They say; allah taken a son. Glorified be he! He hath no need.you have no warrant for this. Tell you concerning allah that which ye know not.....saying of allah

See.
I'm 'accusing' non-believers.
I'm accusing 'believers'.

God, himself, has done, inevitably 'nothing'. Good or bad to influence the handlings of man since, both your 'bibles' were 'written'.

"In the name of..."

This has caused wars, tyranny, and more violence than the mafia/mobs has in its centuries of existence.

I'm asking, more astutely.

What good has the 'idea' of God ever truly done for humanity?
I'm not debating, nor arguing his existence.
That's an entirely different subject, and one I'm not going to bother enlisting here.

From the warriors of feudal Japan and China.
To the Persians, Romans, and Greeks.
To the Crusaders.
To the wars that spread across the founding of America.
The Revolutionary War.
Civil and World Wars.
To terrorism and Holy Wars.
To the Holocaust and Vietnam.
To the kingdom's that rose.
To the kingdom's that fell.
To Desert Storm, Afghanistan, and Irag.

Even to the here and now.
With nations itching to drop bombs.
To nations fearful of being bombed.

There is no man, not a single one.
Who was present and accounted for in all these times.
But there is a phantom, said man of magic.
Whose presence and name was present for ALL.

You call him God.

..and I'll ask again..

Outside of perception and interpretation.
The very 'birth' or man-made creation of his name.

What good has actually come from the rising of the entity.
We now refer to as God?

From child molesting priests..
..to those who strapped C4 to their chest.

Whether he exists or he does not.
It is literally insanity within itself..
..what atrocities we have engaged in.

..all in the name of someone..

..that no one can prove or disprove actually exists.

So, I'll ask one last time..

What good has ever come..
..from the one you call God?

God isn't an "idea". And God has done alot of great things for humanity, just humanity has refused to accept these things.

Not going to discuss to much on this specific topic as this could and more then likely would turn into more of a sermon or some form of preaching the great love of God.

But just food for thought, the simple 10 commandments, what evil would come of following just the simple 10 commandments God has given us? What evil would come of obeying Jesus? Jesus taught us to even just turn the other cheek if we were hit by someone. Jesus taught passiveness and to be gentle towards one another with love and care. I'd like for you to prove me wrong on this one.

..until there is no longer room for 'disbelief', it is an idea.
Not to you, because you are 'drunk' off his existence.

Accept what things?

Above all else, even in your "Bibles", God has promoted one thing over and over and has made it distinctly clear. "Fear".

If he truly was omni, all knowing, all seeing; he would have foresaw the world turning out as it has now. And being that who he is supposed to be; he'd not have left his workings so open-ended and left for ample space for doubt to not only grow but reproduce.

His 'word' wouldn't have been 'taken out of context' through out history causing and leading to all the chaos and destruction I've already stated.

He should have been able to predict, as I but a man could have: doubt begets confusion, confusion begets chaos, chaos begets suffering and that suffering will lead to us destroying ourselves.



Yes, because he's done nothing but show that.

I wonder..

..if all the African-Americans (blacks) were all Jewish; would God have unleashed the seven plagues on slave owners?

Oh, right, I doubt it..

Since, you know, the whole Holocaust thing went on..



Commandment I: "No God Before Me". This abolishes free-will. You are no longer free to worship, or otherwise, whatever or lack there of. This alone, would cause a war.

Commandment II: "No Carved Images". See Commandment I. They go hand-in-hand anyway. Not to mention, why is God starting off so selfish? At this point, it's all and only about him.

Commandment III: "Don't Take The Lord's Name in Vain". Again, selfish and all about him; outside this, what impact does this have in any society in a positive way?

Commandment IV: "The Sabbath". Right Sundays are 'Gods' day. 4 down and we finally start talking about someone other than himself.

Commandment V: "Honor Thy Mother and Father". Yes, obey without question. Your dad commands you to kill, maim, or otherwise (which is not against a commandment YET) you by default must obey.

Commandment VI: "No Murder/Killing". ..or else what? Does this also include animals? If so, I suggest not swimming with sharks or crossing the Savannah. Lions and Tigers are feisty ya know. Not to mention, what about those who are 'out of their minds' and serial killers? If no one is 'permitted' to stop them, are we to just let them kill everyone since no one in their mind is able to retaliate? And what if said person 'out of their mind' happens to be the next, oh idk, Hitler for example. What then?

Commandment VII: "Adultery". Ok, I agree with this one.

