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So, is God real? Which god are we talking about? What moves you to believe so?
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I remember a friend saying that if me and my now ex don't make it, nobody can. I feel I let her down cause we didn't make it. Where is "god" in all this? I'm not sure anymore. Forgive me for doubting....
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do you believe in free will?
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do you believe in free will? I understand what you're getting at but understand I'm a bit pissed at the moment. Maybe this is payback for my forefathers or something but I don't feel I deserve the fate I've been handed. But God works in mysterious ways so I'm told.... |
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do you believe in free will? I understand what you're getting at but understand I'm a bit pissed at the moment. Maybe this is payback for my forefathers or something but I don't feel I deserve the fate I've been handed. But God works in mysterious ways so I'm told.... Styk is correct. What does God have to do specifically with two people not making it? We do have free will, we act, behave, ect the way we wish to. Not programmed, not "controlled" or anything by God. How is this some form of punishment, as in how could it be? Did your ex tell you God said that you two weren't to be together? If not, it is solely between you and your now ex. |
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God is as real as you want him to be. I see all the miracles of the universe and I ask "How can there not be a God?"
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It is by revelation that people experience who God is. Some bravely go through life believing despite any definite interaction with God. I wanted God not to exist, but when you have had many supernatural signs & wonders happen like I have had, you believe
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By the way, I am talking about the God of the bible. Yes, God works in mysterious ways. His agendas though are always motivated by pure love. The pure of heart shall see God. It is lifes greatest endeavour & pleasure to know Him.
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It is by revelation that people experience who God is. Some bravely go through life believing despite any definite interaction with God. I wanted God not to exist, but when you have had many supernatural signs & wonders happen like I have had, you believe I know what you mean. Too much has happened in my life to not believe that something is behind the scenes pulling the strings but sometimes I ponder the nature of it. God is love it's said, but I wonder sometimes... |
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So, is God real? Which god are we talking about? What moves you to believe so? In the mind of the believer he/she/it/they are real. |
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Free will surely is but not if you are religious because you believe in control of a higher source. So you might say you believe in free will but with any type of control of a higher source there is no free will. So it is hypocrisy.
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Free will surely is but not if you are religious because you believe in control of a higher source. So you might say you believe in free will but with any type of control of a higher source there is no free will. So it is hypocrisy. Incorrect. "Free will" doesn't mean you are to do anything and everything or that you should. Only that you have the ability. Even with there being a God, if people choose not to believe and or not to be obedient they can very well murder, rape, steal, ect, using their free will. Free will means we are not robots, not puppets. We obey and or disobey out of our choice. Actually, boiled down to the bottom, free will is basically choice. |
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Free will is always an interesting topic. Calvin and various other Determinists in all religions said it doesn't exist. I like to think there is free will, but it could be that everything we experience is just an illusion. The debate will rage until the end of time, I suspect.
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Free will is always an interesting topic. Calvin and various other Determinists in all religions said it doesn't exist. I like to think there is free will, but it could be that everything we experience is just an illusion. The debate will rage until the end of time, I suspect. Even if everything we experience is an allusion, free will would still exist. Did someone force you to type that message out? Did someone even force you to come to this site? Or did you choose to come here and post that on your own will? You posted it on your own will... I hope lol. But yeah, that's as simple as it gets of what free will is or isn't. |
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Free will is always an interesting topic. Calvin and various other Determinists in all religions said it doesn't exist. I like to think there is free will, but it could be that everything we experience is just an illusion. The debate will rage until the end of time, I suspect. Even if everything we experience is an allusion, free will would still exist. Did someone force you to type that message out? Did someone even force you to come to this site? Or did you choose to come here and post that on your own will? You posted it on your own will... I hope lol. But yeah, that's as simple as it gets of what free will is or isn't. And when I say "forced" you to do those things. I mean literally forced you to, you had absolutely no control over what you were doing. Are you like a puppet that you only do what another being forces you to do literally? Or again, do you choose what you do. To an extent, of course their are certain things we have to do or die. But nevertheless there is a choice there to do them or not. With all choices and or actions, there is a reaction. |
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Free will? Not really I believe for some. Those who are chosen to be priests & ministers (or of the fivefold ministries) of the Most High are miserable till they obey. Take a look at Jonahs life. Running from God is not an option. He wins every time.
