Joe is in one room of a house. Jill comes in and asks Joe if he's the only one there. Unbeknownst to Joe, Mary is in the other room. Joe answers "yes". Is Joe lying?






The above claims rest upon a couple of very dubious presuppositions.


1. In order for it to be true that "Joe was most certainly lying", then Joe would have to believe that Jill was asking him to count her when she asked him if he was the only one there. In fact, we would have to know that Joe believed that in order to be certain.

2. Saying that "an answer of 'no, of course not' should be Joe's honest answer" is to say that Joe should believe that Jill was asking him to count her when she asked him if he was the only one there.




And yet you STILL do not realize that your claims depend upon it.

Sigh.

Just so you know, I'm not saying this to be boastful in any way shape or form, but I'm trying to do you a favor by revealing a fact to you that you're obviously unaware of.

When it comes to basic language skills, reading comprehension, and the like, I've always scored in the 99.99% on standardized testing. That is the highest mark possible. You do not know what you're talking about. Let it go.

That's good for you.

Then it should be painfully obvious that you are misrepresenting the proper use of language as well as the literal meaning of "Are you alone?"


So teach me what the literal interpretation of that question is.

Here's an easy one for the 99.99th percentile.

What is the literal interpretation of "Are you alone?" if Jill asks Joe over the phone?

Interpretation doesn't matter Pan. The criterion being used need only that an interpretation be given. Which one given makes no difference. I'm not interested in arguing with you about things that do not matter to the focus of the thread. The focus is establishing and testing a criterion, which when satified, allows us the highest degree of confidence in judging whether someone is being honest.

Seeing how it is obvious that you're obsessed with attempting to belittle me whil insisting upon a petty argument regarding who's intepretation is 'correct'...

I suggest you look up the difference between denotative and connotative meaning and start another thread. I'd be glad to join in...

Joe is in one room of a house. Jill comes in and asks Joe if he's the only one there. Unbeknownst to Joe, Mary is in the other room. Joe answers "yes". Is Joe lying?






The above claims rest upon a couple of very dubious presuppositions.


1. In order for it to be true that "Joe was most certainly lying", then Joe would have to believe that Jill was asking him to count her when she asked him if he was the only one there. In fact, we would have to know that Joe believed that in order to be certain.

2. Saying that "an answer of 'no, of course not' should be Joe's honest answer" is to say that Joe should believe that Jill was asking him to count her when she asked him if he was the only one there.


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How do you respond to what has been set out here? Do you agree with 1 and 2? If not, then what exactly is it about either that you object to? As far as I can tell, they both capture exactly what it would take for you claims to be true.

Interpretation doesn't matter?

Do you realise how silly and incorrect that statement is regarding communication?

If interpretation doesn't matter, then what is your argument based upon???

You ought read more that just the first statement...



I said...



Interpretation doesn't matter Pan. The criterion being used need only that an interpretation be given. Which one given makes no difference.

Here's an easy one for the 99.99th percentile.

What is the literal interpretation of "Are you alone?" if Jill asks Joe over the phone?

Joe is in one room of a house. Jill comes in and asks Joe if he's the only one there. Unbeknownst to Joe, Mary is in the other room. Joe answers "yes". Is Joe lying?






The above claims rest upon a couple of very dubious presuppositions.


1. In order for it to be true that "Joe was most certainly lying", then Joe would have to believe that Jill was asking him to count her when she asked him if he was the only one there. In fact, we would have to know that Joe believed that in order to be certain.

2. Saying that "an answer of 'no, of course not' should be Joe's honest answer" is to say that Joe should believe that Jill was asking him to count her when she asked him if he was the only one there.


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How do you respond to what has been set out here? Do you agree with 1 and 2? If not, then what exactly is it about either that you object to? As far as I can tell, they both capture exactly what it would take for you claims to be true.

LOL, I think you lied about your qualifications...


Here's an easy one for the 99.99th percentile.

What is the literal interpretation of "Are you alone?" if Jill asks Joe over the phone?

I suggest you look up the difference between denotative and connotative meaning and start another thread.

Here's the scenario...

Joe is in one room of a house. Jill comes in and asks Joe if he's the only one there. Unbeknownst to Joe, Mary is in the other room. Joe answers "yes". Is Joe lying?




1. In order for it to be true that "Joe was most certainly lying", then Joe would have to believe that Jill was asking him to count her when she asked him if he was the only one there. In fact, we would have to know that Joe believed that in order to be certain.

2. Saying that "an answer of 'no, of course not' should be Joe's honest answer" is to say that Joe should believe that Jill was asking him to count her when she asked him if he was the only one there.

You appear to be afraid to answer a direct question creative.


Show how gifted you are in reading comprehension and answer it if you dare.


**I predict creative will refuse to answer a direct question that exposes his lack of knowledge.**

Here's the scenario...

Joe is in one room of a house. Jill comes in and asks Joe if he's the only one there. Unbeknownst to Joe, Mary is in the other room. Joe answers "yes". Is Joe lying?

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I say that it depends upon what Joe believes that Jill is asking for and whether or not his answer captures that.

You need to leave. Seriously. Go somewhere else, I'm not interested.

My prediction still stands!!!





Look, I know you won't answer it because you know I'm right.

If you can't be intellectually honest, then you're being dishonest.
Something which is painfully obvious to anyone who has seen your behavior in this thread.

This is your chance to man up and engage in meaningful dialog.

Noone is interested in being proven to be mistaken, that's why you want me to leave.

You must leave if you can't deal with these blatant facts...