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The NATO organization is North Atlantic Treaty Organization, a Intergovernmental military alliance, the USA is the leader of NATO which comprise of The USA, France, Britain, Germany, Belguim, and several others. As for the rest I will say, nothing beats doing ones own research. The post by Jeanniebean are as acurate as it gets. Again, the USA is recognized by the United Nations as the unofficial leader of the NATO Alliance form in 1949. Id love to be of more assistance, but id hate for anyone to think im making anything up. As a former leatherneck I have first had knowledge of the Iraqi war. May I suggest researching it yourself, this way you will get first hand knowledge of whats made up and whats fact. I don't need you to explain NATO to me, just break down the vote and provide proof of your allegations or stop making them...That's the nature of debate....Gotta back up your chit.... Not here Sweetie, you just rant and rave and blame the Jews and the US for everything without proving squat. 
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The NATO organization is North Atlantic Treaty Organization, a Intergovernmental military alliance, the USA is the leader of NATO which comprise of The USA, France, Britain, Germany, Belguim, and several others. As for the rest I will say, nothing beats doing ones own research. The post by Jeanniebean are as acurate as it gets. Again, the USA is recognized by the United Nations as the unofficial leader of the NATO Alliance form in 1949. Id love to be of more assistance, but id hate for anyone to think im making anything up. As a former leatherneck I have first had knowledge of the Iraqi war. May I suggest researching it yourself, this way you will get first hand knowledge of whats made up and whats fact. I don't need you to explain NATO to me, just break down the vote and provide proof of your allegations or stop making them...That's the nature of debate....Gotta back up your chit.... Not here Sweetie, you just rant and rave and blame the Jews and the US for everything without proving squat.
Next week I am having my house painted red, white, and blue in protest! 
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The NATO organization is North Atlantic Treaty Organization, a Intergovernmental military alliance, the USA is the leader of NATO which comprise of The USA, France, Britain, Germany, Belguim, and several others. As for the rest I will say, nothing beats doing ones own research. The post by Jeanniebean are as acurate as it gets. Again, the USA is recognized by the United Nations as the unofficial leader of the NATO Alliance form in 1949. Id love to be of more assistance, but id hate for anyone to think im making anything up. As a former leatherneck I have first had knowledge of the Iraqi war. May I suggest researching it yourself, this way you will get first hand knowledge of whats made up and whats fact. I don't need you to explain NATO to me, just break down the vote and provide proof of your allegations or stop making them...That's the nature of debate....Gotta back up your chit.... Not here Sweetie, you just rant and rave and blame the Jews and the US for everything without proving squat.
Next week I am having my house painted red, white, and blue in protest!
God, you're cute!  Sorry Alle!
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The NATO organization is North Atlantic Treaty Organization, a Intergovernmental military alliance, the USA is the leader of NATO which comprise of The USA, France, Britain, Germany, Belguim, and several others. As for the rest I will say, nothing beats doing ones own research. The post by Jeanniebean are as acurate as it gets. Again, the USA is recognized by the United Nations as the unofficial leader of the NATO Alliance form in 1949. Id love to be of more assistance, but id hate for anyone to think im making anything up. As a former leatherneck I have first had knowledge of the Iraqi war. May I suggest researching it yourself, this way you will get first hand knowledge of whats made up and whats fact. I don't need you to explain NATO to me, just break down the vote and provide proof of your allegations or stop making them...That's the nature of debate....Gotta back up your chit.... Not here Sweetie, you just rant and rave and blame the Jews and the US for everything without proving squat.
Next week I am having my house painted red, white, and blue in protest!
God, you're cute! Sorry Alle!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phWJtOGVazk&feature=relmfu Israeli media says a military strike on Iran could be imminent and could take place in the coming months. Tel Aviv has long threatened to attack, saying international sanctions against the country over its nuclear plans are not enough. But, as Anastasia Churkina reports, an early use of force by Israel could leave Barack Obama red-faced entering this November's presidential race. Israel to attack Iran before US election in November - media report I hadn't noticed this story came from Ya'lltube. 
Squeaking of propaganda. 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phWJtOGVazk&feature=relmfu Israeli media says a military strike on Iran could be imminent and could take place in the coming months. Tel Aviv has long threatened to attack, saying international sanctions against the country over its nuclear plans are not enough. But, as Anastasia Churkina reports, an early use of force by Israel could leave Barack Obama red-faced entering this November's presidential race. Israel to attack Iran before US election in November - media report I hadn't noticed this story came from Ya'lltube.
