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| Topic: King: I Have a Dream. Barry: I Have a Drone. | |
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the numbers dying have not changed, regardless of the method of delivery,,,thats my point Which is trivial.
the outrage over those deaths because they are from 'drones', the insistence on making it unique to this administration, when those types of deaths have been occurring for DECADES around the world You either care about every single child's life or you dont. The primary reason those children die in drone strikes is because the militants use them as human shields. They no longer meet in military training camps. They deliberately go to family residences in order to protect themselves from air strikes. As it is, the drones usually watch and wait until there's a distance between the desired target and their protection. That's why collateral damage from drones is going down. It's hard to care about every single child when the targets absolutely don't. |
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50,000 people? Big deal. The fact about weapon-carrying drones is that they work. It used to be, in the early days of the Afghanistan conflict that Taliban were training hundreds of fighters in dozens of camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Then came the drones and now you'd be hard pressed to find more than a handful of guys, and even then, only at night in somebody's back yard in deep Pakistan. Again, they work, and 50,000 electronic "signatures" are about 5% of a Drudge Report mailing list. They're probably just pissed that Obama is actually effective. Where is this proof that cluster bombing is effective in eliminating alleged terrorists? Where is the declaration of war that allows cluster bombing in a sovereign country? How does one know he is cluster bombing Muslims and not a few Christians gathering for Bible Study? How many kids and other innocents are killed during these illegal cluster bomb runs? How many Qurans were harmed in those cluster bombings would be the most important question?   
Since when did drones start using cluster bombs? You need to check/cite your sources on that. |
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the numbers dying have not changed, regardless of the method of delivery,,,thats my point Which is trivial.
the outrage over those deaths because they are from 'drones', the insistence on making it unique to this administration, when those types of deaths have been occurring for DECADES around the world You either care about every single child's life or you dont. The primary reason those children die in drone strikes is because the militants use them as human shields. They no longer meet in military training camps. They deliberately go to family residences in order to protect themselves from air strikes. As it is, the drones usually watch and wait until there's a distance between the desired target and their protection. That's why collateral damage from drones is going down. It's hard to care about every single child when the targets absolutely don't. |
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The primary reason those children die in drone strikes is because the militants use them as human shields. Propaganda. That come off of Hussein.com?
Prove the Drones aren't armed wit cluster bombs. What artillery do they carry? |
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the numbers dying have not changed, regardless of the method of delivery,,,thats my point Which is trivial.
the outrage over those deaths because they are from 'drones', the insistence on making it unique to this administration, when those types of deaths have been occurring for DECADES around the world You either care about every single child's life or you dont. It's hard to care about every single child when the targets absolutely don't. Are you speaking for yourself or for all liberals? |
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Edited by
Mortman
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Fri 01/18/13 11:54 AM
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The primary reason those children die in drone strikes is because the militants use them as human shields. Propaganda. That come off of Hussein.com?
Prove the Drones aren't armed wit cluster bombs. What artillery do they carry? OK, willing2. How am I supposed to prove that drones don't employ cluster bombs, when you can't even cite a reliable source that says they do? I'll share something with you, and that is I'm in the US military. Even though I'm not out at the airstrip, arming and refueling the aircraft, It is part of my job to know the capabilities of aircraft in the theater. Drones have a specific mission, and while it's not impossible to load all sorts of rockets and bombs onto a drone, I know it's not done. The available cluster bombs would also push the capability of the drone aircraft. An MQ-9 Reaper, specially made for carrying/using rockets & bombs still has a pretty low limit to what it can carry. It would likely only be able to carry one cluster bomb, and at altitude in Afghanistan/Pakistan, that would be a stretch. The MQ-1 Predator has a payload of less than 500 lbs and couldn't carry a single cluster bomb. For a targeted attack from a drone, the ordinance of choice is a missile, with a relatively small warhead. A Hellfire missile is roughly 100 lbs. Cluster bombs go from 1000 lbs & up. Now, while you're calling me a liar, maybe you can share with us what you've got. How do you know the US deploys cluster bombs dropped from drone aircraft? |
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The primary reason those children die in drone strikes is because the militants use them as human shields. Propaganda. That come off of Hussein.com?
