How do we know if we judge correctly?

We can only hope.

But eventually the truth will reveal itself.

Well, we can certainly hope that we have. However, I would think that if we establish and hold to an adequate criterion, then we would greatly increase our odds.

I would not agree that we will eventually know whether or not we have in most cases. Some perhaps, but not most and definitely not all.

One must certainly have what it takes in order to acknowledge when and if they have misjudged a situation. If one does not have what it takes, then they cannot even fathom when and if they've misjudged.

What it takes is an adequate criterion.

Interesting...

I think that it is safe to say that all judgment presupposes truth.

BravaLady precisely, I agree with you that this topic seems like nothing but words.

What topic isn't?

Correction ... it seems you are playing with words.

For the topic lends itself or seems like you are trying to lead by responses into something for example into religion.

Truly what is there really to discuss here, word definitions of the types of judgement? Take the meaning of the root of the types and there is nothing else to the topic then other listing all the types.


judgement (judge|ment)
Pronunciation: /ˈdʒʌdʒm(ə)nt/(also judgment)

noun
1. [mass noun] the ability to make considered decisions or come to sensible conclusions:an error of judgement; that is not, in my judgement, the end of the matter
[count noun] an opinion or conclusion: they make subjective judgements about children’s skills

[count noun] a decision of a law court or judge: county court judgements against individuals in debt.

2.a. misfortune or calamity viewed as a divine punishment: the events of last week are a judgement on us for our sinful ways

Phrases

against one's better judgement - contrary to what one feels to be wise or sensible: he persuaded me against my better judgement to join him

pass judgement - (of a law court or judge) give a decision concerning a defendant or legal matter: he passed judgement on the accused

criticize or condemn someone from a position of assumed moral superiority: we’re here to help, not to pass judgement

reserve judgement- delay the process of judging or giving one’s opinion: she said she would reserve judgement until next week

sit in judgement - assume the right to judge someone, especially in a critical manner: this total stranger was actually daring to sit in judgement

Origin: Middle English: from Old French jugement, from juger 'to judge'

In British English the normal spelling in general contexts is judgement. However, the spelling judgment is conventional in legal contexts, and in North American English.


Now you added a few types too, the point is definition 1 is the basis or meaning for all types of judgement which is "the ability to make considered decisions or come to sensible conclusions". Then there is definition 2 which I suspect you want it to go in this direction to start a religion thingy going, am I correct?

This is a delete message and should not have been. There was an error with the system which replicated my response here again from above.

Not even close. If it were the basis of all types of judgment, then no one would have been able to judge until a dictionary was written. Doing philosophy from a dictionary is really poor practice. In order for that particular definition to capture the meaning of all kinds of judgment, it would have to be applicable to every situation in which the term is used in a meaningful manner.

Kant calls judgment a talent that cannot be learned.

Judgment, if it is to mean "the ability to make considered decisions or come to sensible conclusions" then we are talking about an ability which has yet to have been set out. In other words, what does it take to acquire such an ability?




No. You're not. The post that I think that you're referring to was simply a response to another concerning such a thing. Basing such a conclusion upon such flimsy ground doesn't make for sound judgment.

What I am saying is judgement is the same as in the question you posed (the second question in your initial topic) for, when you look at the meaning of judgement and for all "types" ( the couple you named and what I found in the dictionary) the outcome of these types are all based on a person's ability to make a conclusion.

Ability can be your talent. Talent is a gift therefore not learnt. Ability can have more than one meaning too, therefore applicable as, natural or leanred ability.

Philosophy is about concepts, not definitions.

Folk can judge without having the ability to judge soundly.

They can and they do.

I'm sure that we all judge incorrectly at times. My interest is in knowing the difference between the two.

Of course. Why wouldn't it be?

What you state is paritally a true statement that people can judge without having the ability to judge soundly for, people do have the ability to judge though, some may not have the ability to judge soundly.

Definition was to point out the topic will go nowhere and see it did not. It seems to be a useless topic of meaningless words being thrown out with no relative use for nothing. BravaLady I still believe you are right and still agree with you.

Have fun ... good-bye. To me the topic is silly.

I think we respond to question and choices that we are faced with by mentally imagining the outcomes of the various actions we could take.

In our imaginings we compare the probabile outcomes of the different actions we could take with knowledge that we have gained through expereince.

We expect that our judgements will produce outcomes that are beneficial for achieving a goal.

When we don't achieve the expected outcome it's easy to say we have misjudged or it is just as easy to say that we judged correctly but our goal was thwarted by 'circumstances beyond our control'.

When we attribute failure to outside influences, without further self reflection, we condemn ourselves to making further misjudgements because the basis from which our judgement is made (our knowledg)is not questioned and corrected.

Furthermore, there are times that we misjudge, but the outcome is still satisfactory. Although the good outcome occurred due to 'circumstanses beyond our control', we may fail to recognize that we had misjudged, preferring to believe instead that the base of our judgment is sound.

"The fundamental attribution error!"

I don't think anyone can possibly know the full extent of their misjudgments but I do think that the vast majority of people believe the bulk of all their judgements are sound and thus, the actions they have taken, based on their judgements, are correct ones.

There is one category in particular, on which we base some of our judgements, that is more difficult to change than any other because we protect to the extreme. That category is the one under which our values are stored.

We are more likely to base unexpected outcomes to outside influences than we are to reflect on our own value system. I would predict that the majority of our misjudgments stem from actions based on our system of values.

See there, you have made a personal judgement.

Goodbye!

I agree.

It takes something external to our belief system in order to show us a flaw in our belief system, but we have to be willing to accept the possibility that we've been wrong. Perhaps it be better put... the world starts to look different when one starts looking at the world differently.

Poetic liscense.



Indeed. One can arrive at a true conclusion based upon false premisses if the means they arrive at that conclusion are illogical.



I think I agree, but I cannot quite be certain. If you get back in here, I'd like to see this notion developed a little more.