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Topic: Titanic Question
andrewzooms's photo
Thu 03/08/12 04:28 PM
If Titanic hit the Iceberg head on would it have sank?

norwichboy's photo
Thu 03/08/12 04:45 PM
Yep, like a rock

motowndowntown's photo
Thu 03/08/12 05:00 PM
No, it would have crumpled the bow but the watertight doors would have
sectioned it off.

The reason the ship sank was because so many plates were damaged along the side that too many compartments flooded.

andrewzooms's photo
Thu 03/08/12 05:03 PM
I wonder how thick the Iceberg was. Would it be possible for the Ship to be stuck or embedded in the Iceberg?

motowndowntown's photo
Thu 03/08/12 05:08 PM

I wonder how thick the Iceberg was. Would it be possible for the Ship to be stuck or embedded in the Iceberg?


It was quite large. And something like forty percent of a typical berg is under the water.

Stuck? Probably not. Ice is quite hard. Might have rode up on it if there was a shelf of somesort.

norwichboy's photo
Thu 03/08/12 05:14 PM

No, it would have crumpled the bow but the watertight doors would have
sectioned it off.

The reason the ship sank was because so many plates were damaged along the side that too many compartments flooded.
If you drive a 45,500 ton boat head into a 500,000 ton block of ice,,, its going to sink

motowndowntown's photo
Thu 03/08/12 05:22 PM


No, it would have crumpled the bow but the watertight doors would have
sectioned it off.

The reason the ship sank was because so many plates were damaged along the side that too many compartments flooded.
If you drive a 45,500 ton boat head into a 500,000 ton block of ice,,, its going to sink


Ever heard of watertight bulkheads?

They're there for a reason.

You could have probably chopped off a one-hundred foot section of
the ships bow and it would still float.

norwichboy's photo
Thu 03/08/12 05:29 PM
They wont be water tight after an impact of that kind of magnitude

metalwing's photo
Thu 03/08/12 11:12 PM

They wont be water tight after an impact of that kind of magnitude


The bow of the ship would act as a crumple zone like a modern car. One or two compartments would crush and flood but the ship would still float... and stop. The glancing blow tore plates along the side of the ship opening many compartments to flooding.

Depending upon several factors between 70 and 90% of the iceberg is under water.

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 03/09/12 01:32 AM

If Titanic hit the Iceberg head on would it have sank?
according to some Expert,probably not!
The Watertight Compartments would have held,and the water couldn't have swamped that many!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_RMS_Titanic

seems that just one too many of the Compartments were breached!
Apparently she would have survived with four being opened,but not with five.

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 03/09/12 02:38 AM
just found another interesting one!

Did the Moon Help Sink the Titanic? A New Theory Says Yes

There's never been any mystery about why the world's most famous luxury liner plunged to the bottom of the frigid North Atlantic on a moonless night during its maiden voyage almost exactly a century ago. The smoking gun was a block of ice — a massive berg that had calved away from Greenland and drifted down into the heavily traveled shipping lanes. On April 15, 1912, the unsinkable Titanic met the unmovable iceberg and in less than three hours, the ship was no more, taking 1,500 passengers and crew members down with it.


That's the direct cause of the tragedy anyway, but there were plenty of contributing factors — a ship design that wasn't nearly as robust as everyone thought; a decision by the captain to forge ahead at high speed, despite reports from other ships of an unusual number of icebergs in the area; a push by the ship company's managing director to make the crossing in record time for bragging rights.



There may, however, have been an unindicted co-conspirator, one that's gone overlooked for all these decades: the moon. That conclusion doesn't come from astrologers finding dark portents in the star charts of 1912, but from two physicists from Texas State University–San Marcos, who lay out their very credible case in the current edition of Sky & Telescope.

The authors, Donald Olson and Russell Doescher, along with Roger Sinnott, a contributor editor of the magazine, begin with an improbable convergence months before the Titanic set sail — on Jan. 4, 1912, to be exact. On that day, the sun and the moon lined up with the earth in such a way that their combined gravity led to a cycle of unusually high and low tides. By itself, the phenomenon is not that uncommon; indeed, it's a very familiar one, known as the spring tides — even though they don't necessarily occur in spring.



But in 1912, the spring tides were special. At almost exactly the same time they were occurring, the scientists determined, the moon just happened to make its closest approach to earth in 1,400 years. The moon's orbit is slightly oval, so it oscillates between closer and farther away every month; but there's a slight wobble on top of that so that on occasion, close becomes extremely close and far becomes very far — at least by earth-moon standards. In 1912, the unusual proximity of the moon made its gravitational pull just a little more powerful than normal.

Worse still, on Jan. 3 — only one day earlier — the earth made its closest approach to the sun, which happens every year at this time. That meant that solar gravity was stronger than usual too. That all of this would converge at precisely the right (or wrong) moment in the moon's monthly procession around the earth — never mind the earth's annual procession around the sun as well — impressed even the scientists. "It's remarkable," Olson said in a statement. "The full moon could be any time of the month. The perigee [the moon's usual close approach] could be any time of the month. Think of how many minutes there are in a month."


So the tides on Jan. 4 were not just high, but higher than they'd been in many hundreds of years. At first the physicists theorized that the rising sea might have forced extra icebergs to break off from Greenland, and indeed that might have occurred. But to get into the shipping lanes by April, any fresh floes would have had to swim against the prevailing currents, which would have been impossible. Instead, the new theory suggests, the killer berg might have been an old one that had become grounded in the relatively shallow waters around Labrador and Newfoundland. Icebergs often run aground there, but the historically high tides may have freed a number of them, turning the shipping lanes into the deadly minefield they became that April.