Prove the Drones aren't armed wit cluster bombs. What artillery do they carry? OK, willing2. How am I supposed to prove that drones don't employ cluster bombs, when you can't even cite a reliable source that says they do? I'll share something with you, and that is I'm in the US military. Even though I'm not out at the airstrip, arming and refueling the aircraft, It is part of my job to know the capabilities of aircraft in the theater. Drones have a specific mission, and while it's not impossible to load all sorts of rockets and bombs onto a drone, I know it's not done. The available cluster bombs would also push the capability of the drone aircraft. An MQ-9 Reaper, specially made for carrying/using rockets & bombs still has a pretty low limit to what it can carry. It would likely only be able to carry one cluster bomb, and at altitude in Afghanistan/Pakistan, that would be a stretch. The MQ-1 Predator has a payload of less than 500 lbs and couldn't carry a single cluster bomb. For a targeted attack from a drone, the ordinance of choice is a missile, with a relatively small warhead. A Hellfire missile is roughly 100 lbs. Cluster bombs go from 1000 lbs & up. Now, while you're calling me a liar, maybe you can share with us what you've got. How do you know the US deploys cluster bombs dropped from drone aircraft? It's not really about the method or the means, but the use of, which is documented by video if one cares to do a little research. The simple fact is we are dropping ordinance on a country(countries) we call allies, are not at war with, killing innocent civilians and yawn as DC and the press write it off as collateral damage. But they (the DC statists) want to remove our protections under the 2nd amendment for law abiding citizens at home for the actions of a miniscule number of crazies (who are not law abiding, prey on gun free venues) for a small number of actions in zones and under already strict laws which they have created. An intelligent person would call THAT insanity, and move to take away their powers before even thinking of giving up their guns to that power and their insane acts! |
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It's not really about the method or the means, but the use of, which is documented by video if one cares to do a little research. The simple fact is we are dropping ordinance on a country(countries) we call allies, are not at war with, killing innocent civilians and yawn as DC and the press write it off as collateral damage. But they (the DC statists) want to remove our protections under the 2nd amendment for law abiding citizens at home for the actions of a miniscule number of crazies (who are not law abiding, prey on gun free venues) for a small number of actions in zones and under already strict laws which they have created. An intelligent person would call THAT insanity, and move to take away their powers before even thinking of giving up their guns to that power and their insane acts! OK, so you're upset because you don't want any controls on the distribution and use of certain high-powered firearms, because the US military is conducting anti-insurgency operations in Afghanistan and Pakistan where seemingly innocent people die? You think that the government has no business protecting American lives because they deploy military forces to kill an enemy to our national allies? It can't stand that Taliban militants can use their weapons and then stand next to/behind their wives and get away with it. You might be right that the Afghanistan conflict is a horrible thing and the US should just get out of there. However, trying to make it alright for Americans to abuse their gun rights and then bemoan government regulation isn't the same thing. Nobody's going to come take your guns. Gun registration is not so bad, and I'm not sure why you have to hold gun rights so sacred. Is your little world going to collapse if you can't use 30-round mags in your AR-15? |
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It's not really about the method or the means, but the use of, which is documented by video if one cares to do a little research. The simple fact is we are dropping ordinance on a country(countries) we call allies, are not at war with, killing innocent civilians and yawn as DC and the press write it off as collateral damage. But they (the DC statists) want to remove our protections under the 2nd amendment for law abiding citizens at home for the actions of a miniscule number of crazies (who are not law abiding, prey on gun free venues) for a small number of actions in zones and under already strict laws which they have created. An intelligent person would call THAT insanity, and move to take away their powers before even thinking of giving up their guns to that power and their insane acts! OK, so you're upset because you don't want any controls on the distribution and use of certain high-powered firearms, because the US military is conducting anti-insurgency operations in Afghanistan and Pakistan where seemingly innocent people die? You think that the government has no business protecting American lives because they deploy military forces to kill an enemy to our national allies? It can't stand that Taliban militants can use their weapons and then stand next to/behind their wives and get away with it. You might be right that the Afghanistan conflict is a horrible thing and the US should just get out of there. However, trying to make it alright for Americans to abuse their gun rights and then bemoan government regulation isn't the same thing. Nobody's going to come take your guns. Gun registration is not so bad, and I'm not sure why you have to hold gun rights so sacred. Is your little world going to collapse if you can't use 30-round mags in your AR-15? Gunregistration is not so bad? Holy Crap! Read History before making such ludicrous statements! What High-Powered Firearms? Another Sham of the Gungrabbers,as if a Joule or two mattered! Damn you all got conditioned by the MSM-"Experts"! |
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Now, asking for proof we are at war with Pakistan is calling someone a liar.
Barry has dropped plenty of cluster bombs on alleged terrorists and killing anyone close to them. Google it. The claim the unsuspecting, again, alleged terrorists, are constantly surrounded by kids is a joke. They must be terrorists if'n Hussein says dey is, no?
Alleged terrorists don't know when a bomb will drop out of the sky. I suppose, to be constantly surrounded by kids is their best bet. 
What is the difference between a murderous tragedy and collateral damage?
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What is the difference between a murderous tragedy and collateral damage? I'd say the difference is between the points of view of moral human beings and the immoral ones commanding the drones. |
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I will ask the liberal Drone murder supporters.
