Yeah just strap a gun on everybody. That is such bullchit. I agree on protecting your home but I don't want a bunch out on the streets with them. People can't act right without a gun. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't know how to act right with one......

Alot of kids seem to have no hope for the future kids who should be in their prime with a future ahead are on anti depresents and prozac. These are bleak times to be young for sure. This society is not well. Kids are just flipping out its a symptom of something.

Anyhow the local news had the Chardon school superintendant on TV and he reminded everyone to hug their kids today, thats the best advice I have heard all day.

my thoughts exactly,,,,,

No we need to have armed police and security officers at the schools who are also trained investigators. That will help with this problem.

Personaly I think it would make it worse. Imagine the environment these kids would have with a bunch of little nazis running around snooping face book and twitter comments "investigateing" every comment and interegateing them.

There are environmental factors in play that cause these kids to snap, poor oppertunity for a future is one of them. Typical police state mentality is to do as you suggest.

I can only imagine the political points that would be scored if this kid was a mexican immigrant.

true. Im not for a militarized environment either. Nor am I for arming every tom dick and harry with an ego and a temper either.

As you can imagine this being local news its a 24/7 topic of conversation. My kids friends mom works at the Chardon high school, from what I gather all the warning signs were there and a person of authority was even told about some twitter posteings.

Still best advice from the superintendant hug your kids.

and then let them go like Lambs to the Slaughter without ever resolving the problem?

My high school had about 1000 people. No security.

The school I went to in Arkansas had no security. Every boy carried a knife. Some of the teachers had guns. There were no knife fights, no shootings, but the occasional fist fight. The idea that we need a nanny state to keep us in line is offensive to say the least.

Pure emotional speculation. What you want is irrelevant to the nature of the environment. You live in an environment that contains both law abiding, and non-law abiding citizens. Your wants do not change that fact.

An armed society is a polite society. 100% of criminals think they can get away with it. A % less than that are correct, if more people carried firearms the % would be lower.

Fact: Most people do not want to kill someone.
Fact: Most of the folks you are worried about share the mentality of the criminal and never concern themselves with getting caught doing bad things because police are so spread out and most violent crime goes unsolved.

If we had less sheep and more sheep dogs less wolves would prey on our society. These are really simple facts of the environment, they do not change becuase someone writes down a rule and expects people to follow it.

Responsibility starts with yourself. Consequences that EVERYONE, criminals AND law abiding citizen both respect only come from the environment. Poke the tiger: get eaten, we all respect that. Step on the snake: get bitten, we all respect that. Pull out a gun in public with dozens of armed citizens: get shot.



Imagining what you want does not change these facts. Many people want all weapons to magically disappear, well sadly there is no magic. What we can change is the ability for personal responsibility and common sense to overrule the emotional magical thinking.

Egos and tempers tend to flee back into hiding when EVERYONE can stand up for themselves. Bullies do not do well in an environment without sheep.

This is why an armed society truly is a polite society. Only the mentally deranged or truly desperate try to attack a clearly armed person. This set of individuals happen to be the same set who tend to do these kinds of school shootings. So arming people will not deter this type of attack, in fact nothing will, however the people who are armed can stop it by using the firearm.

There is no other solution, the environment dictates effective and ineffective action. Guns equalize force. When a person chooses to use force to effect an outcome they are bypassing reasoning. When you equalize the force equation then they have no advantage, and are just as likely to die as to succeed in forcing there desires on others. Having a gun equals the force equation and makes it so that in order to get what a person wants they must use reasoning or risk death.

This is the keystone of civilization. Use reasoning or risk death.

Two more studens have been pronounced dead. Now there are three dead because of this.

The trouble is the rotten society these kids are groweing up in. We never had an incident in my school we never had a cop or security camera. Your cure Mr conrad arm everyone? Have cops in every hallway? We are heading for a police state for sure incidents like this allways create more oppresion and an oppresive environment for these kids to learn in.


These events to me are more a symptom of our rotten society than the lack of security.


Jusst imagine the world these kids are comeing into no jobs no future, I am not saying its any excuse but I am not at all suprised someone flips out.

How are those GUN FREE ZONES workin out for all you liberals who thought this was a good idea?

Criminals are the issue, not gun owners!

I just do not understand how we can ALL agree that we all respect the snake for its venom, we respect the tiger for its claws, we respect the ocean for its power, but we do not universally respect the gun.

On one hand we have people who will scream to protect the snake, protect the tiger, but then scream to remove the gun.

I would love for someone to explain to me why restricting access to guns via law is effective to prevent crime. Given that by definition criminals ignore law I want to understand how this is logical.

How is removing the ability for the law abiding to protect themselves from violence is good?

De-claw a cat and send it out into a violent environment and tell me you did good.

The anti 2A activist wants to change the environment. Tell me how you intend to allow the cat its freedom, and guarantee the environment wont hold violent and dangerous things. The reality is that these two factors are at odds. Freedom cannot exist were the answer is to reshape the environment. You lock the cat inside, you do not allow it outside, you prevent danger by restricting freedom.

yeah... only the criminals should be carrying weapons on the streets..

it will be far safer for all of us..

Yeah gunfights on the streets. It would be like cowboys and Indians. Sounds like fun to me. I say we do this. I know some brothers around here that carry legally. There ain't no way in hell they should be carrying a pistol....

Right so you know what you dont want . . . . this is a common problem. We have voters voting on issues they have never come up with a logical solution for.

Seriously I want someone who is against armed personal defense everywhere and anywhere to explain to me how anything they propose could possibly have an effect on this kind of situation.

The gallery gets quite when serious issues challenge their world view.


So you have gun fights in the streets? Those "brothers" carrying shooting themselves in the streets were you live?

43 states have open carry as a legal option. I carried a holstered pistol on my side for 2 years in North Carolina. Do you want to know the number of gun fights I saw? None. I carried a .44 magnum on my hip through the worst section of town, had "brothers" staring left and right, but not a word said, only reason I was there was to pick up my vehicle after it was towed.

Have you seen any gun fights anywhere other than youtube? I doubt you have, in fact if you had and still were anti-gun then Id say you are delusional.

No sane person wants to get shot. Criminals go out of there way to target and ambush unarmed victims. Seems to me those "brothers" have more sense than you. They understand the environment better than you do, they understand that to protect yourself you need claws.

Please explain to me what you think can affect a change? More laws restricting people who abide by laws? More of a police state? Personal responsibility is really the only answer.
Says you. What makes you the guardian of he who can defend themselves?

Unless the person is a violent felon there is no reason to disarm them. Edit, or mentally deranged.