Topic: Titanic Question
Conrad_73's photo
Sun 03/11/12 01:25 AM




No, it would have crumpled the bow but the watertight doors would have
sectioned it off.

The reason the ship sank was because so many plates were damaged along the side that too many compartments flooded.
If you drive a 45,500 ton boat head into a 500,000 ton block of ice,,, its going to sink


I'm calling ******** on that claim. It's absolutely possible to design a 45k ton boat that can survive a head on collision with a 500k-ton block of ice.

At full speed ahead IF it collided bow on the ship might have survived (sorta).

However the vector forces of the sudden stop would have killed everyone on board right quick and without mercy.
Light-Speed?laugh

metalwing's photo
Sun 03/11/12 09:59 AM




No, it would have crumpled the bow but the watertight doors would have
sectioned it off.

The reason the ship sank was because so many plates were damaged along the side that too many compartments flooded.
If you drive a 45,500 ton boat head into a 500,000 ton block of ice,,, its going to sink


I'm calling ******** on that claim. It's absolutely possible to design a 45k ton boat that can survive a head on collision with a 500k-ton block of ice.

At full speed ahead IF it collided bow on the ship might have survived (sorta).

However the vector forces of the sudden stop would have killed everyone on board right quick and without mercy.


Ha ha. Hardly! The Titanic was traveling around 24 mph. Stopping the ship from an immovable object probably would have crushed 50 feet or so of the front of the ship giving a deceleration of less than 1/2 gee force.

Think about how much gee force and how long it takes your car to stop from 24 mph over 50 feet. The stoppage would have made some people fall from surprise but most people probable would not even have fallen over and few people would have been hurt.

Optomistic69's photo
Sun 03/11/12 10:12 AM

If Titanic hit the Iceberg head on would it have sank?


Don't know. Although Samson and Goliath are still Standing...we ain't building anymore. We are looking forward to many thousands of Americans visiting Belfast this Summer for the 100th Anniversary.

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Sun 03/11/12 03:54 PM

Ha ha. Hardly! The Titanic was traveling around 24 mph. Stopping the ship from an immovable object probably would have crushed 50 feet or so of the front of the ship giving a deceleration of less than 1/2 gee force.

Think about how much gee force and how long it takes your car to stop from 24 mph over 50 feet. The stoppage would have made some people fall from surprise but most people probable would not even have fallen over and few people would have been hurt.


..that's what I was thinking.

That response made me wonder if the Titanic had like fifteen hemi's under the hood. :O

..maybe some noz too.

AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 03/11/12 08:31 PM





No, it would have crumpled the bow but the watertight doors would have
sectioned it off.

The reason the ship sank was because so many plates were damaged along the side that too many compartments flooded.
If you drive a 45,500 ton boat head into a 500,000 ton block of ice,,, its going to sink


I'm calling ******** on that claim. It's absolutely possible to design a 45k ton boat that can survive a head on collision with a 500k-ton block of ice.

At full speed ahead IF it collided bow on the ship might have survived (sorta).

However the vector forces of the sudden stop would have killed everyone on board right quick and without mercy.


Ha ha. Hardly! The Titanic was traveling around 24 mph. Stopping the ship from an immovable object probably would have crushed 50 feet or so of the front of the ship giving a deceleration of less than 1/2 gee force.

Think about how much gee force and how long it takes your car to stop from 24 mph over 50 feet. The stoppage would have made some people fall from surprise but most people probable would not even have fallen over and few people would have been hurt.

Actually the bow would have 'rode' up on the ice before full stop. However you are looking at the G forces effecting the ship. I was speaking of the 'unseatbelted' passengers and a sudden collision with bulkheads caused by the ship stoping and the passengers not.

Unprotected humans do not fare well against steel and pipes.

metalwing's photo
Sun 03/11/12 10:39 PM






No, it would have crumpled the bow but the watertight doors would have
sectioned it off.

The reason the ship sank was because so many plates were damaged along the side that too many compartments flooded.
If you drive a 45,500 ton boat head into a 500,000 ton block of ice,,, its going to sink


I'm calling ******** on that claim. It's absolutely possible to design a 45k ton boat that can survive a head on collision with a 500k-ton block of ice.

At full speed ahead IF it collided bow on the ship might have survived (sorta).

However the vector forces of the sudden stop would have killed everyone on board right quick and without mercy.


Ha ha. Hardly! The Titanic was traveling around 24 mph. Stopping the ship from an immovable object probably would have crushed 50 feet or so of the front of the ship giving a deceleration of less than 1/2 gee force.

