Topic: Israel Encourages Settler Violence
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Fri 10/19/12 02:45 PM
Settler violence is terrorism.

Israel has always used violence to gain more Palestinian Land.

Like Ireland, The Palestinians Day will come.

Resistance is not illegal, it is a right.drinker

State Terrorism is a crime.

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Fri 10/19/12 02:47 PM
Don't you love rhetoric? 'Relocated' becomes 'Ethnically Cleansed'.



When you say "relocated", don't you mean... shoved in refugee camps?

Below: Jabalia refugee camp






http://www.juancole.com/2009/01/bombing-refugee-camps-in-gaza-instead.html

Bombing Refugee Camps in Gaza Instead of Paying the Refugees Reparations

Posted on 01/02/2009 by Juan
The news keeps reporting that the Israeli air force bombed refugee camps in Gaza.

Did you ever wonder how those refugee camps got to be in Gaza? Cont’d . . .

I mean, where are they refugees from? There didn’t used to be refugees in Gaza, before 1948, after all. The grandparents of today’s refugees were living in their own homes, which their ancestors had lived in for centuries if not millennia.

After Germany created Jewish refugees in WW II, it was made to pay reparations to the victims, right?

Israel hasn’t paid a dime to any of the Palestinian families it expelled in 1948, [pdf] which is itself a violation of international law.


Palestinian refugees created by Israeli military actions, 1948.

Update: Israel continued to bomb Gaza on day 7 of blitz. The airstrikes continued Friday morning.

Israel has killed 37 children and 17 women since it began its bombardment last Saturday. About a fourth of the over 400 persons killed are estimated to be obviously civilians because they were children or women; the proportion of the civilians killed is likely actually higher because a lot of the men are probably noncombatants, too. Likewise, large numbers of the over 2000 Gazans wounded have been innocent civilians.

Gazans are facing starvation and death, according to UN humanitarian chief John Holmes. The power plant has been knocked out, making it impossible for the hospitals properly to treat the over 2000 wounded in the airstrikes, or indeed, for patients needing oxygen & etc. to get it. Hospitals have resorted to generators, but they run on fuel, which is in short supply and many Gazans are without electricity. Some 20,000 a day are not getting the UN wheat rations and other foodstuffs on which they rely, given that Israel long ago destroyed their economy. That is, there is real and increasing hunger in Gaza, 50% of the population of which is children.

Tzipi Livni said the purpose of the operation was to weaken Hamas.

Wasn’t that the purpose of all those assassinations carried out by Ariel Sharon in 2003-2004? Didn’t they assassinate Sheikh Yasin and Rantisi & etc. then? Did Hamas disappear? If Livni and Ehub Barak think that aerial bombardment is the right way to deal with a group like Hamas in a place like Gaza, they are just as out of touch with reality as George W. Bush.


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Fri 10/19/12 02:50 PM
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Fri 10/19/12 03:00 PM

Don't you love rhetoric? 'Relocated' becomes 'Ethnically Cleansed'.



When you say "relocated", don't you mean... shoved in refugee camps?


The rhetoric continues.... laugh

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Fri 10/19/12 03:10 PM
Zionism reversed Jewish historical passivity to persecution and asserted the Jewish right to self-determination and independent survival. This is why anti-Zionists see it as a perversion of Jewish humanism. Zionism entails the difficulty of dealing with sometimes impossible moral dilemmas, which traditional Jewish passivity in the wake of historical persecution had never faced. By negating Zionism, the anti-semite is arguing that the Jew must always be the victim, for victims do no wrong and deserve our sympathy and support.

Israel errs like all other nations: it is normal. What anti-Zionists find so obscene is that Israel is neither martyr nor saint. Their outrage refuses legitimacy to a people's national liberation movement. Israel's stubborn refusal to comply with the invitation to commit national suicide and thereby regain a supposedly lost moral ground draws condemnation. Jews now have the right to self-determination, and that is what the anti-semite dislikes so much.