Squeaking of propaganda.
The University of Google with honours in you tube. 
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Jeanniebean
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US Troops in Iraq talk about Halliburton & KBR Interviews with US troops and Halliburton employees explain what is happening in Iraq. Scene from the documentary Iraq For Sale by Robert Greenwald. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chXjCtkymRQ Did Michael Moore collaborate on this anti American production?... Okay now we have another buzz name to go with "anti-semitic." Now, anyone who critisizes our corrupt money grubbing administration or president and/or his money grubbing Halliburton & KBR corporations who are ripping off the tax payers, get called down for being "anti-American." UNBELIEVABLE. I don't think you understand what is happening here. HALLIBURTON AND KBR are not "America" and they are not "our government." They are private corporations and they are screwing our government and the tax payers out of money. Do you understand that concept? And guess who gets this money? Your corrupt elected officials. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phWJtOGVazk&feature=relmfu Israeli media says a military strike on Iran could be imminent and could take place in the coming months. Tel Aviv has long threatened to attack, saying international sanctions against the country over its nuclear plans are not enough. But, as Anastasia Churkina reports, an early use of force by Israel could leave Barack Obama red-faced entering this November's presidential race. Israel to attack Iran before US election in November - media report I hadn't noticed this story came from Ya'lltube.
Squeaking of propaganda.
Due to the nearly indisputable FACT that our major media is controled by criminal Jews and the Criminal Cabal Banksters (as posted earlier - its indisputable) Youtube becomes one of the alternative ways to get news. Youtube is used by anyone and everyone and you cannot call it propanda as if all of it was controled by a single point of view like the major news media. Youtube is full of stuff from thousands of different points of view. Some of it is true, some of it is absurd, some of it is propaganda. It is inaccurate to lable it "propaganda" just because it is on youtube and or just because it is not under the thumb of a single entity or point of view. That's just predjudice. You are not being logical or reasonable with these kinds of remarks. |
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I challenge anyone to name a major news station that is not Jewish, Cabal, or Elite owned, operated and controlled.
Al-Jazeera, Chinese News Service, Russian News Service, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS - pretty much everyone.
Wrong. ABC, NBC, are Jewish controlled. And I'm talking about American News. Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited Those seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records. |
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How can a fact be 'nearly indisputable'? Either it is a fact, or it isn't.
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Seven Jewish Americans Control Most US Media From John Whitley 11-21-3 From southern France, Christopher Jones summarizes and comments on a report on the assassination of President Kennedy. Need I stress that WAIS censors only direct attacks on other WAISers and grossly improper laguage. Christopher says: "I glanced at the Kennedy assassination site and found this; it fits into our discussion of Hollywood stereotypes and the slavish behavior of the US press after the 9/11 tragedy and in the run up to the invasion of Iraq. In a quick rundown, the website recapitulates an old story that I heard back in the late sixties and early seventies in California: that Kennedy was liquidated by the mafia whose kingpin was Meyer Lansky (pal of Lucky Luciano). In fact, I could add a small tidbit which the author may or may not have covered: that Marilyn Monroe was murdered by the mafia as a warning to her lovers; Bobby and Jack Kennedy. The story of the Corsican hit squad was documented in a TV documentary in Europe. Of course it would be interesting to know more about Auguste Ricord and his collaboration wih the Gestapo and if he had anything to do with our old friend, Mandel Szkolnikoff. "Today, seven Jewish Americans run the vast majority of US television networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing industry, and the recording industry. Most of these industries are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by the following seven individuals: Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited Those seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records. Most of the larger independent newspapers are owned by Jewish interests as well. An example is media mogul is Samuel I. "Si" Newhouse, who owns two dozen daily newspapers from Staten Island to Oregon, plus the Sunday supplement Parade; the Conde Nast collection of magazines, including Vogue, The New Yorker, Vanity Fair, Allure, GQ, and Self; the publishing firms of Random House, Knopf, Crown, and Ballantine, among other imprints; and cable franchises with over one million subscribers." article on rense.com http://rense.com/general44/sevenjewishamericans.htm Before you jump in here and make nasty remarkes about Rense.com, spend some time checking out the information first. This has nothing to do with Iran or anything else. One can just as easily cite 10,000 names of Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist executives of major corporations...