Think about how much gee force and how long it takes your car to stop from 24 mph over 50 feet. The stoppage would have made some people fall from surprise but most people probable would not even have fallen over and few people would have been hurt.

Actually the bow would have 'rode' up on the ice before full stop. However you are looking at the G forces effecting the ship. I was speaking of the 'unseatbelted' passengers and a sudden collision with bulkheads caused by the ship stoping and the passengers not.

Unprotected humans do not fare well against steel and pipes.


It was less than half a gee. That is like a dance floor move.

AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 03/12/12 02:26 PM







No, it would have crumpled the bow but the watertight doors would have
sectioned it off.

The reason the ship sank was because so many plates were damaged along the side that too many compartments flooded.
If you drive a 45,500 ton boat head into a 500,000 ton block of ice,,, its going to sink


I'm calling ******** on that claim. It's absolutely possible to design a 45k ton boat that can survive a head on collision with a 500k-ton block of ice.

At full speed ahead IF it collided bow on the ship might have survived (sorta).

However the vector forces of the sudden stop would have killed everyone on board right quick and without mercy.


Ha ha. Hardly! The Titanic was traveling around 24 mph. Stopping the ship from an immovable object probably would have crushed 50 feet or so of the front of the ship giving a deceleration of less than 1/2 gee force.

Think about how much gee force and how long it takes your car to stop from 24 mph over 50 feet. The stoppage would have made some people fall from surprise but most people probable would not even have fallen over and few people would have been hurt.

Actually the bow would have 'rode' up on the ice before full stop. However you are looking at the G forces effecting the ship. I was speaking of the 'unseatbelted' passengers and a sudden collision with bulkheads caused by the ship stoping and the passengers not.

Unprotected humans do not fare well against steel and pipes.


It was less than half a gee. That is like a dance floor move.

Would have been the same as a car coliding with a wall. Vessel was not going 24 MPH. Vessel was moving at 24KNOTS. (1.6 miles to).

In addition to the straight line vector you would have also had the addend of the 'twist' vector supplied by the bow riding up on the ice violently.

But then none of this matters.

Titanic was doomed the moment man's pride made it greater than God...

The Earth itself is not that great.

what made us think someting made of steel wrested from the Earth to be so powerful?

metalwing's photo
Mon 03/12/12 04:05 PM








No, it would have crumpled the bow but the watertight doors would have
sectioned it off.

The reason the ship sank was because so many plates were damaged along the side that too many compartments flooded.
If you drive a 45,500 ton boat head into a 500,000 ton block of ice,,, its going to sink


I'm calling ******** on that claim. It's absolutely possible to design a 45k ton boat that can survive a head on collision with a 500k-ton block of ice.

At full speed ahead IF it collided bow on the ship might have survived (sorta).

However the vector forces of the sudden stop would have killed everyone on board right quick and without mercy.


Ha ha. Hardly! The Titanic was traveling around 24 mph. Stopping the ship from an immovable object probably would have crushed 50 feet or so of the front of the ship giving a deceleration of less than 1/2 gee force.

Think about how much gee force and how long it takes your car to stop from 24 mph over 50 feet. The stoppage would have made some people fall from surprise but most people probable would not even have fallen over and few people would have been hurt.

Actually the bow would have 'rode' up on the ice before full stop. However you are looking at the G forces effecting the ship. I was speaking of the 'unseatbelted' passengers and a sudden collision with bulkheads caused by the ship stoping and the passengers not.

Unprotected humans do not fare well against steel and pipes.


It was less than half a gee. That is like a dance floor move.

Would have been the same as a car coliding with a wall. Vessel was not going 24 MPH. Vessel was moving at 24KNOTS. (1.6 miles to).

In addition to the straight line vector you would have also had the addend of the 'twist' vector supplied by the bow riding up on the ice violently.

But then none of this matters.

Titanic was doomed the moment man's pride made it greater than God...

The Earth itself is not that great.

what made us think someting made of steel wrested from the Earth to be so powerful?


From the physics website:

The speed of the Titanic was gradually increased after leaving Queenstown. The first day's run was 464 miles, the second day's run was 519 miles, the third day's run was 546 miles. Just prior to the collision the ship was making her maximum speed of the voyage - not less than 21 knots, or 24 1/4 miles per hour.

