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Topic: Let's talk about judgment...
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Tue 04/03/12 10:51 PM



Philosophy is about concepts, not definitions.

Folk can judge without having the ability to judge soundly.


They can and they do. laugh laugh


What you state is paritally a true statement that people can judge without having the ability to judge soundly for, people do have the ability to judge though, some may not have the ability to judge soundly.

Definition was to point out the topic will go nowhere and see it did not. It seems to be a useless topic of meaningless words being thrown out with no relative use for nothing. BravaLady I still believe you are right and still agree with you.

Have fun ... good-bye. To me the topic is silly.


Some folk do not see value in the pursuit of understanding how judgment works, other folk do. We're all entitled to our opinion. My opinion of someone who enters into a philosophical discussion for the purpose of saying that they think it is silly isn't a good one. Seems rather tactless to me.

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Tue 04/03/12 10:57 PM




Philosophy is about concepts, not definitions.

Folk can judge without having the ability to judge soundly.


They can and they do. laugh laugh


What you state is paritally a true statement that people can judge without having the ability to judge soundly for, people do have the ability to judge though, some may not have the ability to judge soundly.

Definition was to point out the topic will go nowhere and see it did not. It seems to be a useless topic of meaningless words being thrown out with no relative use for nothing. BravaLady I still believe you are right and still agree with you.

Have fun ... good-bye. To me the topic is silly.


Some folk do not see value in the pursuit of understanding how judgment works, other folk do. We're all entitled to our opinion. My opinion of someone who enters into a philosophical discussion for the purpose of saying that they think it is silly isn't a good one. Seems rather tactless to me.


Philosophical topics are not silly, but this one seems to be because it goes nowhere but to say it is the same or not, a yes or no. There is for me nothing more to say than give an answer to the question you asked, for all you asked for was an answer. Please take no offence it is nothing personal, I guess just a bad topic or wording, that's all.

creativesoul's photo
Tue 04/03/12 11:15 PM





Philosophy is about concepts, not definitions.

Folk can judge without having the ability to judge soundly.


They can and they do. laugh laugh


What you state is paritally a true statement that people can judge without having the ability to judge soundly for, people do have the ability to judge though, some may not have the ability to judge soundly.

Definition was to point out the topic will go nowhere and see it did not. It seems to be a useless topic of meaningless words being thrown out with no relative use for nothing. BravaLady I still believe you are right and still agree with you.

Have fun ... good-bye. To me the topic is silly.


Some folk do not see value in the pursuit of understanding how judgment works, other folk do. We're all entitled to our opinion. My opinion of someone who enters into a philosophical discussion for the purpose of saying that they think it is silly isn't a good one. Seems rather tactless to me.


Philosophical topics are not silly, but this one seems to be because it goes nowhere but to say it is the same or not, a yes or no. There is for me nothing more to say than give an answer to the question you asked, for all you asked for was an answer. Please take no offence it is nothing personal, I guess just a bad topic or wording, that's all.


No offense taken. Some topics develop and some don't, it all depends upon who meanders in and what is said. The OP, around here at least, matters little...


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Sat 04/07/12 10:46 PM
In my experience judgement is fundamentally flawed.
People have either already experienced the object of Judgement...
Or they are using judgement for a possible future event.

So, what I am saying is that there can be many many outcomes. We all choose by our actions but in the end we experience everything.

I choose to be a surfer scientist only in the respect that I ride out the emotions as they come and try to make it better. We all experience life in our own way and should. Getting caught in the mental circles of whuda, coulda, shoulda detracts me from catching those waves. :D

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Sun 04/08/12 12:30 AM
Edited by WholesomeWoman on Sun 04/08/12 12:46 AM

Judgment is something that we all do and we do it all the time. For instance, when we look out we conclude that we are seeing something. It does not matter if we believe that that is a figment of our imagination or if we believe that something is really there, we are rendering judgment in both cases. There are also different kinds of judgment, and that is what I'd like to see developed here. Some different kinds, off the top of my head would include moral judgment(meaning what is to be considered acceptable/unacceptable behavior), aesthetic judgment(meaning personal preferences/tastes), and epistemic judgment(meaning that which one thinks/believes to be true).

I suppose what I'm wondering is if all judgment is somehow the same in some way.


Hi, I am going to try this again. I thought about what you said.

I would say that judgement is somehow the same in some way. How? Judgement I see could be the same by process or main elements used to derive at an outcome.

The main elements may be: see, judge, act and in that order as steps taken for an outcome, verdict, decision based one's judgement.

For examples, one sees something, then it is judged based on what was seen against a reference source. Judgement would be the by the process used to come to a judgement.

The process of "see, judge, act". For example:

!. See - to look at the circumstance, situation ...;

2. Judge - to check against a source i.e. scriptures, the law, knowledge through one's education/upbringing;

3. Act - the decision made or, outcome, action taken.

Further to my thoughts on this is, when a "process" is used, it aids serve or to provide a better, or sound judgment.

All types of judgment are the same in that:

1. There is an action outcome as a result of judgement.

2. There is a cause and effect from the action taken as a result of the judgement.

3. There is a change as a result of a judgment made in someone, in something.

What do you think ... am I on track now to your topic, how did I do?

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Sun 04/08/12 02:32 PM


I suppose what I'm wondering is if all judgment is somehow the same in some way.


Hi, I am going to try this again. I thought about what you said.

I would say that judgement is somehow the same in some way. How? Judgement I see could be the same by process or main elements used to derive at an outcome.

The main elements may be: see, judge, act and in that order as steps taken for an outcome, verdict, decision based one's judgement.

For examples, one sees something, then it is judged based on what was seen against a reference source. Judgement would be the by the process used to come to a judgement.

The process of "see, judge, act". For example:

1. See - to look at the circumstance, situation ...;

2. Judge - to check against a source i.e. scriptures, the law, knowledge through one's education/upbringing;

3. Act - the decision made or, outcome, action taken.

Further to my thoughts on this is, when a "process" is used, it aids serve or to provide a better, or sound judgment.


It seems that you're setting out what is required for the act of conscious judgment. That is, judgment that contains conscious deliberation, as set out in 2. Judgment is rendered after comparitive assessment. Am I following you?



All types of judgment are the same in that:

1. There is an action outcome as a result of judgement.

2. There is a cause and effect from the action taken as a result of the judgement.

3. There is a change as a result of a judgment made in someone, in something.

What do you think ... am I on track now to your topic, how did I do?


This is more like what I'm after, however I think that you're focusing upon the 'other end', as it were. I mean, it seems that you're setting out the causal effects of judgment after it occurs. It's fine, I suppose, to develop that aspect. However, my interest lies more in what judgment consists in/of - much like how you began this response.

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