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Topic: Obama Now Blames The Founding Fathers!
msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 02/07/12 09:46 PM
There are many people of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle. They're a bunch of yo-yos. The presidency is now a cross between a popularity contest and a high school debate, with an encyclopedia of cliches the first prize. There is no 'party of principle' , is an intellectually honest statement. Because parties are made of millions of people and I doubt we will find a group of humans that large who are all principled. I think the odds are some will have principles and some wont, but those who wish to get to a certain position have to know how to get there before they can ever have the necessary authority to have the impact they seek,,,, The Spook who sat by the door, learning how those who would crush you work, get close to them, and you have a better chance of changing things from within than as an outsider,,,,,its the unfortunate reality very often

AdventureBegins Joined Tue 04/10/07 Posts: 7666	Tue 02/07/12 09:55 PM
There are many people of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle. They're a bunch of yo-yos. The presidency is now a cross between a popularity contest and a high school debate, with an encyclopedia of cliches the first prize. Yep... and just as in football they all have playbooks. If the people do this... Switch to (insert expensive bill here). If the people react that way... (dust of that old unpatriotic retoric and insert expensive bill here). Yet it becomes a transparent farce... Cause when you look back to previous political contests THEY ALL STILL USE THE OLD PLAYBOOKS. The sleeping giant is awake. I can't wait till it stands up.

heavenlyboy34 Joined Fri 07/04/08 Posts: 17348	Tue 02/07/12 09:58 PM
There are many people of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle. They're a bunch of yo-yos. The presidency is now a cross between a popularity contest and a high school debate, with an encyclopedia of cliches the first prize. Yep... and just as in football they all have playbooks. If the people do this... Switch to (insert expensive bill here). If the people react that way... (dust of that old unpatriotic retoric and insert expensive bill here). Yet it becomes a transparent farce... Cause when you look back to previous political contests THEY ALL STILL USE THE OLD PLAYBOOKS. The sleeping giant is awake. I can't wait till it stands up. a-men!

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Tue 02/07/12 10:16 PM
I havent read anything about Patriot Act needing further action, even when reading the bill summary at the government site Id be interested in a documented account of it being revisited and re signed by OBama,,,, along with what other details were in the bill that would have been VETOED if it had not passed,,,, This may be related: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/27/patriot-act-extension-signed-obama-autopen_n_867851.html

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 02/07/12 11:22 PM
I havent read anything about Patriot Act needing further action, even when reading the bill summary at the government site Id be interested in a documented account of it being revisited and re signed by OBama,,,, along with what other details were in the bill that would have been VETOED if it had not passed,,,, This may be related: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/27/patriot-act-extension-signed-obama-autopen_n_867851.html thank you,,,,

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Wed 02/08/12 04:57 AM Edited by RKISIT on Wed 02/08/12 05:15 AM
Our founding fathers were idiots,they started a war because they got pissed off at England for taxing them cause England wanted money for helping out in the French/Indian War.So England taxed tea and alcohol.Well that was the icing on the cake.Funny thing is,something you'll never see in the American History books,is that when the war was over this country needed money,it was broke and guess what was taxed....Yep tea and alcohol. But our founding fathers did free the colonies from Monarchy rule.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Wed 02/08/12 05:30 AM
Our founding fathers were idiots,they started a war because they got pissed off at England for taxing them cause England wanted money for helping out in the French/Indian War.So England taxed tea and alcohol.Well that was the icing on the cake.Funny thing is,something you'll never see in the American History books,is that when the war was over this country needed money,it was broke and guess what was taxed....Yep tea and alcohol. But our founding fathers did free the colonies from Monarchy rule. and that made them Idiots????????????????

Optomistic69 Joined Mon 10/10/11 Posts: 5173	Wed 02/08/12 05:35 AM
There are many people of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle. They're a bunch of yo-yos. The presidency is now a cross between a popularity contest and a high school debate, with an encyclopedia of cliches the first prize. I concur with that..

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Wed 02/08/12 05:35 AM
Our founding fathers were idiots,they started a war because they got pissed off at England for taxing them cause England wanted money for helping out in the French/Indian War.So England taxed tea and alcohol.Well that was the icing on the cake.Funny thing is,something you'll never see in the American History books,is that when the war was over this country needed money,it was broke and guess what was taxed....Yep tea and alcohol. But our founding fathers did free the colonies from Monarchy rule. and that made them Idiots???????????????? what i mean by idiots it's fighting a war cause of certain taxes and turn around and tax the same thing after the war,oh you're right they aren't idiots i meant hypocrites,so the moral of the story is hypocrisy has been going on in this country for along time.

