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http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/cgc-criminals-for-gun-control-t5293.html *THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE*™ Richard Davidson: It's not easy in my line of work, a lot of "job sights" I am scared to go to because of NRA stickers on the cars out side. It really can make life difficult for me, I have cocaine, hookers, and other things that I need to spend money on and now I can't even afford your basic beer on my tiny welfare check. I need more opportunities out there and as long as people can just go buy guns I'm just up **** creek in a lot of aspects of my life style. Barbara Witswerth: I don't like guns, People have no idea what it's like to lose sleep over worry of some guy with a Tea Party shirt and a Assault rifle crawling in my kids room at night through a window. Did you know that Abraham Lincoln was killed with a gun? That's all they do is serve as a tool to destroy lives. Another problem with them is they cause war, if guns didn't exist there would be no war and nothing left but peace and love, and that's why I don't allow them in my home! Joe "The R***st" Kenjerski: I keep hearing that more and more women are getting concealed weapon permits. Pepper spray is the lesser of the two evils in my opinion. But as long as these concealed weapons are allowed on the street, it makes my hobby very risky. I hear that in Canada hand guns are illegal period. I've been considering vacationing up there for eleven months of the year. Leroy Calvison: It's true, the more guns that are out there in the hands of people, the harder it is to make money for me. People can't comprehend what it's like going into a situation not knowing for sure if I can get out of it okay or not. I think it is completely stupid that I have to risk getting hurt on the job! 
How about, at birth, every babies trigger finger is cut off. They could call it circumtriggercision. That should fix it. cruel and unusual I think common sense regulation is more 'reasonable' Just what is your definition of "common sense regulation" being that both my parents used guns (my dad a hunting rifle and my mom a small handgun for personal safety as a senior citizen) Id say that would be a preposterous idea whether ID want a paranoid security guard or bigot walking around with an UZI however,, is a different matter |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Wed 12/26/12 07:54 AM
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So do you think that Adam Lanza would have not been able to steal the key to the trigger lock?
Just wondering what facts compel you to believe this? He stole the guns, why would a key have been more difficult? Also you have to realize your asking for the government to harm all of the people who will never commit such an atrocity, but forget to lock up guns not in use. So all of that harm weighed again the HOPE that Adam Lanza would have not had the wherewithal to steal a key . . . Dumb. |
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http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/cgc-criminals-for-gun-control-t5293.html *THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE*™ Richard Davidson: It's not easy in my line of work, a lot of "job sights" I am scared to go to because of NRA stickers on the cars out side. It really can make life difficult for me, I have cocaine, hookers, and other things that I need to spend money on and now I can't even afford your basic beer on my tiny welfare check. I need more opportunities out there and as long as people can just go buy guns I'm just up **** creek in a lot of aspects of my life style. Barbara Witswerth: I don't like guns, People have no idea what it's like to lose sleep over worry of some guy with a Tea Party shirt and a Assault rifle crawling in my kids room at night through a window. Did you know that Abraham Lincoln was killed with a gun? That's all they do is serve as a tool to destroy lives. Another problem with them is they cause war, if guns didn't exist there would be no war and nothing left but peace and love, and that's why I don't allow them in my home! Joe "The R***st" Kenjerski: I keep hearing that more and more women are getting concealed weapon permits. Pepper spray is the lesser of the two evils in my opinion. But as long as these concealed weapons are allowed on the street, it makes my hobby very risky. I hear that in Canada hand guns are illegal period. I've been considering vacationing up there for eleven months of the year. Leroy Calvison: It's true, the more guns that are out there in the hands of people, the harder it is to make money for me. People can't comprehend what it's like going into a situation not knowing for sure if I can get out of it okay or not. I think it is completely stupid that I have to risk getting hurt on the job!
How about, at birth, every babies trigger finger is cut off. They could call it circumtriggercision. That should fix it. cruel and unusual I think common sense regulation is more 'reasonable' Just what is your definition of "common sense regulation" being that both my parents used guns (my dad a hunting rifle and my mom a small handgun for personal safety as a senior citizen) Id say that would be a preposterous idea whether ID want a paranoid security guard or bigot walking around with an UZI however,, is a different matter You won't see a Bigot Security Guard walk around with an UZI! The UZI commonly referred to is a Military Weapon,and whatever Civilian Applications of them,are useless for a Bigot Security Guard! |
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http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/cgc-criminals-for-gun-control-t5293.html *THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE*™ Richard Davidson: It's not easy in my line of work, a lot of "job sights" I am scared to go to because of NRA stickers on the cars out side. It really can make life difficult for me, I have cocaine, hookers, and other things that I need to spend money on and now I can't even afford your basic beer on my tiny welfare check. I need more opportunities out there and as long as people can just go buy guns I'm just up **** creek in a lot of aspects of my life style. Barbara Witswerth: I don't like guns, People have no idea what it's like to lose sleep over worry of some guy with a Tea Party shirt and a Assault rifle crawling in my kids room at night through a window. Did you know that Abraham Lincoln was killed with a gun? That's all they do is serve as a tool to destroy lives. Another problem with them is they cause war, if guns didn't exist there would be no war and nothing left but peace and love, and that's why I don't allow them in my home! Joe "The R***st" Kenjerski: I keep hearing that more and more women are getting concealed weapon permits. Pepper spray is the lesser of the two evils in my opinion. But as long as these concealed weapons are allowed on the street, it makes my hobby very risky. I hear that in Canada hand guns are illegal period. I've been considering vacationing up there for eleven months of the year. Leroy Calvison: It's true, the more guns that are out there in the hands of people, the harder it is to make money for me. People can't comprehend what it's like going into a situation not knowing for sure if I can get out of it okay or not. I think it is completely stupid that I have to risk getting hurt on the job!