If given the joystick and told to take out a live target even though you know kids are playing near them, would you create collateral damage? Would you kill him/her/them? |
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I will ask the liberal Drone murder supporters. If given the joystick and told to take out a live target even though you know kids are playing near them, would you create collateral damage? Would you kill him/her/them? Don't be too hard on them; (As they used to say at Nuremberg) "Vee vass only vollowing ordersz!" |
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Now, asking for proof we are at war with Pakistan is calling someone a liar.
Barry has dropped plenty of cluster bombs on alleged terrorists and killing anyone close to them. Google it. The claim the unsuspecting, again, alleged terrorists, are constantly surrounded by kids is a joke. They must be terrorists if'n Hussein says dey is, no?
Alleged terrorists don't know when a bomb will drop out of the sky. I suppose, to be constantly surrounded by kids is their best bet.
What is the difference between a murderous tragedy and collateral damage?
the same difference as is between suicide, accidental death, manslaughter , and murder INTENT |
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Now, asking for proof we are at war with Pakistan is calling someone a liar.
Barry has dropped plenty of cluster bombs on alleged terrorists and killing anyone close to them. Google it. The claim the unsuspecting, again, alleged terrorists, are constantly surrounded by kids is a joke. They must be terrorists if'n Hussein says dey is, no?
Alleged terrorists don't know when a bomb will drop out of the sky. I suppose, to be constantly surrounded by kids is their best bet.
What is the difference between a murderous tragedy and collateral damage?
how many of those terrorists (labeled so before OBAMA ever took office) heads have been eliminated ? how many lives have been saved from their elimination? how many others have been deterred? isnt that the whole premise behind supporting the death penalty in america?,,,the lives that are saved and the criminals that get deterred? its a necessary evil in a situation where there is no longer a choice to save all life, but only to save as many as possible as I said before, if most MILITARY officials are charged with deciding between the lives of the few or the lives of the many,, they will choose the few its also why we dont negotiate with terrorists,,, there are all types of situations where there is not a chance that a perfect time will arise that puts no innocent life at risk |
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Edited by
JustDukkyMkII
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Sat 01/19/13 10:01 AM
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Now, asking for proof we are at war with Pakistan is calling someone a liar.
Barry has dropped plenty of cluster bombs on alleged terrorists and killing anyone close to them. Google it. The claim the unsuspecting, again, alleged terrorists, are constantly surrounded by kids is a joke. They must be terrorists if'n Hussein says dey is, no?
Alleged terrorists don't know when a bomb will drop out of the sky. I suppose, to be constantly surrounded by kids is their best bet.
What is the difference between a murderous tragedy and collateral damage?
the same difference as is between suicide, accidental death, manslaughter , and murder INTENT Damaging a building upon hitting a legitimate target is collateral damage. Targeting someone in an undeclared war of aggression is murder and the deaths of any innocents nearby isn't collateral damage; it is at its best, gross negligence causing death and in itself tantamount to murder. Any way you slice it, for the drone strikes alone, Obama is a murderer committing crimes against humanity. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 01/19/13 10:08 AM
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Now, asking for proof we are at war with Pakistan is calling someone a liar.
Barry has dropped plenty of cluster bombs on alleged terrorists and killing anyone close to them. Google it. The claim the unsuspecting, again, alleged terrorists, are constantly surrounded by kids is a joke. They must be terrorists if'n Hussein says dey is, no?
Alleged terrorists don't know when a bomb will drop out of the sky. I suppose, to be constantly surrounded by kids is their best bet.
What is the difference between a murderous tragedy and collateral damage?
the same difference as is between suicide, accidental death, manslaughter , and murder INTENT Damaging a building upon hitting a legitimate target is collateral damage. Targeting someone in an undeclared war of aggression is murder and the deaths of any innocents nearby isn't collateral damage; it is at its best, gross negligence causing death and in itself tantamount to murder. Any way you slice it, for the drone strikes alone, Obama is a murderer committing crimes against humanity. well, times evolve in 'wars' many more people die than do with targeted strikes, and more young peoples (soldiers) lives are risked,,,let alone the damage done to the infrastructure of those countries in which 'wars' take place what is the difference then, between the dozen innocent children who die when there is a targeted strike and the thousands who die during 'wars'?? ,,,how many DIDNT die,,,,,thats the difference |
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what is the difference then, between the dozen innocent children who die when there is a targeted strike and the thousands who die during 'wars'?? The difference is the difference between combat and murder. What assurance is there that the policy of drone strikes won't PROVOKE a major war against the murdering aggressor country (the US)?? |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 01/19/13 10:23 AM
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what is the difference then, between the dozen innocent children who die when there is a targeted strike and the thousands who die during 'wars'?? The difference is the difference between combat and murder. What assurance is there that the policy of drone strikes won't PROVOKE a major war against the murdering aggressor country (the US)?? no more assurance than there is that our 'war' policies wont provoke war against the US but, the DETERRENTS are the same, for people with either rationale for war against the US,,,,so its irrelevant |
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