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Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's is referring to taxes and things of that nature. Render unto Caesar what is Caesars and render unto God what is God's. Why would Jesus be frightened of the Romans? And what exact evidence do you have of this? Not what kind of speculations do you have, but what kind of actual evidence do you have of this? Did Jesus claim to be? Jesus said Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar because Jesus didn't have any choice in the matter...exactly what could Jesus do about it..Jesus was so frighten of being stone he would agree to anything.....also if you claim that Jesus is God then Caesar even had God paying temple taxes...that makes Caesar Lord God over Jesus |
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Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's is referring to taxes and things of that nature. Render unto Caesar what is Caesars and render unto God what is God's. Why would Jesus be frightened of the Romans? And what exact evidence do you have of this? Not what kind of speculations do you have, but what kind of actual evidence do you have of this? Did Jesus claim to be? Jesus said Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar because Jesus didn't have any choice in the matter...exactly what could Jesus do about it..Jesus was so frighten of being stone he would agree to anything.....also if you claim that Jesus is God then Caesar even had God paying temple taxes...that makes Caesar Lord God over Jesus He also said render unto God what is God's. Again, what evidence do you have that Jesus was frightened and that was the motive behind what he said? What evidence shows that he was frightened? Cause again with the few verses I already posted, Jesus himself has told us not to fear those who can kill the body. So again, what was Jesus afraid of? |
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What are you talking about? Can you provide a statement that I have made that says it's ok to strike your child? And don't do the quote thing, tell me what post number it is that I said the scritpures agree to it being right to physically strike your child. Cowboy...what the Flock do you think we have been debating about for 20 pages...you have claimed that you believe it's ok to strike your child in the name of discipline ...I think you guys call it spanking instead of calling it domestic abuse so now all you have to do is present a law or teaching of Jesus that deem Christian parents striking their child in the name of discipline acceptable can you present a law or not because if not....then the stoning laws God handed down to Moses still apply to Christians Your logic doesn't make sense here. One has nothing to do with another. One covenant doesn't replace the other. One covenant was fulfilled, completed, finished. And God gave us a new covenant. The two have absolutely nothing to do with one another. Some laws in the old covenant couldn't possibly still have power over anyone for again that ENTIRE covenant was fulfilled, completed, finished, finalized. Not one law from the old covenant still applies to this day, unless of course the same law is in the new covenant or similar law for that matter. If it is not in the new covenant, it does not apply to us to this day. And in the new covenant Jesus NEVER told us to stone our children, didn't tell us to stone anyone. That is why I posted those verses on judge not less ye be judged. Regardless if it is a child, stoning someone is a judgement, that's what stoning is. And we are not to judge anyone. When I spoke about spanking a child, I did not make a reference to the scriptures, that was PURELY on my behalf. |
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He also said render unto God what is God's. only your dead body was render unto God...all the rest was render unto Caesar Again, what evidence do you have that Jesus was frightened and that was the motive behind what he said? What evidence shows that he was frightened? Jesus ran from his own people when they were about to Stone him...clearly he wasn't going to preach against taxes and bring the fury of Rome...so the most graceful way out of the situation was to pay Tribute and render unto Caesar...are you sure Jesus is God? ..if so ...then your God was paying Tribute to Caesar Cause again with the few verses I already posted, Jesus himself has told us not to fear those who can kill the body. So again, what was Jesus afraid of? Jesus preached that same stuff to his disciples and you seen how fast those guys ran when the Romans came also Jesus crying to God as to why he has forsaken him only displays that Jesus didn't believe what he himself was preaching about death |
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When I spoke about spanking a child, I did not make a reference to the scriptures, that was PURELY on my behalf. Cowboy...sorry but when it comes to Christians striking children, it has to be in reference to Scripture and the New Covenant ...or why else would you as a Christian be in favor of striking Children The Teachings of Jesus are the way that all Christians have to follow and live by as it supposedly pave a way to God.....so which of these teachings of Jesus are you and those Christian parents that strike their children following? if you can not find any teachings of Jesus that advocate striking Children ....then it comes down to three options 1...Christians parents that strike their children have mental issues 2...Jesus didn't change the laws of stoning children to death 3...Christians that strike children are doing the works of Satan |
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Jesus NEVER told us to stone our children, didn't tell us to stone anyone. but Cowboy.. you said that Jesus was the God in Exodus ...and if you actually believe this, then you must also believe that it was Jesus himself that handed down those laws to Moses to stone unruly children to death are you sure Jesus was the God in Exodus? ..if so..then as usual like clockwork you once again contradicted yourself like I said...you have a contradiction addiction but anyway, Jesus said you have to hate your children to be his disciple, and the Jesus in Exodus said to stone unruly children to death it sure doesn't appear that your savior Jesus like Children very much |