And it would be equally meaningless to this argument.
One has to question why it is that posts here always try to single out Jews for some kind of derision. But it seems to be merely an unhealthy and misguided preoccupation with Jews for no other reason than that they are Jewish. 
You are the one who is preoccupied with Jews and you always bring up the accusation in regards to my links that my news sources I post in these threads should be discredited because of your claim that they are "anti-semitic." Therefore it is you who keep singling out Jews with your paranoid idea that everyone is anti-semitic. Here is the reason, You said: so what?
Rense is an anti-semite Site! so is YouTube! |
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How can a fact be 'nearly indisputable'? Either it is a fact, or it isn't. Because there is always some idiot who will dispute a fact. |
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Are the Jews an invented people? by Eric Rouleau How the Jewish people were invented, from the Bible to Zionism is the provocative title of the most recent book to be published in Israel by Shlomo Sand, a professor at Tel Aviv University (forthcoming in French with Fayard). Sand, one of the “new” historians, attacks what he calls the myth that the Jews are the descendants of the Hebrews, exiled from the kingdom of Judaea. He has attempted to show that the Jews are neither a race nor a nation, but ancient pagans – in the main Berbers from North Africa, Arabs from the south of Arabia, and Turks from the Khazar empire – who converted to Judaism between the fourth and eighth centuries CE. According to Sand, the Palestinians are probably descended from Hebrews who embraced Islam or Christianity. Sand doesn’t challenge Israel’s right to exist or the notion of its sovereignty, but he thinks that sovereignty is undermined by its exclusively ethnic base, which stems from the racism of Zionist ideologues. In other words, Israel shouldn’t be a Jewish state, but a democratic secular one which belongs to all its citizens. Well here is another attack on mingle2 Jews which has nothing at all to do with the thread topic of stopping Iran's nuclear weapons program. I have no clue who mingle2 Jews are and I would not dream of attacking any of them. This post was put there in response to Conrade's remark to me here: Besides,according to you,there ARE NO Jews!
Therefore he is the one who introduced this subject, which is off topic. But I guess there is no real interest in stopping Iran's nuclear weapons development as a topic here. It is more of a general attempt to attack and denigrate Jews and deny their existence or lack of common heritage or the sincerity of their religious beliefs again and again and again. All discussion about "Jews" in this thread has been introduced by people making charges of "anti-semitism" to refer to my link to Rense.com and to a remark that according to me, there are no Jews. As has been demonstrated to you repeatedly, genetic research has shown that Jews from all over the world share common ancestry which is from the middle east - regardless of whether they are Russian Jews or European Jews, American Jews, South American Jews, Asian Jews or Middle Eastern Jews. But instead of accepting the DNA evidence, reference is made here again and again of various antisemitic conspiratorial speculations which have no basis in fact. I have gone into great detail about that subject and it has NOTHING TO DO WITH anything. Jews from all different nations and ethnicities just like Christians or Muslims or Buddhists or Hindus are simply those who follow the religion. Interestingly enough though Jews are a small enough group that their common ancestry can be traced genetically. There are numerous threads here already explaining this...but it seems that it is always ignored in favor of these unjustified and deplorable attacks no matter what the topic is. This thread is NOT about Jews, so why do you continue to talk about Jews? And I don't know why you imagine that you or anyone is being "attacked." If you want to get into the nitty gritty details about the genetic study you keep referring to I can give you a link to the entire full blown report. You probably have not even read it. Even so, it has nothing to do with Israel, or why they think they should have a state simply for Jews. |
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The NATO organization is North Atlantic Treaty Organization, a Intergovernmental military alliance, the USA is the leader of NATO which comprise of The USA, France, Britain, Germany, Belguim, and several others. As for the rest I will say, nothing beats doing ones own research. The post by Jeanniebean are as acurate as it gets. Again, the USA is recognized by the United Nations as the unofficial leader of the NATO Alliance form in 1949. Id love to be of more assistance, but id hate for anyone to think im making anything up. As a former leatherneck I have first had knowledge of the Iraqi war. May I suggest researching it yourself, this way you will get first hand knowledge of whats made up and whats fact. I don't need you to explain NATO to me, just break down the vote and provide proof of your allegations or stop making them...That's the nature of debate....Gotta back up your chit.... Not here Sweetie, you just rant and rave and blame the Jews and the US for everything without proving squat.
