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He wasn't "stuck" anywhere, for again he defeated death and resurrected. Don't know why exactly he spent specifically 3 days there. You would have to ask God himself, it was obviously in his plans, for their were prophecies of this happening. perhaps Jesus spent three days in Hell to visit Satan ...but either way he was stuck there waiting on his zombie orders from God.... And where are the verses that back this specific statement? Where did Jesus get any orders from God to resurrect? Give some verses to back that statement. It was even prophesied that Jesus would be there for 3 days. So obviously it's not that he "couldn't" come back earlier, again you'll have to ask Jesus himself why he spent specifically 3 days there. Jesus's three days in Hell just like his second coming are prophecies which mean he has no "Free Will" not to do this things...that's why he's little more than a robot Zombie for The Father prophecy always takes away "Free Will" |
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He wasn't "stuck" anywhere, for again he defeated death and resurrected. Don't know why exactly he spent specifically 3 days there. You would have to ask God himself, it was obviously in his plans, for their were prophecies of this happening. perhaps Jesus spent three days in Hell to visit Satan ...but either way he was stuck there waiting on his zombie orders from God.... And where are the verses that back this specific statement? Where did Jesus get any orders from God to resurrect? Give some verses to back that statement. It was even prophesied that Jesus would be there for 3 days. So obviously it's not that he "couldn't" come back earlier, again you'll have to ask Jesus himself why he spent specifically 3 days there. Jesus's three days in Hell just like his second coming are prophecies which mean he has no "Free Will" not to do this things...that's why he's little more than a robot Zombie for The Father prophecy always takes away "Free Will" Prophecy does not take away free will. A prophecy isn't something that HAS to happen. It is information of what is to happen. |
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Prophecy does not take away free will. A prophecy isn't something that HAS to happen. It is information of what is to happen. the fact that Jesus was stuck in Hell for three days proves your statement wrong and the question below will prove this THE QUESTION: do Jesus have the "Free Will" not to make a second coming? |
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Prophecy does not take away free will. A prophecy isn't something that HAS to happen. It is information of what is to happen. the fact that Jesus was stuck in Hell for three days proves your statement wrong and the question below will prove this THE QUESTION: do Jesus have the "Free Will" not to make a second coming? Yes, if he decided one day to not come. But why would he? What would be the point in that? Jesus did what he did on the cross for us out of love for us, not because he had to. Jesus will return for the judgement, again not because he has to, because he wishes to. He has made a plan for this world and will carry it out. |
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Prophecy does not take away free will. A prophecy isn't something that HAS to happen. It is information of what is to happen. the fact that Jesus was stuck in Hell for three days proves your statement wrong and the question below will prove this THE QUESTION: do Jesus have the "Free Will" not to make a second coming? Yes, if he decided one day to not come. But why would he? What would be the point in that? Jesus did what he did on the cross for us out of love for us, not because he had to. Jesus will return for the judgement, again not because he has to, because he wishes to. He has made a plan for this world and will carry it out. present a passage where Jesus thought for himself and decided not to do The Father's Will...this would prove your point and prove that he's not the Father's resurrected robot Zombie |
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Prophecy does not take away free will. A prophecy isn't something that HAS to happen. It is information of what is to happen. the fact that Jesus was stuck in Hell for three days proves your statement wrong and the question below will prove this THE QUESTION: do Jesus have the "Free Will" not to make a second coming? Yes, if he decided one day to not come. But why would he? What would be the point in that? Jesus did what he did on the cross for us out of love for us, not because he had to. Jesus will return for the judgement, again not because he has to, because he wishes to. He has made a plan for this world and will carry it out. present a passage where Jesus thought for himself and decided not to do The Father's Will...this would prove your point and prove that he's not the Father's resurrected robot Zombie Jesus doing the father's will shows that he has made his own decision to do so. If someone asks you to go get a glass of water, are you then a robot Zombie for them? Or are you just doing their will to be kind? |
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Prophecy does not take away free will. A prophecy isn't something that HAS to happen. It is information of what is to happen. the fact that Jesus was stuck in Hell for three days proves your statement wrong and the question below will prove this THE QUESTION: do Jesus have the "Free Will" not to make a second coming? Yes, if he decided one day to not come. But why would he? What would be the point in that? Jesus did what he did on the cross for us out of love for us, not because he had to. Jesus will return for the judgement, again not because he has to, because he wishes to. He has made a plan for this world and will carry it out. present a passage where Jesus thought for himself and decided not to do The Father's Will...this would prove your point and prove that he's not the Father's resurrected robot Zombie Jesus doing the father's will shows that he has made his own decision to do so. If someone asks you to go get a glass of water, are you then a robot Zombie for them? Or are you just doing their will to be kind? God didn't ask Jesus to get him a glass of water...according to your belief God also didn't ask Jesus if he wanted to die but decided to send Jesus here to die needlessly....that's why Jesus is a robot clone |