JERMANICUS's photo
Mon 03/12/12 04:24 PM
It cost more to make the movie Titanic than it did to build the Titanic.

wux's photo
Fri 03/16/12 02:37 AM


Would have been the same as a car coliding with a wall. Vessel was not going 24 MPH. Vessel was moving at 24KNOTS. (1.6 miles to).

In addition to the straight line vector you would have also had the addend of the 'twist' vector supplied by the bow riding up on the ice violently.

But then none of this matters.

Titanic was doomed the moment man's pride made it greater than God...

The Earth itself is not that great.

what made us think someting made of steel wrested from the Earth to be so powerful?


So... if I read you correctly, the true cause of the titanic sinking was that man defied god and he dissed Him.

This was the true cause, you say.

You also say there is another plausible, but actually untrue cause, and those are the physical laws of the world.

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I challenge that on the basis of the following:

I say and have said many times, that god does not exist; therefore god is smaller than man coz an inexistent thing occupies no space, and no space is smaller than my three cubic feet of existence. According to you, god has killed me before. That is apparently not true, because I am still alive.

I say that Mr. Jones and everyone else before him and after him who had swallowed lethal dozes of poison, died.

This is not without fail.

The god-revenge is with fail.

Furthermore, when the alleged god allegedly kills people, it is always in a way that is executed by executors that comply with the physical laws of the physical world.

So please observe:

- many people who commit a sin, never die due to the committing.
- all people who die always die due to physical reasons.
- each and every one of the people who die due to sinful reasons, also has a completely satisfactory death caused by physical forces.

If we subtract god from the picture, we reduce the three to:

- all people die due to physical reasons.

If we subtract the physical cause, we get

- some people die due to religious vengence by god but not all who sin or insult him.

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Here I see a complete compliance to physical reasons, and an incomplete, inexplicable, incompliance to religious reasons.

This is queer, and I say that on the basis of probabilities and reason, i can safely eschew that god bumps his children all of whom he loves the most each and every one to death, because they dissed him.

wux's photo
Fri 03/16/12 02:39 AM

It cost more to make the movie Titanic than it did to build the Titanic.


And they sank the maquette (model) as well.

The difference is that the second sinking of the second titanic made lots of money for the studios, more than the making of the film cost.

no photo
Fri 03/16/12 08:23 PM

It cost more to make the movie Titanic than it did to build the Titanic.


This is interesting in several ways.

mightymoe's photo
Fri 03/16/12 08:26 PM

No, it would have crumpled the bow but the watertight doors would have
sectioned it off.

The reason the ship sank was because so many plates were damaged along the side that too many compartments flooded.


wrong... watertight integrity was invented by the Germans in WW2, the Bismark was the first ship to have watertight compartments. thats why it was so hard to sink.

metalwing's photo
Fri 03/16/12 10:19 PM


No, it would have crumpled the bow but the watertight doors would have
sectioned it off.

The reason the ship sank was because so many plates were damaged along the side that too many compartments flooded.


wrong... watertight integrity was invented by the Germans in WW2, the Bismark was the first ship to have watertight compartments. thats why it was so hard to sink.


The watertight compartments of the Titanic are described here:

http://www.titanic-titanic.com/titanic_watertight_compartments.shtml

mightymoe's photo
Sat 03/17/12 12:18 AM



No, it would have crumpled the bow but the watertight doors would have
sectioned it off.

The reason the ship sank was because so many plates were damaged along the side that too many compartments flooded.


wrong... watertight integrity was invented by the Germans in WW2, the Bismark was the first ship to have watertight compartments. thats why it was so hard to sink.


The watertight compartments of the Titanic are described here:

http://www.titanic-titanic.com/titanic_watertight_compartments.shtml
thats why i said watertight integrity. 15 watertight compartments (that didn't work)on a 900 foot ship is really nothing. thats why her sister (britanica) ship sank too, same design. The germans were great engineers, and gave the Bismark watertight integrity, by means of smaller compartments and watertight doors that the crew could easily open and shut, and all doors/hatches were shut at all times. but i stand corrected, i did say watertight compartments when i meant watertight integrity. my mistake.

no photo
Mon 03/19/12 05:45 AM
Edited by volant7 on Mon 03/19/12 05:47 AM
jp morgan had secretly switched ships with an already wrecked ship

it was meant to sink to commit insurance fraud also a couple human

sacrifices would be lost

this is why they took out extra insurance against terrorism 3 months

before 911 and are collecting on two separate attacks

the building was loaded with asbestos and the rescue workers got

sick

when there 90 and theres two left then they will then cut them a

check



this is why the super rich keep getting even richer

they never make a bad investment




AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 03/19/12 10:27 AM



Would have been the same as a car coliding with a wall. Vessel was not going 24 MPH. Vessel was moving at 24KNOTS. (1.6 miles to).

