What does the question, as posed, mean Pan?

...there it is. Your words acknowledging the meaning of the question as it was posed. There is no misrepresentation involved, Those are your words verbatim. So, how does it follow from this agreement that "no" should be Joe's honest answer? There is no deception on my part Pan. You agreed to the meaning of the question.

Explain this.

Here creative took my words out of context in a lame attempt to lie about my stance.

creative, lacking basic language and social skills, keeps confusing me with Joe. I've made it clear to him that I do NOT dictate how people should interpret his deceptive scenario. Whether or not he informed me of it's meaning, he NEVER revealed it to Joe.

His anger has blinded him to the point where he can see nothing except the same 16 quotes over and over again. Ignoring my true words, he keeps trying to claim victory but I have properly refuted every one of his allegations.

Being blind, he acts like a broken record doomed to never get past the glitch he obviously has... Hopefully he learns that simply believing something to be true does not make it so...


Is that explanation clear enough?

Oh yeah bruddah, check my prediction (lol).

Nonsense in triplicate!!!

I'm not asking you about your opinion of me, or what you believe that I'm doing. I'm asking you to explain your own words. You did not offer anything in accordance with that. You need to explain this...

Here creative took my words out of context in a lame attempt to lie about my stance.

creative, lacking basic language and social skills, keeps confusing me with Joe. I've made it clear to him that I do NOT dictate how people should interpret his deceptive scenario. Whether or not he informed me of it's meaning, he NEVER revealed it to Joe.

His anger has blinded him to the point where he can see nothing except the same 16 quotes over and over again. Ignoring my true words, he keeps trying to claim victory but I have properly refuted every one of his allegations.

Being blind, he acts like a broken record doomed to never get past the glitch he obviously has... Hopefully he learns that simply believing something to be true does not make it so...


Is that explanation clear enough?

I'm not making an attempt to explain your stance. I'm charging you with not doing that. Explain your own words.





Do you or do you not know the meaning of the question, as it was posed - by Jill, to Joe - in the hypothetical context that I created and clarified the meaning of?

Here creative took my words out of context in a lame attempt to lie about my stance.

creative, lacking basic language and social skills, keeps confusing me with Joe. I've made it clear to him that I do NOT dictate how people should interpret his deceptive scenario. Whether or not he informed me of it's meaning, he NEVER revealed it to Joe.

His anger has blinded him to the point where he can see nothing except the same 16 quotes over and over again. Ignoring my true words, he keeps trying to claim victory but I have properly refuted every one of his allegations.

Being blind, he acts like a broken record doomed to never get past the glitch he obviously has... Hopefully he learns that simply believing something to be true does not make it so...


Is that explanation clear enough?

Why do you insist upon offering information that I am not asking for?

I'm not asking you for your opinion about me, or your view concerning that. I'm asking you whether or not you know what the question meant, as posed, in the context I created and later clarified.

Do you or do you not acknowledge that the question, as posed to joe by Jill, meant Jill notwithstanding?

What was the question again?

Be careful of how you word your expressions. You DID ask for an explanation. I offered one for your obvious obsession and deception.


You still don't communicate clearly? Even after the lessons?

My question to you, or Jill's question to Joe?

u pick.

My question to you is do you or do you not acknowledge that the question, as posed to Joe by Jill, meant Jill notwithstanding.

Ask again, I wasn't clear enough the last 10 times.

It is either the case that you do acknowledge what the question meant, as posed, or it is the case that you don't acknowledge what the question meant, as posed. It is a simple yes or no question. Why are you refusing to answer it?

Do you or do you not acknowledge that the question, as posed to Joe by Jill, meant Jill notwithstanding?

When I quote two statements made by you that are about something other than me and say "Explain this", it is very clear that I'm not asking you to explain your opinion of me.

Abundantly clear, in fact.

Here we have creative getting upset when someone assumes something contrary to his beliefs.

What was abuntly clear from his posts and responses was that he doesn't care to represent my words honestly and ignores my posts when i do explain them.

After numerous explanations, I had to readjust my assumptions of what it was creative asked for. I had two choices that were prominent.

He was either exhibiting troll-like behavior or he wanted something else explained. I chose to explain why I think he's exhibiting troll-like behavior.


Now is it clear enough?

Alright, enough of the nonsense...

The aim here, following from bushido, is to attempt to set out a criterion which, when put to use(tested), we can know whether or not one is offering dishonest testimony. Dishonest testimony can come in several different forms. It is my contention that all of those boil down to being a deliberate misrepresentation of one's own belief.

So, I created a hypothetical scenario in order to provide context for further conversation. In the scenario provided there is a question. In order to clarify the context, I thoroughly explained what that question meant, several times over. The scenario is meant to provide us with an an example to serve as a basis from which to test different criterion.

The scenario was orginally posed as follows...

Joe is in one room of a house. Jill comes in and asks Joe if he's the only one there. Unbeknownst to Joe, Mary is in the other room.

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So, it is a given that Jill wanted to know if Joe was the only one there. It has been argued that that could be taken to mean different things. So, I further clarified by positing that Joe believes that Jill is not asking him to count her.

So if Joe answers "yes" is he lying. Or if Joe answer "no" is he lying...