Topic: Let's talk about judgment...
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Wed 03/28/12 11:00 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 03/28/12 11:04 PM
Judgement is always personal. Even in my tarot card depicting judgement it is personal. Many people believe judgement is about some god passing judgement on his creation (humans).

That is not what it is about. Judgement is always personal.

In the picture below, the warrior is looking a headstone and contemplating his life and his death. He is at a crossroad in his life. He has changed and he is wondering how he should change his life.

The name of the painting I made this card from is called "A Knight at the Crossroad". It was perfect for my judgement card.

http://www.infinitevisionstarot.com/20.html


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Wed 03/28/12 11:26 PM
I would agree that judgment is personal. I would further posit that all judgment is based - somewhere along the line - upon what one already considers to be true.

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Thu 03/29/12 09:51 AM

I would agree that judgment is personal. I would further posit that all judgment is based - somewhere along the line - upon what one already considers to be true.


That is pretty obvious. I can't see making a judgement on something considered to be false.

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Thu 03/29/12 09:54 AM
How does one decide whether an experience was good or bad?

Can a bad experience be judged good if it produces desired results?

As is in: What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

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Thu 03/29/12 10:15 AM
Good and bad are fairly vague terms. They can be labels of personal preference, of convention, of a 'higher' being's judgment, etc. How we judge good and bad depends upon the criterion we use.

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Thu 03/29/12 05:11 PM
But how does one judge whether an experience was a "good or bad" thing for them or for someone else?

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Thu 03/29/12 05:38 PM

Well to respond to Bravalady.

Judging the distance of a car and its relative speeds when getting out in traffic is VERY different than judging if your friend is lying to you.

What do these things have in common, what is different? Often from a philosophical view point we can discover different ways we engage with these various judgements and better help our understanding of the science involved with cognition.

Just my .02, but then again I kinda geek out to this stuff.




That type of judgement can be influenced by habit.
For example; someone who drives the same road every day assumes through habit that if a car is at a certain point of an intersection it is safe to pull out, until he encounters a car that is traveling at a completely different speed than what, for him,
is normal.

Normally we judge somebody who is smiling as someone who is not
intent on doing us any harm. That is not always the case.

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Sun 04/01/12 08:43 PM
But how does one judge whether an experience was a "good or bad" thing for them or for someone else?


By their own belief regarding good and bad, I suppose. I do not think that those terms lead anywhere useful unless we further explain what is meant by them. They don't always mean the same thing.

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Sun 04/01/12 10:34 PM

But how does one judge whether an experience was a "good or bad" thing for them or for someone else?


By their own belief regarding good and bad, I suppose. I do not think that those terms lead anywhere useful unless we further explain what is meant by them. They don't always mean the same thing.


Well good and bad are opinions.

Judgments are opinions.

Opinions are all personal.

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Sun 04/01/12 10:37 PM
I would necessarily disagree, but that doesn't really add anything to our undestanding.

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Mon 04/02/12 08:27 AM

I would necessarily disagree, but that doesn't really add anything to our undestanding.


That statement is just confusing.

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Mon 04/02/12 08:33 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 04/02/12 08:34 AM
I don't know why you need to add something to your understanding. I am content that I understand what I need to know about judgement being personal. People do have opinions about good and bad however fleeting. Having an opinion about good and bad is similar to making a judgement.

I don't think I will jump off this roof because that might cause an injury and that would be bad.

or

That guy is chasing me with a gun and wants to kill me and my only chance to escape is to jump off this roof. Escaping would be good.

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Mon 04/02/12 12:20 PM


I would necessarily disagree, but that doesn't really add anything to our undestanding.


That statement is just confusing.


Indeed, I meant would not... sloppy of me.

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Mon 04/02/12 12:22 PM

I don't know why you need to add something to your understanding. I am content that I understand what I need to know about judgement being personal. People do have opinions about good and bad however fleeting. Having an opinion about good and bad is similar to making a judgement.

I don't think I will jump off this roof because that might cause an injury and that would be bad.

or

That guy is chasing me with a gun and wants to kill me and my only chance to escape is to jump off this roof. Escaping would be good.


Well simply saying that judgment is personal doesn't really say much about judgment overall. Rather than giving examples of when we employ judgment, I'm looking more towards what judgment consists in/of. Know whatta mean?