How about, at birth, every babies trigger finger is cut off. They could call it circumtriggercision. That should fix it. cruel and unusual I think common sense regulation is more 'reasonable' Just what is your definition of "common sense regulation" being that both my parents used guns (my dad a hunting rifle and my mom a small handgun for personal safety as a senior citizen) Id say that would be a preposterous idea whether ID want a paranoid security guard or bigot walking around with an UZI however,, is a different matter You won't see a Bigot Security Guard walk around with an UZI! The UZI commonly referred to is a Military Weapon,and whatever Civilian Applications of them,are useless for a Bigot Security Guard! whats erroneous about it? cause I havent seen it doesnt mean it cant happen isnt the age old reply that criminals can get guns, still true if the criminal happens to have found employment in the security industry? thats not the kind of 'freedom' Im anxious to see where guns are concerned,,, |
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I want to see the studies that link gun control laws with a reduction in total violent crime.
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I want to see the studies that link gun control laws with a reduction in total violent crime. I wouldnt. Ive been the victim of violent crime, and I am living to have a family of my own and talk about it. Id like to see the links between gun control laws and MASS deaths, or homicides. I know every other western country has far fewer of both of those. |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Wed 12/26/12 08:40 AM
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I want to see the studies that link gun control laws with a reduction in total violent crime. I wouldnt. Ive been the victim of violent crime, and I am living to have a family of my own and talk about it. Id like to see the links between gun control laws and MASS deaths, or homicides. I know every other western country has far fewer of both of those. Good studies will show the confidence of the relationship being examined. Without that all you have is correlation, and we know that does not mean causation. The UK's violent crime rates have increased despite sticker laws. Facts like these illustrate that simplistic responses such as we see out of politicians are not causally connected to the problems. The same kind of simplistic response that was put forward in the OP. Look at no facts, care not at all for if these same ideas have had any impact, lets just throw darts at the problem and hope something sticks! Dumb |
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I want to see the studies that link gun control laws with a reduction in total violent crime. I wouldnt. Ive been the victim of violent crime, and I am living to have a family of my own and talk about it. Id like to see the links between gun control laws and MASS deaths, or homicides. I know every other western country has far fewer of both of those. Good studies will show the confidence of the relationship being examined. Without that all you have is correlation, and we know that does not mean causation. The UK's violent crime rates have increased despite sticker laws. Facts like these illustrate that simplistic responses such as we see out of politicians are not causally connected to the problems. so, why see the studies? are there studies that prove anything CAUSAL when it comes to violence? arent there several factors that contribute to the broad category of 'violence'? if there are places with fewere guns and less violent crime, it may not be causal and likewise if there are places with more guns and less violent crime, it many not be causal either ,,,but if I have an eight ounze pie, the most I can eat is eight ounces if I have a 32 ounce pie, the potential for me to eat more than eight ounces greatly increases I still may only eat four ounces though, if thats all I want,,and neither simple fact would be able to prove a cause for how much I ate similarly with gun violence, but certainly more guns naturally means a greater POTENTIAL for more gun violence,,,,even if it cant be proven that it will always RESULT in more 'violence' |
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,,,but if I have an eight ounze pie, the most I can eat is eight ounces
So after I explain how simplistic solutions to complex problems do nothing to help, you offer this simplistic set of logic to prove what point?
if I have a 32 ounce pie, the potential for me to eat more than eight ounces greatly increases I still may only eat four ounces though, if thats all I want,,and neither simple fact would be able to prove a cause for how much I ate similarly with gun violence, but certainly more guns naturally means a greater POTENTIAL for more gun violence,,,,even if it cant be proven that it will always RESULT in more 'violence' |
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,,,but if I have an eight ounze pie, the most I can eat is eight ounces
So after I explain how simplistic solutions to complex problems do nothing to help, you offer this simplistic set of logic to prove what point?