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Jesus NEVER told us to stone our children, didn't tell us to stone anyone. but Cowboy.. you said that Jesus was the God in Exodus ...and if you actually believe this, then you must also believe that it was Jesus himself that handed down those laws to Moses to stone unruly children to death are you sure Jesus was the God in Exodus? ..if so..then as usual like clockwork you once again contradicted yourself like I said...you have a contradiction addiction but anyway, Jesus said you have to hate your children to be his disciple, and the Jesus in Exodus said to stone unruly children to death it sure doesn't appear that your savior Jesus like Children very much like I said...you have a contradiction addiction No just your failed attempts at twisting people's words. LORD God is Jesus, but isn't "Jesus" all at the same time. It is the same being, but two different titles. Jesus is LORD God in the flesh. Before the LORD God became flesh, there was no "Jesus" as again, that is a title/reference to him in the flesh. But I'll give you an A for effort on your failed attempts at trying to give Christianity a bad appearance. |
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When I spoke about spanking a child, I did not make a reference to the scriptures, that was PURELY on my behalf. Cowboy...sorry but when it comes to Christians striking children, it has to be in reference to Scripture and the New Covenant ...or why else would you as a Christian be in favor of striking Children The Teachings of Jesus are the way that all Christians have to follow and live by as it supposedly pave a way to God.....so which of these teachings of Jesus are you and those Christian parents that strike their children following? if you can not find any teachings of Jesus that advocate striking Children ....then it comes down to three options 1...Christians parents that strike their children have mental issues 2...Jesus didn't change the laws of stoning children to death 3...Christians that strike children are doing the works of Satan Incorrect. It's called falling short of the glory of God, making mistakes. And again stoning a child and spanking a child are two totally different things. Again, "stoning" a person/child is a death penalty. Spanking a child is only a temporary teaching method. And why would just because one is a Christian and they spank their child place them having mental issues? A "Christian" isn't magically a different type of existence as other people just because they have accepted Jesus as Lord and Savoir. They are still a person, just as any other person in the world. So again, how would it constitute mental issues? |
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He also said render unto God what is God's. only your dead body was render unto God...all the rest was render unto Caesar Again, what evidence do you have that Jesus was frightened and that was the motive behind what he said? What evidence shows that he was frightened? Jesus ran from his own people when they were about to Stone him...clearly he wasn't going to preach against taxes and bring the fury of Rome...so the most graceful way out of the situation was to pay Tribute and render unto Caesar...are you sure Jesus is God? ..if so ...then your God was paying Tribute to Caesar Cause again with the few verses I already posted, Jesus himself has told us not to fear those who can kill the body. So again, what was Jesus afraid of? Jesus preached that same stuff to his disciples and you seen how fast those guys ran when the Romans came also Jesus crying to God as to why he has forsaken him only displays that Jesus didn't believe what he himself was preaching about death only your dead body was render unto God...all the rest was render unto Caesar Render - to do; perform: Rendering has absolutely nothing with "giving" anything to anyone. It is obedience. That is why it is said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. We are also told to obey man's law... the two are saying the same thing. |
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Jesus NEVER told us to stone our children, didn't tell us to stone anyone. but Cowboy.. you said that Jesus was the God in Exodus ...and if you actually believe this, then you must also believe that it was Jesus himself that handed down those laws to Moses to stone unruly children to death are you sure Jesus was the God in Exodus? ..if so..then as usual like clockwork you once again contradicted yourself like I said...you have a contradiction addiction but anyway, Jesus said you have to hate your children to be his disciple, and the Jesus in Exodus said to stone unruly children to death it sure doesn't appear that your savior Jesus like Children very much like I said...you have a contradiction addiction No just your failed attempts at twisting people's words. LORD God is Jesus, but isn't "Jesus" all at the same time. It is the same being, but two different titles. Jesus is LORD God in the flesh. Before the LORD God became flesh, there was no "Jesus" as again, that is a title/reference to him in the flesh. But I'll give you an A for effort on your failed attempts at trying to give Christianity a bad appearance. Cowboy you said that Jesus was the God in Exodus...so is that true or not if it's true then Jesus is the God that handed down the laws to Moses to stone unruly Children ..he aslo killed all of Pharoah's first born so let's see you play your Trinity Games now is Jesus the God in Exodus....yes or no? |
