Topic: Another School Shooting
smart2009's photo
Wed 02/29/12 10:19 PM
Inside chaotic life of Ohio shooting suspect.
http://m.cbsnews.com/fullstory.rbml?catid=57388013&feed_id=0&videofeed=36

Lpdon's photo
Wed 02/29/12 10:33 PM
I hope they execute this jerk.

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/01/12 12:12 AM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 03/01/12 12:15 AM

Sexually assaulted twice and you still decide to not protect yourself?



I choose not to walk around with the worst case scenario in my head. Even though it has happened to me, I still keep the perspective that its RARE. There is no guaranteed method to prevent or protect, because we cant control all variables.

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Thu 03/01/12 09:06 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Thu 03/01/12 09:13 AM


Sexually assaulted twice and you still decide to not protect yourself?



I choose not to walk around with the worst case scenario in my head. Even though it has happened to me, I still keep the perspective that its RARE. There is no guaranteed method to prevent or protect, because we cant control all variables.
Does owning a fire extinguisher place the worry of a fire in the fore front of your mind 24/7?

The reality is that once you have trained, and become comfortable carrying a firearm it becomes an item no different than your cell phone. I have a decade of experience that informs this understanding.

It becomes an extension of your own capabilities, just like the cell phone, just like the fire extinguisher.

Every normal sane person who carries, of which there are ~ 1 million in the US, hopes to never have to use it, but if our lives are on the line we have a capability that most victims do not have.

Choosing to remain powerless and hoping to not be the statistic is neive, coming from a person who has been assulted multiple times . . . well, its not my purpose to insult you, but you ARE deceiving yourself.

From what little I know of you, from reading your kind words on many of these topics, I think you are a good person. Its the good people of this world who need to confront the harsh realities and take strides against those that would do us harm.

Its been 5 years since my first love, and best friend was brutally murdered. I would give anything to change the past, but I cant, so I work to change the minds of good people like you, that self protection is important. I want to help people understand.

I grew up in a house hold were firearms were banned. My mother was deathly afraid, she shared your mentality that fewer guns meant fewer shootings, and she didn't want to be a part of the problem.

So I grew up mostly ignorant of firearms, at age 12 I did get some training from my uncle, who knew that someday I might be confronted with firearms, and needed to understand safety. He did this in secret becuase he knew my mother would not approve, he didn't even tell my father. I owe him that.

Along the way many things happened to slowly change my mothers mind. At first she believed her faith in god would protect her, but as the years past and tragedies built up she started to give more credit to the idea that god wanted us to build our own destinies.

One night a knock on my mothers door at 2AM started her away from her computer puzzles. Three men stood at the door as she looked out the window. They demanded to be let in, of course she refused. What worried her was that the door was not very sturdy and if they had wanted to they could have easily kicked in the door. She yelled that she was calling the police and they left. Two weeks later her home was broken into and all of our family heirlooms, personal effects and valuables were stolen and three cats were killed.

One week later she went with me to purchase her first firearm. She is now determined to not be a victim.

It is up to us to forge our own destinies, and no one, god or otherwise can protect you when you are all alone at night with a small piece of wood between you and possible extreme violence.

Everyday when we walk out into the world we take thousands of chances, you are right in that we cannot control all of these risks. What we can control is our abilities to meet them head on, prepared and armed. Not however if the government strips us of our capabilities. The only greater injustice than having someone harm you, is to have a faceless entity disarm you so that you cannot meet the risk head on.


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Thu 03/01/12 09:14 AM
They killed three cats? How awful and pointless!

I am a cat whisperer. According to the goddess Bast, the penalty for killing a cat is death. Too bad for those guys. I hope they got their just punishment. :angry:

Okay ... I imagine if that were my house and someone killed my cats. I like to imagine that I would secretly hunt them down and carry out their sentence.



Cat killers must die.pitchfork pitchfork

The goddess Bast is the protector of women and cats.

Rapists must die. pitchfork pitchfork

(That was my vengeful alternate personality speaking, don't be too alarmed.)

:wink:



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Thu 03/01/12 09:16 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Thu 03/01/12 09:17 AM

They killed three cats? How awful and pointless!

I am a cat whisperer. According to the goddess Bast, the penalty for killing a cat is death. Too bad for those guys. I hope they got their just punishment. :angry:

Okay ... I imagine if that were my house and someone killed my cats. I like to imagine that I would secretly hunt them down and carry out their sentence.



Cat killers must die.pitchfork pitchfork

The goddess Bast is the protector of women and cats.