Commandment VIII: "Stealing". Again, agree with this one.

Commandment IX: "False Witness". As mortal men, those of error or imperfection; who are we to judge who is false and who is not? If you accuse the Queen of England for Theft, but are the only one who saw such; you'd be proclaimed the false witness; whoever has more pull, has more say, and whoever has more say is deemed 'truth'.

Commandment X: "Envy" I just summed up the jist of it. Envy, itself, is not always a bad thing; as it can make one to aspire to be better or greater. If we all just settled with what we have, there'd be the lack of aspiration to be better, not just as individuals but as a race.

Those are your commandments. I can openly agree with like 20-30% of them with indifference.

The bible teaches nothing of fear. God has not told us to fear him or anything. We are to love him and everyone. Where do you get this idea of fear?

And about the lower half of this quote, he did know. Read revelations, it's prophesy after prophecy of exactly this happening.



What are you talking about? What does the Holocaust and any plagues have to do with one another? God didn't cause the holocaust to happen. People did with their own actions. You can not blame another for one's own actions.



Does not abolish free will. You still have the ability to worship other God's before him. You still have the ability not to worship any Gods eg., free will. Free will does not mean their are no laws, rules, or regulations to follow. Just means you have the ability to choose to do or not do them. You are not a robot.


And about the rest of your statements. Yes it's all about him. It's all about God and the love for him. Why would it not be? He created us, why shouldn't we love him? He blesses us every day and night, is always there for someone when in need. What is your point here?

..El Oh El.



Yes, and allowing it to still take place..
Awesome.



When it was God's people; he unleashed the plagues.
Now that it is ours or any others.. He has a strict f*** 'em policy.



You just stated, 'What is wrong if WE ALL followed the commandments?
You wish to recant?
Because obeying this, abolishes free will.
Because none can go against the commandments, aiight?



..why shouldn't it be all about him? Really?

-.-

*sigh*

..wonder why they left those rules out in the Constitution.
If the shoes fits...

Do you actually watch the news or ever leave your bedroom?
Do you not see what is going on out there?
"always there for someone in need"
WE ALL NEED HIM.

The fact I picture him presently sitting on a recliner watching a replay of the Super Bowl while devouring popcorn and Fritos..

..my point is; he isn't doing anything.
Positive, negative; nothing.

This whole scenario.

It's like telling me to worship and respect my father..
..yet I don't even know wtf he looks like.
He has no impact, positive or negative, in my 30 year life.

..so why should I?

Define respect.
Define father.
Define love.
Define caring.
Define impact.

God has done none of these outside your own 'conjured' up principles, ideals, and beliefs.

You are so entranced by the light.
You are oblivious to all the darkness that thrives and exists.

You call this 'positive' event: "God's work"
You call this 'negative' event: "Devil's work"

Yet God created the devil.

So, from your own way of thinking.

ALL is God's fault.
Even the snake that tempted.
And Eve who ate from it.

..but why the h***, would he put a tree there.
That he wanted them not to eat from?

It makes no sense, whatsoever.

..and except for your drunkness off the idea he exists..

No good has ever come from him.
Except to quell the masses during the times when people thought
"Why should we obey this guy? Who is he?"
SO to quell the said masses..
God was created.
God was on his side.
God is to be both revered and feared.

..thus once it worked..
..rebellions subsided..

God was born.

If God did not "allow" it to happen, that would be taking someone(s) free will away. It is not God's fault someone(s) obeys Satan before they obey him, that is the own person's doing. And is why we will be judged on such.



What in the world are you talking about? What does the holocost have anything to do with specifically God's doing? God has NOTHING to do with the holocaust. That was ENTIRELY an action(s) done by the mortals of this world, not God.



Whaaaaat? Things you are saying are making absolutely no sense. Even IF we ALL obeyed EVERY commandment, we would be doing it on our own free will. For there would be a possiblity one of us didn't obey. That is ALL free will is. Is the ability to choose to obey God or not obey.



Yes we all do need him. But we turned away from God in the Garden of Eden. If you wish to return to God, you have all the oppurtunity in the world to come to him. Ask and ye shall receive



Or do you just not give the credit where the credit is deserved?



Last remark on this one. Yes God did create the devil. But he did not create the Devils actions. He created Satan a beautiful and powerful angel, Satan grew an ego and thinks himself greater then God. THINKS HIMSELF greater then God, he was not made that way. He willingly became that way.