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Tue 04/03/12 09:25 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 04/03/12 09:26 AM


I don't know why you need to add something to your understanding. I am content that I understand what I need to know about judgement being personal. People do have opinions about good and bad however fleeting. Having an opinion about good and bad is similar to making a judgement.

I don't think I will jump off this roof because that might cause an injury and that would be bad.

or

That guy is chasing me with a gun and wants to kill me and my only chance to escape is to jump off this roof. Escaping would be good.


Well simply saying that judgment is personal doesn't really say much about judgment overall. Rather than giving examples of when we employ judgment, I'm looking more towards what judgment consists in/of. Know whatta mean?


Well I guess I'm not sure what you are are looking for because the Opening post said:

"I suppose what I'm wondering is if all judgment is somehow the same in some way."

My response was that I feel that judgement is personal. I suppose it can also be an agreement when you look at a judgement issued by a jury or a group. But even then each person's judgement is personal.

I think everyday judgments we make are similar to opinions. But the question I have is what is the function of every day judgment? Is it necessary prior to making decisions?

So how do you define judgement?

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Tue 04/03/12 09:28 AM
A personal judgement would depend on an individual's current belief and understanding and their knowledge and experience.


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Tue 04/03/12 10:48 AM
Well I guess I'm not sure what you are are looking for because the Opening post said:

"I suppose what I'm wondering is if all judgment is somehow the same in some way."

My response was that I feel that judgement is personal. I suppose it can also be an agreement when you look at a judgement issued by a jury or a group. But even then each person's judgement is personal.


Yes, judgment is the same in that they are made by the individual(personal). I'm looking for something deeper - what judgment consists in/of.

I think everyday judgments we make are similar to opinions. But the question I have is what is the function of every day judgment? Is it necessary prior to making decisions?


That's a good question. A decision to act?

So how do you define judgement?


I would think that the simplest and most encompassing definition would be that a judgment is a conclusion.

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Tue 04/03/12 10:50 AM
A personal judgement would depend on an individual's current belief and understanding and their knowledge and experience.


If all judgment is personal, and it is, then just saying judgment rather than personal judgment is clearer. Saying personal judgment leads one to wonder what kind of judgment isn't personal. That being said, I would agree that judgment is based upon experience.

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Tue 04/03/12 11:28 AM

A personal judgement would depend on an individual's current belief and understanding and their knowledge and experience.


If all judgment is personal, and it is, then just saying judgment rather than personal judgment is clearer. Saying personal judgment leads one to wonder what kind of judgment isn't personal. That being said, I would agree that judgment is based upon experience.


The term "personal judgement" is for the benefit of people who align that term with a god. Some think that judgement is something only a god is permitted to do. I always hear people preaching that we should never judge others.

Judgement where it passes a sentence of punishment is more than an assessment of a person. I may assess that a person is a crook or a jerk without regard to how he should be punished. But when you judge that a man is an evil person and should be put to death, that is judgement that includes punishment.

Can we assess the character of a person without thinking about what their punishment should be? I say yes, we can. Is that still to be called "judgement?"

If I judge a man to be a jerk, his punishment might be that I don't want anything to do with him. Perhaps he does not care. If so, then that would not be punishment. But if he does care, it might be punishment.


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Tue 04/03/12 11:54 AM
The term "personal judgement" is for the benefit of people who align that term with a god. Some think that judgement is something only a god is permitted to do. I always hear people preaching that we should never judge others.


I think that that usually refers to another's guilt or innocence, or whether or not one is acting in accordance to the Bible.

Judgement where it passes a sentence of punishment is more than an assessment of a person. I may assess that a person is a crook or a jerk without regard to how he should be punished. But when you judge that a man is an evil person and should be put to death, that is judgement that includes punishment.


Agreed. That is to come to two separate conclusions(judgments). The former being of another's character, the latter being of punishment for that character(or act based upon).

Can we assess the character of a person without thinking about what their punishment should be? I say yes, we can. Is that still to be called "judgement?"


Yes and yes. Two different kinds of judgment.

If I judge a man to be a jerk, his punishment might be that I don't want anything to do with him. Perhaps he does not care. If so, then that would not be punishment. But if he does care, it might be punishment.


It may unintentionally serve as punishment, or intentionally serve as punishment. That intention belongs to you. In other words, if you choose to avoid him without the aim to make him pay but rather just for the sake of avoiding him then you're not acting with the intent to punish.