Rapists must die. pitchfork pitchfork

(That was my vengeful alternate personality speaking, don't be too alarmed.)

:wink:



It was needless. 2 of the thugs were captured by police, apparently they were breaking into the military base so right now they are being held in federal prison. Sadly my mother did not get any of her things back.

What it shows is that these were violent people. They came when she was home alone, who knows what there original intentions were. The second time they came she was not home thankfully.

no photo
Thu 03/01/12 09:20 AM


They killed three cats? How awful and pointless!

I am a cat whisperer. According to the goddess Bast, the penalty for killing a cat is death. Too bad for those guys. I hope they got their just punishment. :angry:

Okay ... I imagine if that were my house and someone killed my cats. I like to imagine that I would secretly hunt them down and carry out their sentence.



Cat killers must die.pitchfork pitchfork

The goddess Bast is the protector of women and cats.

Rapists must die. pitchfork pitchfork

(That was my vengeful alternate personality speaking, don't be too alarmed.)

:wink:



It was needless. 2 of the thugs were captured by police, apparently they were breaking into the military base so right now they are being held in federal prison. Sadly my mother did not get any of her things back.

What it shows is that these were violent people. They came when she was home alone, who knows what there original intentions were. The second time they came she was not home thankfully.


If they would kill cats, (who don't attack like dogs might) then they were just killers. They would have killed people too.

That had to be very frightening.


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Thu 03/01/12 09:29 AM



They killed three cats? How awful and pointless!

I am a cat whisperer. According to the goddess Bast, the penalty for killing a cat is death. Too bad for those guys. I hope they got their just punishment. :angry:

Okay ... I imagine if that were my house and someone killed my cats. I like to imagine that I would secretly hunt them down and carry out their sentence.



Cat killers must die.pitchfork pitchfork

The goddess Bast is the protector of women and cats.

Rapists must die. pitchfork pitchfork

(That was my vengeful alternate personality speaking, don't be too alarmed.)

:wink:



It was needless. 2 of the thugs were captured by police, apparently they were breaking into the military base so right now they are being held in federal prison. Sadly my mother did not get any of her things back.

What it shows is that these were violent people. They came when she was home alone, who knows what there original intentions were. The second time they came she was not home thankfully.


If they would kill cats, (who don't attack like dogs might) then they were just killers. They would have killed people too.

That had to be very frightening.


Yup, and knowing killers are out there is all I need as justification to be armed.

You wouldn't go out into the African savannah without the means to protect against lions, why would you go out into society without being prepared for killers?

Yes, the murder stats are low, chances are you will never use the gun. I do not however see myself as a stat, I am a real person, so was my friend, so is my mother, stats shouldn't make you feel safe.

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Thu 03/01/12 09:37 AM
Not only knowing that, we have recently learned that there are more psychopaths out there that we thought. A psychopathic killer can't be reasoned with in the normal way. They have no pity or compassion or ethics or morals.


msharmony's photo
Thu 03/01/12 03:48 PM



Sexually assaulted twice and you still decide to not protect yourself?



I choose not to walk around with the worst case scenario in my head. Even though it has happened to me, I still keep the perspective that its RARE. There is no guaranteed method to prevent or protect, because we cant control all variables.
Does owning a fire extinguisher place the worry of a fire in the fore front of your mind 24/7?

The reality is that once you have trained, and become comfortable carrying a firearm it becomes an item no different than your cell phone. I have a decade of experience that informs this understanding.

It becomes an extension of your own capabilities, just like the cell phone, just like the fire extinguisher.

Every normal sane person who carries, of which there are ~ 1 million in the US, hopes to never have to use it, but if our lives are on the line we have a capability that most victims do not have.

Choosing to remain powerless and hoping to not be the statistic is neive, coming from a person who has been assulted multiple times . . . well, its not my purpose to insult you, but you ARE deceiving yourself.

From what little I know of you, from reading your kind words on many of these topics, I think you are a good person. Its the good people of this world who need to confront the harsh realities and take strides against those that would do us harm.

Its been 5 years since my first love, and best friend was brutally murdered. I would give anything to change the past, but I cant, so I work to change the minds of good people like you, that self protection is important. I want to help people understand.

I grew up in a house hold were firearms were banned. My mother was deathly afraid, she shared your mentality that fewer guns meant fewer shootings, and she didn't want to be a part of the problem.

So I grew up mostly ignorant of firearms, at age 12 I did get some training from my uncle, who knew that someday I might be confronted with firearms, and needed to understand safety. He did this in secret becuase he knew my mother would not approve, he didn't even tell my father. I owe him that.