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Jesus NEVER told us to stone our children, didn't tell us to stone anyone. but Cowboy.. you said that Jesus was the God in Exodus ...and if you actually believe this, then you must also believe that it was Jesus himself that handed down those laws to Moses to stone unruly children to death are you sure Jesus was the God in Exodus? ..if so..then as usual like clockwork you once again contradicted yourself like I said...you have a contradiction addiction but anyway, Jesus said you have to hate your children to be his disciple, and the Jesus in Exodus said to stone unruly children to death it sure doesn't appear that your savior Jesus like Children very much like I said...you have a contradiction addiction No just your failed attempts at twisting people's words. LORD God is Jesus, but isn't "Jesus" all at the same time. It is the same being, but two different titles. Jesus is LORD God in the flesh. Before the LORD God became flesh, there was no "Jesus" as again, that is a title/reference to him in the flesh. But I'll give you an A for effort on your failed attempts at trying to give Christianity a bad appearance. Cowboy you said that Jesus was the God in Exodus...so is that true or not if it's true then Jesus is the God that handed down the laws to Moses to stone unruly Children ..he aslo killed all of Pharoah's first born so let's see you play your Trinity Games now is Jesus the God in Exodus....yes or no? Yes, he is that same God. But two different covenants Funches, two different sets of laws. They are not the same. |
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When I spoke about spanking a child, I did not make a reference to the scriptures, that was PURELY on my behalf. Cowboy...sorry but when it comes to Christians striking children, it has to be in reference to Scripture and the New Covenant ...or why else would you as a Christian be in favor of striking Children The Teachings of Jesus are the way that all Christians have to follow and live by as it supposedly pave a way to God.....so which of these teachings of Jesus are you and those Christian parents that strike their children following? if you can not find any teachings of Jesus that advocate striking Children ....then it comes down to three options 1...Christians parents that strike their children have mental issues 2...Jesus didn't change the laws of stoning children to death 3...Christians that strike children are doing the works of Satan Incorrect. It's called falling short of the glory of God, making mistakes. Cowboy...so you are now admitting that you and Christian parents that strike/spank their children are making mistakes and falling short of the glory of God? through out this entire thread you were claiming that it was ok for Christian parents to spank/strike a child as discipline and now you are claiming spanking/striking children are mistakes and against the glory of God it's amazing how so easily you can be manipulated from your Faith...but this time I had to get you to see the light ,,,can I get a witness? but anyway it would be pretty cool if MsHarmony showed up now since she was also claiming that it's ok for herself as a Christian to strike her children I was wondering where were you guys were getting violence against Children from if not from The Teachings of Jesus.... mental issues perhaps? |
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Render - to do; perform: Rendering has absolutely nothing with "giving" anything to anyone. It is obedience. That is why it is said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. We are also told to obey man's law... the two are saying the same thing. either way you try to spin it, Jesus your God gave obedience and tribute to Caesar .. |
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Yes, he is that same God. But two different covenants Funches, two different sets of laws. They are not the same. Cowboy...so Jesus was the one that gave laws to Moses to stone unruly children to Death ....but didn't you claim that Jesus never told anyone to stone anyone the master of contradiction strikes again but anyway...both can not be true...so which one is a lie? |
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Render - to do; perform: Rendering has absolutely nothing with "giving" anything to anyone. It is obedience. That is why it is said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. We are also told to obey man's law... the two are saying the same thing. either way you try to spin it, Jesus your God gave obedience and tribute to Caesar .. Yes he became obedient to the flesh. |
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When I spoke about spanking a child, I did not make a reference to the scriptures, that was PURELY on my behalf. Cowboy...sorry but when it comes to Christians striking children, it has to be in reference to Scripture and the New Covenant ...or why else would you as a Christian be in favor of striking Children The Teachings of Jesus are the way that all Christians have to follow and live by as it supposedly pave a way to God.....so which of these teachings of Jesus are you and those Christian parents that strike their children following? if you can not find any teachings of Jesus that advocate striking Children ....then it comes down to three options 1...Christians parents that strike their children have mental issues 2...Jesus didn't change the laws of stoning children to death 3...Christians that strike children are doing the works of Satan Incorrect. It's called falling short of the glory of God, making mistakes. Cowboy...so you are now admitting that you and Christian parents that strike/spank their children are making mistakes and falling short of the glory of God? through out this entire thread you were claiming that it was ok for Christian parents to spank/strike a child as discipline and now you are claiming spanking/striking children are mistakes and against the glory of God it's amazing how so easily you can be manipulated from your Faith...but this time I had to get you to see the light ,,,can I get a witness? but anyway it would be pretty cool if MsHarmony showed up now since she was also claiming that it's ok for herself as a Christian to strike her children I was wondering where were you guys were getting violence against Children from if not from The Teachings of Jesus.... mental issues perhaps? No I don't spank my child, I don't have a child. Different kids need different ways of being raised, not every child learns from being whooped, not all kids can be lovingly showed the way without physical punishment. There is no specific information on "spanking" a child. Hebrews 12:6-7 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? Chastise - to inflict punishment on (as by whipping |