In addition to the straight line vector you would have also had the addend of the 'twist' vector supplied by the bow riding up on the ice violently.

But then none of this matters.

Titanic was doomed the moment man's pride made it greater than God...

The Earth itself is not that great.

what made us think someting made of steel wrested from the Earth to be so powerful?


So... if I read you correctly, the true cause of the titanic sinking was that man defied god and he dissed Him.

This was the true cause, you say.

You also say there is another plausible, but actually untrue cause, and those are the physical laws of the world.

-------------


I said not what you post.

I said We got a bit Prideful of our Metal Ship. (as though we were greater that all things).

Pride leads to a lack of oversight on such things as good sense warrents.

Nature then rises up and smacks us for our lack of foresight...

Human error sank the Titanic. (combined with overwheening pride).

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 03/19/12 11:49 AM

jp morgan had secretly switched ships with an already wrecked ship

it was meant to sink to commit insurance fraud also a couple human

sacrifices would be lost

this is why they took out extra insurance against terrorism 3 months

before 911 and are collecting on two separate attacks

the building was loaded with asbestos and the rescue workers got

sick

when there 90 and theres two left then they will then cut them a

check



this is why the super rich keep getting even richer

they never make a bad investment




OMG,what world are you living in?

motowndowntown's photo
Mon 03/19/12 03:37 PM




No, it would have crumpled the bow but the watertight doors would have
sectioned it off.

The reason the ship sank was because so many plates were damaged along the side that too many compartments flooded.


wrong... watertight integrity was invented by the Germans in WW2, the Bismark was the first ship to have watertight compartments. thats why it was so hard to sink.


The watertight compartments of the Titanic are described here:

http://www.titanic-titanic.com/titanic_watertight_compartments.shtml
thats why i said watertight integrity. 15 watertight compartments (that didn't work)on a 900 foot ship is really nothing. thats why her sister (britanica) ship sank too, same design. The germans were great engineers, and gave the Bismark watertight integrity, by means of smaller compartments and watertight doors that the crew could easily open and shut, and all doors/hatches were shut at all times. but i stand corrected, i did say watertight compartments when i meant watertight integrity. my mistake.


The Titanic was designed to float with a couple of its water tight
compartments flooded. The ship sand because too much of the side of the ship was damaged and too many compartments flooded. Also the watertight bulkheads did not rise all the way to the top of the ship. As one section flooded it cascaded over into the next and so on.

The Bismark was a war ship designed to take a certain amount of damage. The Titanic was a passenger ship. One of the reasons the
Bismark was sunk was because German engineers designed it with a faulty rudder system. The ships single rudder was damaged by a torpedo and the ship was unable to maneuver properly and thus was unable to escape the British pursuit.

mightymoe's photo
Mon 03/19/12 03:41 PM





No, it would have crumpled the bow but the watertight doors would have
sectioned it off.

The reason the ship sank was because so many plates were damaged along the side that too many compartments flooded.


wrong... watertight integrity was invented by the Germans in WW2, the Bismark was the first ship to have watertight compartments. thats why it was so hard to sink.


The watertight compartments of the Titanic are described here:

http://www.titanic-titanic.com/titanic_watertight_compartments.shtml
thats why i said watertight integrity. 15 watertight compartments (that didn't work)on a 900 foot ship is really nothing. thats why her sister (britanica) ship sank too, same design. The germans were great engineers, and gave the Bismark watertight integrity, by means of smaller compartments and watertight doors that the crew could easily open and shut, and all doors/hatches were shut at all times. but i stand corrected, i did say watertight compartments when i meant watertight integrity. my mistake.


The Titanic was designed to float with a couple of its water tight
compartments flooded. The ship sand because too much of the side of the ship was damaged and too many compartments flooded. Also the watertight bulkheads did not rise all the way to the top of the ship. As one section flooded it cascaded over into the next and so on.

The Bismark was a war ship designed to take a certain amount of damage. The Titanic was a passenger ship. One of the reasons the
Bismark was sunk was because German engineers designed it with a faulty rudder system. The ships single rudder was damaged by a torpedo and the ship was unable to maneuver properly and thus was unable to escape the British pursuit.



i'm not sure about faulty, but it took a hit that damaged it and it could only do circles till it was sunk. and it still took 3 British ships to sink it...