Topic: 15 States have filed to secede from US
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Tue 11/13/12 02:43 PM




Over 60% of registered voters DIDN'T vote because they didn't like either candidate offered and figured a 3rd party didn't stand a chance.

Wouldn't you think that might have a little something to do with this issue?

huh I'd like to know the source of that alleged statistic.


The source? They call me.

in other words... and endless barrage of telephone polls.

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Tue 11/13/12 04:39 PM
Edited by CeriseRose on Tue 11/13/12 04:46 PM

so the states who didnt get their way want to take their ball and leave the playground?

interesting

hope the door doesnt split them,,,,,,,,,


msharmony, I doubt these petitions were drawn up soley on election results...

but...

I can't believe YOU would taunt these signers

because of their decision to not remain a part of the system...

since YOU were one of those who said YOU would leave the country

(risking a door splitting and all)

if Romney won election.




Just saying...whoa





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Tue 11/13/12 06:20 PM
Since they can't have the land they sit on, I hope the president addresses those who signed the petitions with a peaceful option to denounce their citizenship and move out of the country peacefully.

They don't own their states, the US does.

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Tue 11/13/12 06:26 PM
It is a shame that Russell Means died, he was a good man and actually could have done well with a separate LaKota Nation

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Tue 11/13/12 08:18 PM


so the states who didnt get their way want to take their ball and leave the playground?

interesting

hope the door doesnt split them,,,,,,,,,


msharmony, I doubt these petitions were drawn up soley on election results...

but...

I can't believe YOU would taunt these signers

because of their decision to not remain a part of the system...

since YOU were one of those who said YOU would leave the country

(risking a door splitting and all)

if Romney won election.




Just saying...whoa







Oops! :tongue:


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Tue 11/13/12 11:12 PM


so the states who didnt get their way want to take their ball and leave the playground?

interesting

hope the door doesnt split them,,,,,,,,,


msharmony, I doubt these petitions were drawn up soley on election results...

but...

I can't believe YOU would taunt these signers

because of their decision to not remain a part of the system...

since YOU were one of those who said YOU would leave the country

(risking a door splitting and all)

if Romney won election.




Just saying...whoa







and I would leave , because obviously a majority would want something that i didnt want

I woulndt throw a hissy fit and try to take my whole state with me because I didnt like the election results,,,

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Tue 11/13/12 11:14 PM



so the states who didnt get their way want to take their ball and leave the playground?

interesting

hope the door doesnt split them,,,,,,,,,


msharmony, I doubt these petitions were drawn up soley on election results...

but...

I can't believe YOU would taunt these signers

because of their decision to not remain a part of the system...

since YOU were one of those who said YOU would leave the country

(risking a door splitting and all)

if Romney won election.




Just saying...whoa







and I would leave , because obviously a majority would want something that i didnt want

I also would leave because the CANDIDATE was threatening to shut off support to alot of womens issues and poverty issues which I think would set a terrible trend across the nation of a seperatism I dont wish to live through,,,,



I woulndt throw a hissy fit and try to take my whole state with me because I didnt like the election results,,,

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Wed 11/14/12 04:19 AM
I'll sign the Texas petition.
Us and the other States who want a United States can hook up and tax all ya'll ferigners to pass through and over.

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Wed 11/14/12 05:38 AM
As a native Texan I've always heard we had the right to secede as a sovereign state prior to joining the U.S.

If I can wait a day for the weather to change, I can wait 4 years for the president to change. Most of us have patience.

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Wed 11/14/12 05:44 AM

As a native Texan I've always heard we had the right to secede as a sovereign state prior to joining the U.S.

If I can wait a day for the weather to change, I can wait 4 years for the president to change. Most of us have patience.



thats good to hear,, in the age of instant gratification, lets hope voices like yours win out,,,,



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Wed 11/14/12 05:45 AM


As a native Texan I've always heard we had the right to secede as a sovereign state prior to joining the U.S.

If I can wait a day for the weather to change, I can wait 4 years for the president to change. Most of us have patience.



thats good to hear,, in the age of instant gratification, lets hope voices like yours win out,,,,





Well, I figure I've been waiting every 4 years for a loooonnngg time now, what's another 4 if I don't like the way the election went?

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Wed 11/14/12 05:46 AM



As a native Texan I've always heard we had the right to secede as a sovereign state prior to joining the U.S.

If I can wait a day for the weather to change, I can wait 4 years for the president to change. Most of us have patience.



thats good to hear,, in the age of instant gratification, lets hope voices like yours win out,,,,





Well, I figure I've been waiting every 4 years for a loooonnngg time now, what's another 4 if I don't like the way the election went?



I know what you mean, we survived eight years of Bush and Reagan,, certainly things are not much worse,, in my opinion....

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Wed 11/14/12 05:51 AM
Actually I am talking back to Kennedy days...


oops oops I aged myself!

msharmony's photo
Wed 11/14/12 05:56 AM

Actually I am talking back to Kennedy days...


oops oops I aged myself!



haaaaa,,,,,we all have our favorite eras,,,,no probs

oldhippie1952's photo
Wed 11/14/12 06:01 AM


Actually I am talking back to Kennedy days...


oops oops I aged myself!



haaaaa,,,,,we all have our favorite eras,,,,no probs


There were bad parts of it too. I remember them hosing civil rights marchers so it wasn't all that good.