Next week I am having my house painted red, white, and blue in protest!
God, you're cute! Sorry Alle!
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s1owhand
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Seven Jewish Americans Control Most US Media From John Whitley 11-21-3 From southern France, Christopher Jones summarizes and comments on a report on the assassination of President Kennedy. Need I stress that WAIS censors only direct attacks on other WAISers and grossly improper laguage. Christopher says: "I glanced at the Kennedy assassination site and found this; it fits into our discussion of Hollywood stereotypes and the slavish behavior of the US press after the 9/11 tragedy and in the run up to the invasion of Iraq. In a quick rundown, the website recapitulates an old story that I heard back in the late sixties and early seventies in California: that Kennedy was liquidated by the mafia whose kingpin was Meyer Lansky (pal of Lucky Luciano). In fact, I could add a small tidbit which the author may or may not have covered: that Marilyn Monroe was murdered by the mafia as a warning to her lovers; Bobby and Jack Kennedy. The story of the Corsican hit squad was documented in a TV documentary in Europe. Of course it would be interesting to know more about Auguste Ricord and his collaboration wih the Gestapo and if he had anything to do with our old friend, Mandel Szkolnikoff. "Today, seven Jewish Americans run the vast majority of US television networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing industry, and the recording industry. Most of these industries are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by the following seven individuals: Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited Those seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records. Most of the larger independent newspapers are owned by Jewish interests as well. An example is media mogul is Samuel I. "Si" Newhouse, who owns two dozen daily newspapers from Staten Island to Oregon, plus the Sunday supplement Parade; the Conde Nast collection of magazines, including Vogue, The New Yorker, Vanity Fair, Allure, GQ, and Self; the publishing firms of Random House, Knopf, Crown, and Ballantine, among other imprints; and cable franchises with over one million subscribers." article on rense.com http://rense.com/general44/sevenjewishamericans.htm Before you jump in here and make nasty remarkes about Rense.com, spend some time checking out the information first. This has nothing to do with Iran or anything else. One can just as easily cite 10,000 names of Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist executives of major corporations...
And it would be equally meaningless to this argument.
One has to question why it is that posts here always try to single out Jews for some kind of derision. But it seems to be merely an unhealthy and misguided preoccupation with Jews for no other reason than that they are Jewish.
Regardless of your opinion on this subject, it is quite clear it is about Israel, not jews. The ethnic jews of the mideast never had a nation-State like modern Israel. They had a kingdom/minor empire for a while, but that was destroyed. The jewish power brokers and bankers the other posters in this and other threads mention are khazars. The Khazars are European in origin and adopted Judaism as a political move. They have no genetic relationship to ethnic jews. The repeated posts about Jewish religious symbols, false Jewish world domination conspiracy theories, Jewish heritage and genetic lines have NOTHING whatsoever to do with the supposed title of the thread which concerns the Iranian nuclear arms development effort.
The "Khazar theory" you speak of is another antisemitic attempt to deny Jewish heritage and has been refuted through the real genetic studies cited above and in numerous other mingle2 threads. The Khazar theory has been widely criticized in academic scholarship and the only big proponents of it are those who are constantly trying to diminish the obvious and documented ties of Jews to Israel. There is no reason to repeatedly post these anti-Jewish and anti-Israel rants except to spread false antisemitic propaganda which is a disgusting thing to see especially after it has been debunked numerous times by various members here on the forums. It's not an "anti-jewish" or "anti-semitic" matter. The word "semite" is not synonymous with "jew" FYI. Numerous peoples in the mideast are semites. I've referred you to the work of a Vanderbuilt scholar, and in this post I give you full scholarly essay with citations and external links. You can ignore these facts if you wish, but the "anti-semite" charge is just a red herring you're throwing around to stifle discussion. Very childish.
It is purely an antisemitic matter!
No serious historian takes the khazar theory seriously. There is no evidence for the khazar theory - there is only a dumb conjecture of Koestler.