if I have a 32 ounce pie, the potential for me to eat more than eight ounces greatly increases I still may only eat four ounces though, if thats all I want,,and neither simple fact would be able to prove a cause for how much I ate similarly with gun violence, but certainly more guns naturally means a greater POTENTIAL for more gun violence,,,,even if it cant be proven that it will always RESULT in more 'violence' sorry, not everyone is a calc or statistics wizard, but simple numbers are as true as complex numbers math is math my point is, there isnt going to be a 'study' that adequately proves either side of the debate is right,,,so why ask to see it for any study supporting one side, you can be sure some 'study' will support the other as well |
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,,,but if I have an eight ounze pie, the most I can eat is eight ounces
So after I explain how simplistic solutions to complex problems do nothing to help, you offer this simplistic set of logic to prove what point?
if I have a 32 ounce pie, the potential for me to eat more than eight ounces greatly increases I still may only eat four ounces though, if thats all I want,,and neither simple fact would be able to prove a cause for how much I ate similarly with gun violence, but certainly more guns naturally means a greater POTENTIAL for more gun violence,,,,even if it cant be proven that it will always RESULT in more 'violence' sorry, not everyone is a calc or statistics wizard, but simple numbers are as true as complex numbers math is math my point is, there isnt going to be a 'study' that adequately proves either side of the debate is right,,,so why ask to see it for any study supporting one side, you can be sure some 'study' will support the other as well Silly me. |
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,,,but if I have an eight ounze pie, the most I can eat is eight ounces
So after I explain how simplistic solutions to complex problems do nothing to help, you offer this simplistic set of logic to prove what point?
if I have a 32 ounce pie, the potential for me to eat more than eight ounces greatly increases I still may only eat four ounces though, if thats all I want,,and neither simple fact would be able to prove a cause for how much I ate similarly with gun violence, but certainly more guns naturally means a greater POTENTIAL for more gun violence,,,,even if it cant be proven that it will always RESULT in more 'violence' sorry, not everyone is a calc or statistics wizard, but simple numbers are as true as complex numbers math is math my point is, there isnt going to be a 'study' that adequately proves either side of the debate is right,,,so why ask to see it for any study supporting one side, you can be sure some 'study' will support the other as well Silly me. yes, very silly actually 'informing our decisions' has not been mentioned until this post what I stated was 'studies' wont prove either side of the debate, especially since 'studies' show correlations on each side of the debate is conflicting information a way that helps 'inform' our decisions? |
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No one that knows anything claims that studies prove a person right or wrong on some vague set of notions . . . . . They answer specific questions within strict error bars.
Questions like, do gun locks reduce the incidents of negligent discharge by minors? Questions like, has an increase in gun control laws had any impact on the incidence of overall violence. If you cannot answer these kinds of questions you cannot know if what you are proposing is going to have any positive impact. But you know all of this, and are just fighting dirty by ignoring the obvious. |
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Studies are bent to whatever angle the researcher wants, take 'em in stride.
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Im not fighting dirty at all
IM aware that someone proposed a potential start to doing SOMETHING and others immediately poo poo it without offering any solutions themself thats the stuff that makes me interject,, nothing 'dirty' about it I guess next time I will simply ask what suggestions others have, though I dont have much faith many will have any answer,,, |
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Studies are bent to whatever angle the researcher wants, take 'em in stride. Nope, cant get off that easy, good study or bad study you learn something. You either learn that the methods used were bad, and fix them, or learn your answer to your question. Heck often you even learn new questions to ask. |
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Edited by
alleoops
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Wed 12/26/12 09:38 AM
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Well, what about chainsaw studies? Have you heard of any chainsaw massacres lately? |
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Well, what about chainsaw studies? Have you heard of any chainsaw massacres lately? lol, that actualy takes a bit more effort than pulling a trigger, and takes a little longer to accomplish,,,,,before people have the chance to retreat |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Wed 12/26/12 09:41 AM
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Well, what about chainsaw studies? Have you heard of any chainsaw massacres lately? http://research.archives.gov/description/558500 Again, studies answer specific questions. Despite you trying to be funny, this was a good point. We had questions we wanted answered so we gathered data and were able to reach well founded conclusions. One of President Obama's advisers was on NPR the other day and was very honest that the "Assault" weapons ban had no measurable difference on the incidence of gun violence, but that we should re-institute it anyways because it will make us feel safer. |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Wed 12/26/12 10:16 AM
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I posted a thread about banning cars which have a higher death rate than guns. Some said they felt cars were a useful tool while guns were not.... in the eyes of the beholder... objective opinion.
So I pose another... 195,000 medical malpractice suits from wrongful death at the hands of hospitals and doctors each year. The list goes on! NOTHING is safe and it will never be safe no matter how many laws or regulations are on the books. All laws do is base a precedent to "judge" by after the fact! You can never legislate human emotion or the human element to an equation, no matter how hard you try! You can only restict ones liberty to self governance... changing NOTHING! |
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