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Wed 02/08/12 07:08 AM
One sentence does not dictate blaming founding fathers if anything hes blaming congress "Our Founders designed a system that makes it more difficult to bring about change than I would like sometimes,” he said. Sounds like he's blaming the forefathers to me! blaming them for what? Blaming them for making it difficult to turn our country into a Socialist one.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 02/08/12 07:12 AM
One sentence does not dictate blaming founding fathers if anything hes blaming congress "Our Founders designed a system that makes it more difficult to bring about change than I would like sometimes,” he said. Sounds like he's blaming the forefathers to me! blaming them for what? Blaming them for making it difficult to turn our country into a Socialist one. well, I guess thats the nature of politics inserting things that arent said, and excusing things that are guess it keeps for interesting discussions though

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Wed 02/08/12 07:21 AM
One sentence does not dictate blaming founding fathers if anything hes blaming congress "Our Founders designed a system that makes it more difficult to bring about change than I would like sometimes,” he said. Sounds like he's blaming the forefathers to me! blaming them for what? Blaming them for making it difficult to turn our country into a Socialist one. well, I guess thats the nature of politics inserting things that arent said, and excusing things that are guess it keeps for interesting discussions though You set it up so nicely I had to do it.

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Wed 02/08/12 11:02 AM
Our founding fathers were idiots,they started a war because they got pissed off at England for taxing them cause England wanted money for helping out in the French/Indian War.So England taxed tea and alcohol.Well that was the icing on the cake.Funny thing is,something you'll never see in the American History books,is that when the war was over this country needed money,it was broke and guess what was taxed....Yep tea and alcohol. But our founding fathers did free the colonies from Monarchy rule. and that made them Idiots???????????????? what i mean by idiots it's fighting a war cause of certain taxes and turn around and tax the same thing after the war,oh you're right they aren't idiots i meant hypocrites,so the moral of the story is hypocrisy has been going on in this country for along time. The revolutionaries were not fighting to end taxation, and they never claimed to be. They were fighting for many reasons, and their main anti-tax sentiment was summarized with the slogan: "No taxation without representation" Taxing tea and alcohol after the war was in no way hypocritical, as this was done with the consent of the governed.

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Wed 02/08/12 11:06 AM
Our founding fathers were idiots,they started a war because they got pissed off at England for taxing them cause England wanted money for helping out in the French/Indian War.So England taxed tea and alcohol.Well that was the icing on the cake.Funny thing is,something you'll never see in the American History books,is that when the war was over this country needed money,it was broke and guess what was taxed....Yep tea and alcohol. But our founding fathers did free the colonies from Monarchy rule. and that made them Idiots???????????????? what i mean by idiots it's fighting a war cause of certain taxes and turn around and tax the same thing after the war,oh you're right they aren't idiots i meant hypocrites,so the moral of the story is hypocrisy has been going on in this country for along time. Thought our system is terribly corrupt, the structure is still in place that would allow us to 'fix' everything. Even today, taxation is done with the 'consent of the governed' in the same 'representational democracy' sense. If you don't like taxes, vote for congresspeople who consistently vote to reduce spending. Ron Paul 2012.

AdventureBegins Joined Tue 04/10/07 Posts: 7666	Wed 02/08/12 09:32 PM
Our founding fathers were idiots,they started a war because they got pissed off at England for taxing them cause England wanted money for helping out in the French/Indian War.So England taxed tea and alcohol.Well that was the icing on the cake.Funny thing is,something you'll never see in the American History books,is that when the war was over this country needed money,it was broke and guess what was taxed....Yep tea and alcohol. But our founding fathers did free the colonies from Monarchy rule. It was actually more than just tea and alcohol. It was also sugar and tobacco. Oh... Wait... Arnt they doing that now. Getting ready to tax sugar?

bobbyblue Joined Thu 03/29/07 Posts: 510	Wed 02/08/12 09:42 PM
He is alot better than those fools running against him. What a big joke!!!!!!

bobbyblue Joined Thu 03/29/07 Posts: 510	Wed 02/08/12 09:45 PM
The Founding Fathers freed everybody but the slaves.

AdventureBegins Joined Tue 04/10/07 Posts: 7666	Wed 02/08/12 09:53 PM
The Founding Fathers freed everybody but the slaves. Some of them tried... But Society was not mature enough to accept that. Then.

xombiegirl Joined Sun 11/20/11 Posts: 22	Wed 02/08/12 10:46 PM
Love it

xombiegirl Joined Sun 11/20/11 Posts: 22	Wed 02/08/12 10:49 PM
This is just going to be my standard response for all the political threads from now on.... Love it