Actually, this is what most historians think of it: "This theory is supported by no evidence whatsoever. It has long since been abandoned by all serious scholars in the field, including those in Arab countries, where the Khazar theory is rarely used except in occasional political polemics." -Bernard Lewis (respected scholar of Islamic history)
I am familiar with the Khazar nonsense. It is only used to try to insinuate that the Ashkenazi Jews are somehow less Jewish or less related to Israel. But modern genetic analysis and scholarship shows that this is not the case and that Ashkenazi Jews have the same genetic Middle eastern ancestry as all other Jews. Here is a video explaining it in an introductory way. http://youtu.be/tnIEsf_klCg |
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For some, if it's anti-israel, it's fact.
If it's ant-muslim, it's propaganda. Now, it all makes sense.
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I challenge anyone to name a major news station that is not Jewish, Cabal, or Elite owned, operated and controlled.
Al-Jazeera, Chinese News Service, Russian News Service, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS - pretty much everyone.
Wrong. ABC, NBC, are Jewish controlled. And I'm talking about American News. Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited Those seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records. This has nothing to do with Iran or anything else. One can just as easily cite 10,000 names of Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist executives of major corporations and claim that actually THEY control the media and government!
And it would be equally meaningless with regard to Iran's nuclear weapons underground enrichment program.
One has to question why it is that posts here always try to single out Jews for some kind of derision. But it seems to be merely an unhealthy and misguided preoccupation with Jews for no other reason than that they are Jewish.
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Seven Jewish Americans Control Most US Media From John Whitley 11-21-3 From southern France, Christopher Jones summarizes and comments on a report on the assassination of President Kennedy. Need I stress that WAIS censors only direct attacks on other WAISers and grossly improper laguage. Christopher says: "I glanced at the Kennedy assassination site and found this; it fits into our discussion of Hollywood stereotypes and the slavish behavior of the US press after the 9/11 tragedy and in the run up to the invasion of Iraq. In a quick rundown, the website recapitulates an old story that I heard back in the late sixties and early seventies in California: that Kennedy was liquidated by the mafia whose kingpin was Meyer Lansky (pal of Lucky Luciano). In fact, I could add a small tidbit which the author may or may not have covered: that Marilyn Monroe was murdered by the mafia as a warning to her lovers; Bobby and Jack Kennedy. The story of the Corsican hit squad was documented in a TV documentary in Europe. Of course it would be interesting to know more about Auguste Ricord and his collaboration wih the Gestapo and if he had anything to do with our old friend, Mandel Szkolnikoff. "Today, seven Jewish Americans run the vast majority of US television networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing industry, and the recording industry. Most of these industries are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by the following seven individuals: Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited Those seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records. Most of the larger independent newspapers are owned by Jewish interests as well. An example is media mogul is Samuel I. "Si" Newhouse, who owns two dozen daily newspapers from Staten Island to Oregon, plus the Sunday supplement Parade; the Conde Nast collection of magazines, including Vogue, The New Yorker, Vanity Fair, Allure, GQ, and Self; the publishing firms of Random House, Knopf, Crown, and Ballantine, among other imprints; and cable franchises with over one million subscribers." article on rense.com http://rense.com/general44/sevenjewishamericans.htm Before you jump in here and make nasty remarkes about Rense.com, spend some time checking out the information first. This has nothing to do with Iran or anything else. One can just as easily cite 10,000 names of Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist executives of major corporations...
And it would be equally meaningless to this argument.
One has to question why it is that posts here always try to single out Jews for some kind of derision. But it seems to be merely an unhealthy and misguided preoccupation with Jews for no other reason than that they are Jewish.
Regardless of your opinion on this subject, it is quite clear it is about Israel, not jews. The ethnic jews of the mideast never had a nation-State like modern Israel. They had a kingdom/minor empire for a while, but that was destroyed. The jewish power brokers and bankers the other posters in this and other threads mention are khazars. The Khazars are European in origin and adopted Judaism as a political move. They have no genetic relationship to ethnic jews. The repeated posts about Jewish religious symbols, false Jewish world domination conspiracy theories, Jewish heritage and genetic lines have NOTHING whatsoever to do with the supposed title of the thread which concerns the Iranian nuclear arms development effort.