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Render - to do; perform: Rendering has absolutely nothing with "giving" anything to anyone. It is obedience. That is why it is said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. We are also told to obey man's law... the two are saying the same thing. either way you try to spin it, Jesus your God gave obedience and tribute to Caesar .. Yes he became obedient to the flesh. and now you understand why Caesar was Lord God |
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Render - to do; perform: Rendering has absolutely nothing with "giving" anything to anyone. It is obedience. That is why it is said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. We are also told to obey man's law... the two are saying the same thing. either way you try to spin it, Jesus your God gave obedience and tribute to Caesar .. Yes he became obedient to the flesh. and now you understand why Caesar was Lord God how does that make Caesar Lord God? |
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When I spoke about spanking a child, I did not make a reference to the scriptures, that was PURELY on my behalf. Cowboy...sorry but when it comes to Christians striking children, it has to be in reference to Scripture and the New Covenant ...or why else would you as a Christian be in favor of striking Children The Teachings of Jesus are the way that all Christians have to follow and live by as it supposedly pave a way to God.....so which of these teachings of Jesus are you and those Christian parents that strike their children following? if you can not find any teachings of Jesus that advocate striking Children ....then it comes down to three options 1...Christians parents that strike their children have mental issues 2...Jesus didn't change the laws of stoning children to death 3...Christians that strike children are doing the works of Satan Incorrect. It's called falling short of the glory of God, making mistakes. Cowboy...so you are now admitting that you and Christian parents that strike/spank their children are making mistakes and falling short of the glory of God? through out this entire thread you were claiming that it was ok for Christian parents to spank/strike a child as discipline and now you are claiming spanking/striking children are mistakes and against the glory of God it's amazing how so easily you can be manipulated from your Faith...but this time I had to get you to see the light ,,,can I get a witness? but anyway it would be pretty cool if MsHarmony showed up now since she was also claiming that it's ok for herself as a Christian to strike her children I was wondering where were you guys were getting violence against Children from if not from The Teachings of Jesus.... mental issues perhaps? No I don't spank my child, I don't have a child. Different kids need different ways of being raised, not every child learns from being whooped, not all kids can be lovingly showed the way without physical punishment. There is no specific information on "spanking" a child. Hebrews 12:6-7 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? Chastise - to inflict punishment on (as by whipping Cowboy...if Jesus supposedly gave new laws then why are you presenting old laws from Hebrews which is from The Old Testament?.... all I can say is BUSTED ..... by you posting Old Laws from Hebrews is an indication that those stoning unruly children laws still exist for you and Christian parents |
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When I spoke about spanking a child, I did not make a reference to the scriptures, that was PURELY on my behalf. Cowboy...sorry but when it comes to Christians striking children, it has to be in reference to Scripture and the New Covenant ...or why else would you as a Christian be in favor of striking Children The Teachings of Jesus are the way that all Christians have to follow and live by as it supposedly pave a way to God.....so which of these teachings of Jesus are you and those Christian parents that strike their children following? if you can not find any teachings of Jesus that advocate striking Children ....then it comes down to three options 1...Christians parents that strike their children have mental issues 2...Jesus didn't change the laws of stoning children to death 3...Christians that strike children are doing the works of Satan Incorrect. It's called falling short of the glory of God, making mistakes. Cowboy...so you are now admitting that you and Christian parents that strike/spank their children are making mistakes and falling short of the glory of God? through out this entire thread you were claiming that it was ok for Christian parents to spank/strike a child as discipline and now you are claiming spanking/striking children are mistakes and against the glory of God it's amazing how so easily you can be manipulated from your Faith...but this time I had to get you to see the light ,,,can I get a witness? but anyway it would be pretty cool if MsHarmony showed up now since she was also claiming that it's ok for herself as a Christian to strike her children I was wondering where were you guys were getting violence against Children from if not from The Teachings of Jesus.... mental issues perhaps? No I don't spank my child, I don't have a child. Different kids need different ways of being raised, not every child learns from being whooped, not all kids can be lovingly showed the way without physical punishment. There is no specific information on "spanking" a child. Hebrews 12:6-7 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? Chastise - to inflict punishment on (as by whipping Cowboy...if Jesus supposedly gave new laws then why are you presenting old laws from Hebrews which is from The Old Testament?.... all I can say is BUSTED ..... by you posting Old Laws from Hebrews is an indication that those stoning unruly children laws still exist for you and Christian parents ??? What are you talking about? Hebrews is in the new testament. |
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