Emanuele Ottolenghi is the Leone Ginzburg Fellow in Israel Studies at the Oxford Centre for Hebrew and Jewish Studies and the Middle East Centre at St Antony's College, Oxford


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/29/comment


So, this raises the question, 'Why single out Israel and hold it up repeatedly as a Pariah among the international community?' The answer is, of course, anti-Semitism, for no other nation is subject to such scrutiny. Israel is not infallible, but nor is any other nation, many whose human rights record makes Israel's pale into insignificance, but they are not hated and villified like Israel.

Before this turns into the usual argument regarding 'rights' to the land that is now immaterial as the nation exists, and as such, has the right to exist as any other nation.

Somehow, everything our culture reviles is attributed indirectly, or directly, to Israel or the Jewish people. That says more about our values than it does about Israel and the Jewish people.


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Fri 10/19/12 03:19 PM

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Fri 10/19/12 03:28 PM

Zionism reversed Jewish historical passivity to persecution and asserted the Jewish right to self-determination and independent survival. This is why anti-Zionists see it as a perversion of Jewish humanism. Zionism entails the difficulty of dealing with sometimes impossible moral dilemmas, which traditional Jewish passivity in the wake of historical persecution had never faced. By negating Zionism, the anti-semite is arguing that the Jew must always be the victim, for victims do no wrong and deserve our sympathy and support.

Israel errs like all other nations: it is normal. What anti-Zionists find so obscene is that Israel is neither martyr nor saint. Their outrage refuses legitimacy to a people's national liberation movement. Israel's stubborn refusal to comply with the invitation to commit national suicide and thereby regain a supposedly lost moral ground draws condemnation. Jews now have the right to self-determination, and that is what the anti-semite dislikes so much.

Emanuele Ottolenghi is the Leone Ginzburg Fellow in Israel Studies at the Oxford Centre for Hebrew and Jewish Studies and the Middle East Centre at St Antony's College, Oxford


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/29/comment


So, this raises the question, 'Why single out Israel and hold it up repeatedly as a Pariah among the international community?' The answer is, of course, anti-Semitism, for no other nation is subject to such scrutiny. Israel is not infallible, but nor is any other nation, many whose human rights record makes Israel's pale into insignificance, but they are not hated and villified like Israel.

Before this turns into the usual argument regarding 'rights' to the land that is now immaterial as the nation exists, and as such, has the right to exist as any other nation.

Somehow, everything our culture reviles is attributed indirectly, or directly, to Israel or the Jewish people. That says more about our values than it does about Israel and the Jewish people.



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Fri 10/19/12 03:34 PM
Last March, the London Guardian headlined “Israel ‘turning blind eye’ to West Bank settlers’ attacks on Palestinians,” saying:
Settlers conduct “systematic and expanding campaign of violence against Palestinian farmers, families and children with the Israeli authorities turning a blind eye, according to confidential reports from senior European Union officials.”


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Fri 10/19/12 03:37 PM
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Fri 10/19/12 03:37 PM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Fri 10/19/12 03:43 PM

Last March, the London Guardian headlined “Israel ‘turning blind eye’ to West Bank settlers’ attacks on Palestinians,” saying:
Settlers conduct “systematic and expanding campaign of violence against Palestinian farmers, families and children with the Israeli authorities turning a blind eye, according to confidential reports from senior European Union officials.”


Da Gardian!

:laughing:

Really useful to line the bottom of the Parrotcage with!laugh

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Sat 10/20/12 12:29 AM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Sat 10/20/12 12:30 AM


Last March, the London Guardian headlined “Israel ‘turning blind eye’ to West Bank settlers’ attacks on Palestinians,” saying:
Settlers conduct “systematic and expanding campaign of violence against Palestinian farmers, families and children with the Israeli authorities turning a blind eye, according to confidential reports from senior European Union officials.”


Da Gardian!