The "Khazar theory" you speak of is another antisemitic attempt to deny Jewish heritage and has been refuted through the real genetic studies cited above and in numerous other mingle2 threads. The Khazar theory has been widely criticized in academic scholarship and the only big proponents of it are those who are constantly trying to diminish the obvious and documented ties of Jews to Israel. There is no reason to repeatedly post these anti-Jewish and anti-Israel rants except to spread false antisemitic propaganda which is a disgusting thing to see especially after it has been debunked numerous times by various members here on the forums. It's not an "anti-jewish" or "anti-semitic" matter. The word "semite" is not synonymous with "jew" FYI. Numerous peoples in the mideast are semites. I've referred you to the work of a Vanderbuilt scholar, and in this post I give you full scholarly essay with citations and external links. You can ignore these facts if you wish, but the "anti-semite" charge is just a red herring you're throwing around to stifle discussion. Very childish.
It is purely an antisemitic matter!
No serious historian takes the khazar theory seriously. There is no evidence for the khazar theory - there is only a dumb conjecture of Koestler.
Actually, this is what most historians think of it: "This theory is supported by no evidence whatsoever. It has long since been abandoned by all serious scholars in the field, including those in Arab countries, where the Khazar theory is rarely used except in occasional political polemics." -Bernard Lewis (respected scholar of Islamic history)
I am familiar with the Khazar nonsense. It is only used to try to insinuate that the Ashkenazi Jews are somehow less Jewish or less related to Israel. But modern genetic analysis and scholarship shows that this is not the case and that Ashkenazi Jews have the same genetic Middle eastern ancestry as all other Jews. Here is a video explaining it in an introductory way. http://youtu.be/tnIEsf_klCg http://www.khazaria.com/khazar-diaspora.html Are Russian Jews Descended from the Khazars? A Reassessment Based upon the Latest Historical, Archaeological, Linguistic, and Genetic Evidence by Kevin Alan Brook The "traditional" view is that Eastern European Jews descend almost entirely from French and German Jews. This essay presents the pros and cons of the controversial "Khazar theory" of Eastern European Jewish origins and will attempt to provide a likely middle-ground solution to the question. Unlike other treatments of the question, this essay uses recent discoveries, is meant to be objective, and is fully sourced so that you can be guaranteed of the authenticity of the information. In summary, I argue in this essay that Eastern European Jews descend both from Khazarian Jews AND from Israelite Jews. (essay with citations at the link) Did you know the narrator of your video says that ancient Jews did not distinguish between ethnic jews and converts? It totally undercuts your own argument. (the vid is correct in that regard, btw. There is no one "judaism"-some were pagan, some orthodox, etc.-which is why trying to scapegoat "jews" in general is ridiculous and not what I was getting at in this thread) |
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Seven Jewish Americans Control Most US Media From John Whitley 11-21-3 From southern France, Christopher Jones summarizes and comments on a report on the assassination of President Kennedy. Need I stress that WAIS censors only direct attacks on other WAISers and grossly improper laguage. Christopher says: "I glanced at the Kennedy assassination site and found this; it fits into our discussion of Hollywood stereotypes and the slavish behavior of the US press after the 9/11 tragedy and in the run up to the invasion of Iraq. In a quick rundown, the website recapitulates an old story that I heard back in the late sixties and early seventies in California: that Kennedy was liquidated by the mafia whose kingpin was Meyer Lansky (pal of Lucky Luciano). In fact, I could add a small tidbit which the author may or may not have covered: that Marilyn Monroe was murdered by the mafia as a warning to her lovers; Bobby and Jack Kennedy. The story of the Corsican hit squad was documented in a TV documentary in Europe. Of course it would be interesting to know more about Auguste Ricord and his collaboration wih the Gestapo and if he had anything to do with our old friend, Mandel Szkolnikoff. "Today, seven Jewish Americans run the vast majority of US television networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing industry, and the recording industry. Most of these industries are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by the following seven individuals: Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited Those seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records. Most of the larger independent newspapers are owned by Jewish interests as well. An example is media mogul is Samuel I. "Si" Newhouse, who owns two dozen daily newspapers from Staten Island to Oregon, plus the Sunday supplement Parade; the Conde Nast collection of magazines, including Vogue, The New Yorker, Vanity Fair, Allure, GQ, and Self; the publishing firms of Random House, Knopf, Crown, and Ballantine, among other imprints; and cable franchises with over one million subscribers." article on rense.com http://rense.com/general44/sevenjewishamericans.htm Before you jump in here and make nasty remarkes about Rense.com, spend some time checking out the information first. This has nothing to do with Iran or anything else. One can just as easily cite 10,000 names of Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist executives of major corporations...
