I hate gun or anything can be used as a deadly weapon. The only weapon I used is my hand gun. You know, with the index finger and the thumb cocked back.

One of the things often forgotten in the debate about the Second Amendment created with the founding of our government is the rational behind it. Some think that it was to protect the citizens from an abusive government, others that guns were a necessity to life in the 18th century, and both of those are partially true.

What seems to be forgotten is that our nation was not based up on the Greek Democracy of the city states, but the Roman Republic (before the Julian Era). It is where the concept of "majority vote" originates, also the concept of a peaceful transition of a president (originally the Pro Consul of Rome was voted upon on a yearly basis, and one could not serve consecutive terms). What was also considered, and often overlooked by the casual observer, was that Rome of that time had a "citizen army."

Now we call ours that because it is an all volunteer army, but it isn't the same. One of the main reasons that the downfall of Rome occurred is that the army eventually became a professional army. The citizens eventually became disarmed, allowing invaders from foriegn powers to run over the entirety of the Italian peninsula. The professional army became a drain on the treasury as well, causing massive inflation, a devaluation of the currency, and was so spread out that it was unable to defend the wide stretches of the borders.

What the founders knew, was that a standing army would eventually have the ability to destroy our nation. That the cost of such an army would eventually outweigh our ability to tax our people, much as what happened to the Romans. In order to combat this, they had the foresight to see that we should live as when the Roman Empire was at it's highest strength, when the citizenry, armed with weapons which they provided themselves, defended their own nation from foriegn aggressors and went home when the war was over. The Department of the Navy was originally outside the realm of the department of War for one main reason - that the trade of our goods and services on the high seas was important to the success of our nation - which is why it should still be supported today.

Now while we are all decrying the abhorrent actions of a handful of evil men showing the worst side of human nature, we must tread carefully. We claim we don't need to have weapons in the hands of our citizens, that these same citizens are not capable of the responsibility of owning such things, and that the need to have them is no longer applicable. When the Roman Empire started to fall, the military, being the only armed groups within the borders abused their powers, fought long wars against each other within the Empire, subverted the powers of the Senate, and usurped the power of the Pro Consul becoming Emperor instead. We like to blindly believe that this could never happen again, but any student of history will tell you it has happened, not long ago, and could easily happen again.

Now I'm sure that some hardliners on both the left and the right would think and say that I'm just paranoid. Actually, I'm not. I'm not calling for anything, nor setting an agenda in this writing. What I am doing is pointing out the concepts of the founding of our country, and the history behind the ideas of a group of great men who actually did have to pay for our freedom with the blood of their families. The problem with modern Americans is that we have become entitled, not just on government handouts, but with the notion that all of our freedom is free. That the debt is paid. It's not like that, it is actually like your phone bill, you have to pay it on a regular basis, however, like the days of old, the price is still the same.

If it's fully automatic it's illegal.

Just tell me one thing that gov't has put its hand on that actually works even remotely as it is supposed to, or does what it is supposed to, and perhaps an argument that favors their involvement might be considered!

Shortly after the Constitution was sent to the people for ratification, anti-federalists warned that the Constitution would make the federal government too strong in relation to the people. Not so, replied the Federalists. Tench Coxe — an ally of James Madison and Alexander Hamilton who would later serve in the Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and Madison administrations — explained:

"The power of the sword, say the minority..., is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for The powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of Americans. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments but where, I trust in God, it will always remain, in the hands of the people."

The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

How do you solve any problem? First understanding why it happened.

For things such as this, that is not easy, it takes understanding a person who by normal standards is not understandable. Most of us would exclaim that we cannot understand such behavior. So asking what it takes to understand such behavior is the first step.

That first step has not happened, you have to engage in problem solving, that is not happening here. Right here what we have is political sound bytes being tossed around and nothing more.

It is hard to understand what caused such behavior, its much easier and politically advantageous to go after guns.

As they are doing this people have bought up a three year supply of ammo for these guns they dont want you to have. AR-15 or something like that.

There is a simple solution.....

Leave our guns and our constitutional right to them alone and we'll talk. Don't, and the problem is of your making, not ours!

In my area we believe in gun control.... see for yourself

http://www.iwillnotbeavictim.com/?source=adwords

It was suggested that more gun handling education is needed... I think the individuals knew EXACTLY how to use their weapons... So yea, let's keep talking and trying to figure out what was going on in the killers head at the time... case by case, we should have it figured out in... ummm ermmm NEVER!

Ok so... Registered, legal, responsible gun owner don't want to hand in their weapons? I see No prob if the weapon is handled right and out of reach of anyone else. So why are these responsible gun owners not taking a solid stand against illegal acquisition of firearms? "They" above everyone else should be fighting hard to keep em out of the wrong hands.

Your weapons are falling into the wrong hands, what you gonna do about it Bushido?

Mainly because they own these weapons by right of their constitutional privilege, and a ban by gov't is a blanket that affects all, not just the few.

It's not regulation or even laws, it's the "bans" violating peoples rights to purchase or own them or their accessories that is the problem!

Are YOU on "THE LIST"? -- If so, be thankful.

http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/if-you-are-on-this-list-you-may-be-in-grave-danger/29204/

yeah, thats proof that the gun advocate cares about the safety of citizens,,,,

hoorah for that idiot,,,

How much do you want to bet that his neighbour ran out and bought a gun right away to make him take down that sign?

Even now we are already less free than we were just 20-30 years ago


which 'we' are you talking about

nearly a half century ago , I know a WE, who were much less free ,,,,

I dont see the evil in people that others here do apparently, I see those evil people as the exception and not the rule

regardless of profession

politicians have family, children who will have children who have to live here,,,there are five hundred some individuals that run the government (congress and president), and I just dont envision anytime soon that all five hundred, (or even a majority) will make it a goal to take away 'freedoms' from their children and grandhchildren,,,

first, police and soldiers are TRAINED With their weapons because they are in positions where they are outnumbered by known DANGEROUS individuals

second, cigarettes are regulated in what they can and cant contain, and who they can be sold to (in terms of age restrictions)

my feelings dont outrule the majority, Im not a dictator

and a democracy:

a: government by the people; especially: rule of the majority


has to consider the MASSES and not just my feelings or yours,,,
its no reason that people should be forced to decide between enjoying a public place at unnecessary risk to their health or 'avoiding' it

public places are for the whole public, and there are plenty of PRIVATE spaces for people to do things that are harmful if thats their choice,,,

many laws are based upon the culture and the majority, like they have always been

whats 'just' to you may not be to someone else,,,

depending upon the crime rate in that area, if its someone who doesnt like guns, I doubt this scared them into it

it wouldnt me

of course, many criminals are undereducated, and they may be scared off by signs 'claiming' someone is armed or not,,,who knows

Im just doubting it


because someone is my neighbor doesnt mean they have a CLUE about what I may or may not have in my home

now if they post a sign about whether THEY are carrying,, that might be something to consider(although if thats all it takes, we can get rid of the guns and just start making more signs,,,lol)

There is nothing wrong with a good bluff, but it's always preferable to be holding the upper hand, just in case you're "called."

actually only works if your hands are squeeky clean!

what good is all that Police-Training if they arrive after you're dead?
Police is reactionary!
Can only react to a Crime,not stand around,because one might happen!
Of the Citizens who are trained and proficient with their Firearms you won't hear about,because they make all those arguments by the anti-Gunners Null and Void!
They are a reproach to all those hyped up arguments!