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Edited by
forrestlove
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Sun 10/21/12 07:55 PM
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No... God is not real
Also, don't understand this "Free Choice". That is, GOD does not want robots. Hence, we have free choice. Yet, in reality there is no free choice. Free means to give or receive something without an expectation of return. I you hold a gun to your head and say " you have free will to not give me your wallet, but if you attempt to defy me I will kill yo. Does it really feel as if you have a choice in the matter. How can you possible deem something free when you MUST fear consequences such as hell for choosing not to believe fairy tales? Furthermore, if GOD is real. Then he is 100% evil. After all, he created satan knowing very well he would tempt Adam & Eve. He is the ultimate evil for he created it. So, GOD IS THE CREATOR OF ALL EVIL. Hence, why is HE bitching about sin when he created it in the first place? Ohh yeah, he wanted a perfect loving companion named Adam. Well, guess GOD is not perfect for he made many human errors... Umm.. hmm.. guess going to start over with a flood for man really goofed up in my eyes... despite the fact I designed him that way.. So, all this B.S. is simply B.S. written by man to control man via a GOD that man created... it's just B.S. |
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No... God is not real Blunt and to the point. I admire that but what is your reasoning? |
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Okay, this will be a long topic.. Jesh, so will start from the beginning of creation:
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25 Stating that God created Evil. So, he created Satan (Evil) knowing very well he would tempt mankind to sin, and then punished man for sinning despite designing us to be human curious nature. Then the bible conflicts itself saying GOD is not evil? God is not the author of evil 1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13 And furthermore, what about GOD's evil morals which he clearly approved in Numbers 31? A very large tribe of people, including the elderly and children are slaughtered. The only survivors were the virginal women, who were later raped by the “just and perfect” Moses and his men. Is that what you want your children reading on Sunday? 15 And Moses said unto them: 'Have ye saved all the women alive? 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. The excuse for this was that all those evil deeds in the Old Testament was superseded in the New Testament by Jesus the newer nicer GOD..... Cough... LOL.... Cough.... God is the same Yesterday, Today, and Forever... Cough... LOl....cough... Ohh yeah, so GOD didn't want robots... that is another comeback.. That he wanted us to have free will to choose him, and only on that condition will he not send us to hell or as he did in the past kick us out of Eden which was a heaven to Adam and Eve. Any rate, so when we get to heaven will there be another tree of good/evil for us to screw up getting kicked out again? It's all crap to me. By the way, FREE WILL / CHOICE / NO ROBOTS: Free means to give or receive something with out an expectation of return. If I were to hold a gun to your head and say “you have free will to not give me your wallet, but if you attempt to defy me I will kill you.” Does it really feel as if you have a free choice in the matter? How can you possibly deem something free when you must fear consequences? |
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Okay, this will be a long topic.. Jesh, so will start from the beginning of creation:
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25 Stating that God created Evil. So, he created Satan (Evil) knowing very well he would tempt mankind to sin, and then punished man for sinning despite designing us to be human curious nature. Then the bible conflicts itself saying GOD is not evil? God is not the author of evil 1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13 And furthermore, what about GOD's evil morals which he clearly approved in Numbers 31? A very large tribe of people, including the elderly and children are slaughtered. The only survivors were the virginal women, who were later raped by the “just and perfect” Moses and his men. Is that what you want your children reading on Sunday? 15 And Moses said unto them: 'Have ye saved all the women alive? 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. The excuse for this was that all those evil deeds in the Old Testament was superseded in the New Testament by Jesus the newer nicer GOD..... Cough... LOL.... Cough.... God is the same Yesterday, Today, and Forever... Cough... LOl....cough... Ohh yeah, so GOD didn't want robots... that is another comeback.. That he wanted us to have free will to choose him, and only on that condition will he not send us to hell or as he did in the past kick us out of Eden which was a heaven to Adam and Eve. Any rate, so when we get to heaven will there be another tree of good/evil for us to screw up getting kicked out again? It's all crap to me. By the way, FREE WILL / CHOICE / NO ROBOTS: Free means to give or receive something with out an expectation of return. If I were to hold a gun to your head and say “you have free will to not give me your wallet, but if you attempt to defy me I will kill you.” Does it really feel as if you have a free choice in the matter? How can you possibly deem something free when you must fear consequences? |
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