And it would be equally meaningless to this argument.
One has to question why it is that posts here always try to single out Jews for some kind of derision. But it seems to be merely an unhealthy and misguided preoccupation with Jews for no other reason than that they are Jewish.
Regardless of your opinion on this subject, it is quite clear it is about Israel, not jews. The ethnic jews of the mideast never had a nation-State like modern Israel. They had a kingdom/minor empire for a while, but that was destroyed. The jewish power brokers and bankers the other posters in this and other threads mention are khazars. The Khazars are European in origin and adopted Judaism as a political move. They have no genetic relationship to ethnic jews. The repeated posts about Jewish religious symbols, false Jewish world domination conspiracy theories, Jewish heritage and genetic lines have NOTHING whatsoever to do with the supposed title of the thread which concerns the Iranian nuclear arms development effort.
The "Khazar theory" you speak of is another antisemitic attempt to deny Jewish heritage and has been refuted through the real genetic studies cited above and in numerous other mingle2 threads. The Khazar theory has been widely criticized in academic scholarship and the only big proponents of it are those who are constantly trying to diminish the obvious and documented ties of Jews to Israel. There is no reason to repeatedly post these anti-Jewish and anti-Israel rants except to spread false antisemitic propaganda which is a disgusting thing to see especially after it has been debunked numerous times by various members here on the forums. It's not an "anti-jewish" or "anti-semitic" matter. The word "semite" is not synonymous with "jew" FYI. Numerous peoples in the mideast are semites. I've referred you to the work of a Vanderbuilt scholar, and in this post I give you full scholarly essay with citations and external links. You can ignore these facts if you wish, but the "anti-semite" charge is just a red herring you're throwing around to stifle discussion. Very childish.
It is purely an antisemitic matter!
No serious historian takes the khazar theory seriously. There is no evidence for the khazar theory - there is only a dumb conjecture of Koestler.
Actually, this is what most historians think of it: "This theory is supported by no evidence whatsoever. It has long since been abandoned by all serious scholars in the field, including those in Arab countries, where the Khazar theory is rarely used except in occasional political polemics." -Bernard Lewis (respected scholar of Islamic history)
I am familiar with the Khazar nonsense. It is only used to try to insinuate that the Ashkenazi Jews are somehow less Jewish or less related to Israel. But modern genetic analysis and scholarship shows that this is not the case and that Ashkenazi Jews have the same genetic Middle eastern ancestry as all other Jews. Here is a video explaining it in an introductory way. http://youtu.be/tnIEsf_klCg http://www.khazaria.com/khazar-diaspora.html Are Russian Jews Descended from the Khazars? A Reassessment Based upon the Latest Historical, Archaeological, Linguistic, and Genetic Evidence by Kevin Alan Brook The "traditional" view is that Eastern European Jews descend almost entirely from French and German Jews. This essay presents the pros and cons of the controversial "Khazar theory" of Eastern European Jewish origins and will attempt to provide a likely middle-ground solution to the question. Unlike other treatments of the question, this essay uses recent discoveries, is meant to be objective, and is fully sourced so that you can be guaranteed of the authenticity of the information. In summary, I argue in this essay that Eastern European Jews descend both from Khazarian Jews AND from Israelite Jews. (essay with citations at the link) Did you know the narrator of your video says that ancient Jews did not distinguish between ethnic jews and converts? It totally undercuts your own argument. (the vid is correct in that regard, btw. There is no one "judaism"-some were pagan, some orthodox, etc.-which is why trying to scapegoat "jews" in general is ridiculous and not what I was getting at in this thread)
The reassessment of the Khazar theory is long overdue.
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I am familiar with the Khazar nonsense. It is only used to try to
insinuate that the Ashkenazi Jews are somehow less Jewish or less related to Israel. But modern genetic analysis and scholarship shows that this is not the case and that Ashkenazi Jews have the same genetic Middle eastern ancestry as all other Jews. Actually, according to the "scientific" report you keep siting, only about 50% of the Ashkenazi Jews are of Middle eastern origin. "whereas the other prevalent haplogroups (J2, R1a1, R1b) may be representative of the early European admixture." |
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