Along the way many things happened to slowly change my mothers mind. At first she believed her faith in god would protect her, but as the years past and tragedies built up she started to give more credit to the idea that god wanted us to build our own destinies.

One night a knock on my mothers door at 2AM started her away from her computer puzzles. Three men stood at the door as she looked out the window. They demanded to be let in, of course she refused. What worried her was that the door was not very sturdy and if they had wanted to they could have easily kicked in the door. She yelled that she was calling the police and they left. Two weeks later her home was broken into and all of our family heirlooms, personal effects and valuables were stolen and three cats were killed.

One week later she went with me to purchase her first firearm. She is now determined to not be a victim.

It is up to us to forge our own destinies, and no one, god or otherwise can protect you when you are all alone at night with a small piece of wood between you and possible extreme violence.

Everyday when we walk out into the world we take thousands of chances, you are right in that we cannot control all of these risks. What we can control is our abilities to meet them head on, prepared and armed. Not however if the government strips us of our capabilities. The only greater injustice than having someone harm you, is to have a faceless entity disarm you so that you cannot meet the risk head on.




there is nothing in my life, that I wasnt BORN with, that I want or need to have with me EVERYWHERE I go,, including a cell phone

I just choose not to lead such a life, I have a fire extinguisher at home, but I dont think about it because its strictly preventive and nothing that is able to harm anyone

a gun, is a totally different type of 'tool', in my opinion, and I cant be convinced to feel a need for one at my side 24/7


but then, Im probably one of few who rarely if ever carries or uses a cell phone either,,,

andrewzooms's photo
Thu 03/01/12 03:56 PM
Compared to all industrial nations why is gun violence so high in The United States?


msharmony's photo
Thu 03/01/12 03:58 PM

Compared to all industrial nations why is gun violence so high in The United States?





I believe its our culture, personally


andrewzooms's photo
Thu 03/01/12 04:06 PM
I believe all the shooters main motivation is our foreign policy.

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/01/12 04:08 PM
laugh laugh


ego, greed, and desperation are pretty much the driving forces for most violence

and we have and promote plenty of the first two in our culture

and we create plenty of the third with some of our policies,,,

andrewzooms's photo
Thu 03/01/12 04:09 PM
Gun Violence.

United States - 11,127 (3.601/100,000)
Germany – 381 (0.466/100,000)
France – 255 (0.389/100,000)
Canada – 165 (0.484/100,000)
United Kingdom – 68 (0.109/100,000)
Australia – 65 (0.292/100,000)
Japan – 39 (0.030/100,000)


msharmony's photo
Thu 03/01/12 04:12 PM

Gun Violence.

United States - 11,127 (3.601/100,000)
Germany – 381 (0.466/100,000)
France – 255 (0.389/100,000)
Canada – 165 (0.484/100,000)
United Kingdom – 68 (0.109/100,000)
Australia – 65 (0.292/100,000)
Japan – 39 (0.030/100,000)





I think several of those have a 'social' type structure where the masses have a culture where taking care of the weakest is not a burden = less desperation and less ego



andrewzooms's photo
Thu 03/01/12 04:19 PM
At least you are not blaming video games or Marilyn Manson like the idiots in the media do.

Lpdon's photo
Thu 03/01/12 05:28 PM



They killed three cats? How awful and pointless!

I am a cat whisperer. According to the goddess Bast, the penalty for killing a cat is death. Too bad for those guys. I hope they got their just punishment. :angry:

Okay ... I imagine if that were my house and someone killed my cats. I like to imagine that I would secretly hunt them down and carry out their sentence.



Cat killers must die.pitchfork pitchfork

The goddess Bast is the protector of women and cats.

Rapists must die. pitchfork pitchfork

(That was my vengeful alternate personality speaking, don't be too alarmed.)

:wink:



It was needless. 2 of the thugs were captured by police, apparently they were breaking into the military base so right now they are being held in federal prison. Sadly my mother did not get any of her things back.

What it shows is that these were violent people. They came when she was home alone, who knows what there original intentions were. The second time they came she was not home thankfully.


If they would kill cats, (who don't attack like dogs might) then they were just killers. They would have killed people too.

That had to be very frightening.




Ummmmmmm they kill cats in China and they are served in almost all of the restaurants there.

Lpdon's photo
Thu 03/01/12 05:29 PM

Compared to all industrial nations why is gun violence so high in The United States?




Because they passed the Brady bill.

Lpdon's photo
Thu 03/01/12 05:30 PM
So this punk is going to be tried as a kid and not an adult. mad That district attorney needs to be pulled from office. This should be a capitol case.