SIN AND SORROW. I THOUGHT YOU WERE A CHRISTIAN.

THIS YOUR QUOTE IS TOTALLY MEANINGLESS WORDS, WITH OUT PHRASE OR SENTENCE

Ultimately, yes, it is.
Whether you blame Satan or his perception.
It was 'in the name of God'.
That alone should be justification enough to get involved.



Egyptians? Plague.

Stay with me here.

And yes, God was present in their eyes as well.
Same God, matter of fact, that you both 'praise' now.



..then you are recanting. Mkay.



Trust me.

I've been asking.



..credit for what? o.O



..another thing he foresaw and said, meh, f*** it too I suppose.

..wait, pray tell, made you ever think that?

o.o

but are you christian? He is right you were never a christian, base on the kind of words that flow from your mouth, you are not a christian at all.

Ok, I'm going to test your theory here. I'm going to go out and kill someone and claim it is in your name. So that way you'll get the blame for it and I'll be scotfree from any responsiblity of the action(s) I took.



What are you talking about? You responded with this about the holocaust. The holocaust is when they went on a mass murder of the Jews. Which is not supported by God. God does not condone to such actions, in fact it's against his laws. Thou shalt not murder.

how could something that God created and thought to be good turn out Evil?
Perfection stays Perfection,even with "Free Will"!

God did not say he seen it perfect, he said he seen it "good".


Genesis 1:31


31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.



And besides that, why can't something that is made perfectly do something that is not perfect when it has free will? No matter how the being was created, it will behave the way it wishes eg., free will. We are not wired to not sin, for if we were, we would not have free will.

God does not make our choice, decisions, or actions. You do. They are influenced by what/whom you wish to allow to influence you.

No. Putting it simply.

I'm not Christian, nor Muslim, nor Agnostic.
I wouldn't even state I'm an atheist.

I don't know what I am, nor what you'd consider me.

So, call me what you will.

Scott-free, no.
But I'd be investigated just as well.
It's called a 'conspirator'.



..yes, which is why I am pointing out:

"Lead by example."

The Bible is filled with death. Death caused by He himself.

It's hypocritical to act and then condone others not to do as you did.

I used the Holocaust, because the relation between the Bible's plague against the Egyptians; those were, God's people. What did he do to free them? Massacred the Egyptians. Even their infant, first-born sons.

But he did nothing during the Holocaust. Where they no longer 'his children' and 'deserved' what they got simply because.. what? What is it that made them, or any of us different?

Why save them then, condone the deaths of thousands or what have you, of Egyptians, yet do nothing during the years of slavery nor during said example, the Holocaust?

That was my point.

Why show love for some, but then show nothing but abandonment for everyone after that?

Exactly.

Why create a tree, if you knew first hand we'd be tempted?

Why create an angel, if you knew first hand he'd corrupt lives for centuries upon centuries after?

Why, if you intentions solely rest in being 'good' and want to solely be known and revered as a 'being of love' do you then create evil, hatred, pain, and suffering?

"Do not worship Gods before me."

That statement itself bothers me.
Because he already predicted and knew we would.

So, why state what you'd know we'd do anyway?

None of it makes any flipping sense.

Which he should have known was a lie unto himself.
Nothing "good".. wait, recanting that.

The 'evil' produced from such far outweighs the 'good' it has produced.



..you seem to be leaving out the part, that God hadn't created man until Genesis 2.

So, what, all was good BEFORE man? This I agree.
That's where he effed up.

Now, this is where you begin to portray the snake as evil.
"Eat from the tree, you will not die."

Guess what? He wasn't lying was he?
God did when he said, 'Do not eat from this tree, for you will surely die.'

Right out the gate, Genesis leaves much cause to believe in Satan over God; because simply put; Why did God feel the need to lie?

Explain that.



..what existed by that time that even required free will?
Genesis 2; after the fact; he created shrubs, trees, rivers, and man from dust.

You've made not your point.

All you've shown is that I, a non-Christian, know the Bible pretty effin well.



..influence..

Tell that to your Hitlers, to your Tyrants, to your Kings.

Those who used and proclaimed they did such in the Name of God.

They were influenced by... God.
..that influence..
Forged the blades and bullets..
..used in war.

That has cost the lives of so many.
Last names, and faces..
Forever forgotten in the sands of time.

They will never be remembered for who they were.
..only for who they weren't.

islam is a barbaric ideology .the jews are turning the world against you .only when the jewish problem is solved will the world be at peace