Hehehe, maybe they should hose all the petition signers? laugh

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Wed 11/14/12 06:05 AM



Actually I am talking back to Kennedy days...


oops oops I aged myself!



haaaaa,,,,,we all have our favorite eras,,,,no probs


There were bad parts of it too. I remember them hosing civil rights marchers so it wasn't all that good.

Hehehe, maybe they should hose all the petition signers? laugh



lol,,,thats terrible

I just think people are impulsive and dont think things through very far

with our education where its at, Im just doubting most of the states involved have the people to step up and actually form their own nation and all thats involved in that,,,,

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Wed 11/14/12 06:09 AM
Well the land belongs to the USA so they didn't think much at all, unless they are buying an island somewhere, and then what is the purpose of the petition.

I think it is just a bunch of noise and don't pay attention too much to it. Unless some looney tunes with guns try to take over.

The problem is one party is tooo conservative and the other is tooo liberal. What happened to moderates who would blend ideas from both parties? That is what we need, imo.

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Wed 11/14/12 07:17 AM
Gee, I'm surprised I have to explain this. No state is going to secede.

Texas maintained the right to secede with it's treaty to be annexed by the US. It also has the right to break itself up into as many as five states which would add eight probably conservative senators to the US senate and change the complexion of congress.

The federal bureaucrats and elected officials largely rule by fear. They fear not getting away with some or all the crap they have done to ruin the stability (translate that as future) of the US in the form of socialism, debt, and undefended borders.

Texas is a fiercely conservative state except in Austin and the inner cities. It has a balanced budget by constitution. It sees unbelievable amounts of money leaving the state in the form of taxes and only a fraction being returned. It sees it's citizens being burdened by an unbelievable amount of debt than can never be repaid and the money it represents being squandered to pay freeloaders, political cronies, Pakistan, Egypt and others who do not have our interests at heart.

The PRIMARY DUTY of the federal government is to protect the borders of the US from invasion which is and has been occurring by illegals pouring across the borders. The big lie that the US government wants the public to believe is that almost all these illegals are peaceful hard working wanna be citizens who are just out for a better life. The reality is that an unknown but large amount of these people are unwanted in their own communities and seek better prey in the US. Estimates of ten percent of illegals are drug runners, human traffickers, pimps, murderers, rapists (very high percentage), petty thiefs, wanna be gang members, anchor moms, relatives of anchor moms, and just plain old leeches who want on the US socialism system. The statistics show that approximately half of all illegals are on some form of government assistance. This scum has overpowered Texas's welfare, police, prisons, and support systems. Attempts by the Texas government to lawfully force the US government to do it's job have been blocked by the Obama administration.

ANY idea that the secede movement is about race is just stupid.

Texas residents sometimes have to suffer a little to maintain a balanced budget but realize, in the long run, debt is a killer. We watch what the Federal government is doing knowing it can (and always has) cause the failure of a nation.

Any organized petition to the Federal Government has a multiplier applied to it. If you write a Senator and say, "I support global warming", for example, the staff will assume that one out of ten thousand will write a letter about global warming and and report to the senator what the "trends" are. (If you are not aware of how powerful writing your congressman is, look it up.)

The petitions to secede have a multiplier of some sort applied to it and the result will be compared to what percentage of votes it represents and the possibilities that that percentage could change an election. Actions will be taken based on that "FEAR". Obama has not feared votes from Texas because he never had any chance of winning the state anyway. However, the petitions carry enough publicity and could sway enough voters, especially if they continue to grow, for ideas to spread across America (as they are) that the status quo is not OK in Washington, and the movement towards socialism, unrestrained immigration and collapse by debt cannot be tolerated by a high percentage of citizens.

There actually is a way around the two party system in this case.

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Wed 11/14/12 09:52 AM
Let them peacefully denounce their citizenship and move the hell out of the Union they don't like. They can't have the land, it all belongs to the fed.

If you want proof of that let your land be needed by the fed for something and see how fast you lose it.

They can't have the land they sit on. So secession is basically rescinding their citizenship, that is all.

I wouldn't fight it. Let em lose their citizenship. If someone doesn't want you, you let em go, right?

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Wed 11/14/12 10:00 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Wed 11/14/12 10:08 AM
As of this morning, 9 states secession petitions have officially met the requirements to initiate a response from President Obama.

The states include:
Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Missouri

Many other states are close to meeting the 25,000 signature threshold.

From Ben Swann and reality check....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fegDJuLqo0&feature=youtu.be

According to ABC News the White House is preparing to make a statement:

"Every petition that crosses the threshold is reviewed and receives a response," a White House official said when asked about the secession petitions. "As a rule, we don't comment on the substance of those responses until we've issued them to the petitioners."

Dec 7th is the deadline for petitions