:laughing:

Really useful to line the bottom of the Parrotcage with!laugh


Das Guardian? :smile:

Don't you love it? Russia Today, The Guardian & Presstv-the bottom of the journalistic barrel. They must miss 'News of the World'.

laugh

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 10/20/12 12:37 AM

Settler violence is terrorism.

Israel has always used violence to gain more Palestinian Land.

Like Ireland, The Palestinians Day will come.

Resistance is not illegal, it is a right.drinker

State Terrorism is a crime.
except,that neither of you have proven your Case!

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Sat 10/20/12 12:38 AM



Last March, the London Guardian headlined “Israel ‘turning blind eye’ to West Bank settlers’ attacks on Palestinians,” saying:
Settlers conduct “systematic and expanding campaign of violence against Palestinian farmers, families and children with the Israeli authorities turning a blind eye, according to confidential reports from senior European Union officials.”


Da Gardian!

:laughing:

Really useful to line the bottom of the Parrotcage with!laugh


Das Guardian? :smile:

Don't you love it? Russia Today, The Guardian & Presstv-the bottom of the journalistic barrel. They must miss 'News of the World'.

laugh
NY-Times will soon be at that Level!laugh

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Sat 10/20/12 12:45 AM




Last March, the London Guardian headlined “Israel ‘turning blind eye’ to West Bank settlers’ attacks on Palestinians,” saying:
Settlers conduct “systematic and expanding campaign of violence against Palestinian farmers, families and children with the Israeli authorities turning a blind eye, according to confidential reports from senior European Union officials.”


Da Gardian!

:laughing:

Really useful to line the bottom of the Parrotcage with!laugh


Das Guardian? :smile:

Don't you love it? Russia Today, The Guardian & Presstv-the bottom of the journalistic barrel. They must miss 'News of the World'.

laugh
NY-Times will soon be at that Level!laugh


It looks that way recently.

This thread seems to be turning into the usual slogans and rants by a certain participant.

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Sat 10/20/12 12:56 AM





Last March, the London Guardian headlined “Israel ‘turning blind eye’ to West Bank settlers’ attacks on Palestinians,” saying:
Settlers conduct “systematic and expanding campaign of violence against Palestinian farmers, families and children with the Israeli authorities turning a blind eye, according to confidential reports from senior European Union officials.”


Da Gardian!

:laughing:

Really useful to line the bottom of the Parrotcage with!laugh


Das Guardian? :smile:

Don't you love it? Russia Today, The Guardian & Presstv-the bottom of the journalistic barrel. They must miss 'News of the World'.

laugh
NY-Times will soon be at that Level!laugh


It looks that way recently.

This thread seems to be turning into the usual slogans and rants by a certain participant.
Yep!

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Sat 10/20/12 08:55 PM


drinker

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Sun 10/21/12 07:05 AM



drinker
so,you believe you have the Evidence to go into a Cort of Law to prove that the Israel Government advises the Settlers to do violence against the Palestinian Arabs?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0Wiz1elwHU

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Sun 10/21/12 12:30 PM




drinker
so,you believe you have the Evidence to go into a Cort of Law to prove that the Israel Government advises the Settlers to do violence against the Palestinian Arabs?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0Wiz1elwHU
When settlers go unpunished Mr Conrad and the Israeli authorities look the other way what do you call it?


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Sun 10/21/12 01:01 PM





drinker
so,you believe you have the Evidence to go into a Cort of Law to prove that the Israel Government advises the Settlers to do violence against the Palestinian Arabs?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0Wiz1elwHU
When settlers go unpunished Mr Conrad and the Israeli authorities look the other way what do you call it?


that is exactly what you have failed to prove!Actually both things you have failed to prove!

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Sun 10/21/12 01:02 PM

OK, we get it you dislike Israel with an irrational hatred.
Just like Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Islamic Jihad and Neo-Nazis.
Congratulations!!!

drinker :banana: laugh

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/337858