It's an ingenious piece of detective work, and it could well be right — although it can't ever be proved definitively. Admits Olson: "We don't claim to know exactly where the Titanic iceberg was in January 1912 — nobody can know that — but this is a plausible scenario intended to be scientifically reasonable."

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2108424,00.html?xid=feed-yahoo-full-mostpopular

wux's photo
Fri 03/09/12 03:27 AM
Edited by wux on Fri 03/09/12 03:35 AM
The Titanic could have been saved from sinking if all the water ballasts and coal reserves had been dumped quickly. This could have been accomplished with a 48% positively saviour-like probability. But the captain was more concerned about saving his seven bottles of unopened fine port and saving mainly the blondes off the ship (Women and children first!!). This captain was a man of heightened epicurean tastes. For instance, in the pockets of his captain's jacket which was recovered from wreck in very recent decades, there were two t-bone stakes, a bottle of Worcestershire sauce and three dozen packages of unopened prophylectics, as well as several sugar cubes, packaged in water-safe, sealed, individual bakelite containers.

There was a huge number of high ranking teenage analysts on the Mainland of America, as well as on the island of Manhattan, who sharply decried the obviously lacking intervention by Superbman. Had he appeared on time, the whole disaster could have been avoided. For instance, he could have speed-welded fifty-thousand tons of Swedish steel, or pushed the ice cube out of the way in time.

A third theory suggests that it was not an iceberg at all that sank the Titanic, but a delegation of underwater explorers from Io, the seventh moon of Jupiter, who were perplexed when their instruments showed an "iron fish, size of lower Manhattan, swimming upstream most likely to spawn, and there was a lot of seismic activity that indicated a very large amount of love-acts in their functional process stages, in the fish's innards. Our team leaders' impromptu conference decreed that the most feasible and efficient yet humane way of deflating the ovaries of this mother ship would be to drill a hole in its abdomen, all the way to its ovaries, and then scrape them out and then in the future, use them for keeping dushes in it." This surgical maneuver is sometimes referred to as "two eggs ovaries-y."


This has been a public service global entertainment value for the adult family of humans.

metalwing's photo
Sat 03/10/12 09:10 AM

The Titanic could have been saved from sinking if all the water ballasts and coal reserves had been dumped quickly. This could have been accomplished with a 48% positively saviour-like probability. But the captain was more concerned about saving his seven bottles of unopened fine port and saving mainly the blondes off the ship (Women and children first!!). This captain was a man of heightened epicurean tastes. For instance, in the pockets of his captain's jacket which was recovered from wreck in very recent decades, there were two t-bone stakes, a bottle of Worcestershire sauce and three dozen packages of unopened prophylectics, as well as several sugar cubes, packaged in water-safe, sealed, individual bakelite containers.

There was a huge number of high ranking teenage analysts on the Mainland of America, as well as on the island of Manhattan, who sharply decried the obviously lacking intervention by Superbman. Had he appeared on time, the whole disaster could have been avoided. For instance, he could have speed-welded fifty-thousand tons of Swedish steel, or pushed the ice cube out of the way in time.

A third theory suggests that it was not an iceberg at all that sank the Titanic, but a delegation of underwater explorers from Io, the seventh moon of Jupiter, who were perplexed when their instruments showed an "iron fish, size of lower Manhattan, swimming upstream most likely to spawn, and there was a lot of seismic activity that indicated a very large amount of love-acts in their functional process stages, in the fish's innards. Our team leaders' impromptu conference decreed that the most feasible and efficient yet humane way of deflating the ovaries of this mother ship would be to drill a hole in its abdomen, all the way to its ovaries, and then scrape them out and then in the future, use them for keeping dushes in it." This surgical maneuver is sometimes referred to as "two eggs ovaries-y."


This has been a public service global entertainment value for the adult family of humans.


Can Superbman kick Superman's azz?

AdventureBegins's photo
Sat 03/10/12 07:26 PM
The Titanic was doomed from the moment men decried...

'Even God could not sink this ship...'

Why in the world would anyone tempt fate in this way?

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Sat 03/10/12 07:29 PM

The Titanic was doomed from the moment men decried...

'Even God could not sink this ship...'

Why in the world would anyone tempt fate in this way?



...nice. xD

Totage's photo
Sat 03/10/12 07:30 PM

If Titanic hit the Iceberg head on would it have sank?


Yes, the Titanic sank because of the pride of man.

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Sat 03/10/12 07:34 PM


If Titanic hit the Iceberg head on would it have sank?


Yes, the Titanic sank because of the pride of man.


..and the cowardice of a captain. -.-

no photo
Sat 03/10/12 08:31 PM


No, it would have crumpled the bow but the watertight doors would have
sectioned it off.

The reason the ship sank was because so many plates were damaged along the side that too many compartments flooded.
If you drive a 45,500 ton boat head into a 500,000 ton block of ice,,, its going to sink


I'm calling ******** on that claim. It's absolutely possible to design a 45k ton boat that can survive a head on collision with a 500k-ton block of ice.

AdventureBegins's photo
Sat 03/10/12 08:44 PM



No, it would have crumpled the bow but the watertight doors would have
sectioned it off.

The reason the ship sank was because so many plates were damaged along the side that too many compartments flooded.
If you drive a 45,500 ton boat head into a 500,000 ton block of ice,,, its going to sink


I'm calling ******** on that claim. It's absolutely possible to design a 45k ton boat that can survive a head on collision with a 500k-ton block of ice.

At full speed ahead IF it collided bow on the ship might have survived (sorta).

However the vector forces of the sudden stop would have killed everyone on board right quick and without mercy.

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Sun 03/11/12 12:58 AM

However the vector forces of the sudden stop would have killed everyone on board right quick and without mercy.


o.O

..how fast did the Titanic go? o.O

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