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Prophecy does not take away free will. A prophecy isn't something that HAS to happen. It is information of what is to happen. the fact that Jesus was stuck in Hell for three days proves your statement wrong and the question below will prove this THE QUESTION: do Jesus have the "Free Will" not to make a second coming? Yes, if he decided one day to not come. But why would he? What would be the point in that? Jesus did what he did on the cross for us out of love for us, not because he had to. Jesus will return for the judgement, again not because he has to, because he wishes to. He has made a plan for this world and will carry it out. present a passage where Jesus thought for himself and decided not to do The Father's Will...this would prove your point and prove that he's not the Father's resurrected robot Zombie Jesus doing the father's will shows that he has made his own decision to do so. If someone asks you to go get a glass of water, are you then a robot Zombie for them? Or are you just doing their will to be kind? God didn't ask Jesus to get him a glass of water...according to your belief God also didn't ask Jesus if he wanted to die but decided to send Jesus here to die needlessly....that's why Jesus is a robot clone Jesus did it on his own will. REGARDLESS if he was sent here forcibly, he did NOT HAVE to teach us or give us the new covenant. His actions of his teaching and spreading of the gospel was all done on his own free will. REGARDLESS also if there might have been some form of punishment. Having a form of punishment does NOT take free will away, for you still have the choice to obey or not. |
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Prophecy does not take away free will. A prophecy isn't something that HAS to happen. It is information of what is to happen. the fact that Jesus was stuck in Hell for three days proves your statement wrong and the question below will prove this THE QUESTION: do Jesus have the "Free Will" not to make a second coming? Yes, if he decided one day to not come. But why would he? What would be the point in that? Jesus did what he did on the cross for us out of love for us, not because he had to. Jesus will return for the judgement, again not because he has to, because he wishes to. He has made a plan for this world and will carry it out. present a passage where Jesus thought for himself and decided not to do The Father's Will...this would prove your point and prove that he's not the Father's resurrected robot Zombie Jesus doing the father's will shows that he has made his own decision to do so. If someone asks you to go get a glass of water, are you then a robot Zombie for them? Or are you just doing their will to be kind? God didn't ask Jesus to get him a glass of water...according to your belief God also didn't ask Jesus if he wanted to die but decided to send Jesus here to die needlessly....that's why Jesus is a robot clone And no, the Father didn't ask Jesus to get him a glass of water, but you entirely missed the point. Doing someone else will does NOT take away your free will. You still have the choice to do it or not. And again REGARDLESS if there is some form of punishment or negative consequence, one still has the choice to do it or not, to obey or not, to do the other's will or not. |
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Jesus did it on his own will. REGARDLESS if he was sent here forcibly, he did NOT HAVE to teach us or give us the new covenant. His actions of his teaching and spreading of the gospel was all done on his own free will. REGARDLESS also if there might have been some form of punishment. Having a form of punishment does NOT take free will away, for you still have the choice to obey or not. John 3:16 states that God "gave" Jesus ...Jesus was property |
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Jesus did it on his own will. REGARDLESS if he was sent here forcibly, he did NOT HAVE to teach us or give us the new covenant. His actions of his teaching and spreading of the gospel was all done on his own free will. REGARDLESS also if there might have been some form of punishment. Having a form of punishment does NOT take free will away, for you still have the choice to obey or not. John 3:16 states that God "gave" Jesus ...Jesus was property No, he allowed us to do what we did to Jesus eg., crucify Jesus. His father allowed him to die for our sins. |
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Jesus did it on his own will. REGARDLESS if he was sent here forcibly, he did NOT HAVE to teach us or give us the new covenant. His actions of his teaching and spreading of the gospel was all done on his own free will. REGARDLESS also if there might have been some form of punishment. Having a form of punishment does NOT take free will away, for you still have the choice to obey or not. John 3:16 states that God "gave" Jesus ...Jesus was property No, he allowed us to do what we did to Jesus eg., crucify Jesus. His father allowed him to die for our sins. The Father "allowing" you Cowboy to kill Jesus is why Jesus had no "Free Will' ....but the bible makes it clear that The Father "gave" Jesus away as if he was property and this is why the prophecy of the second coming of Jesus is not of his own choosing or due to his "Free Will"...but of the father this is only one of the reasons why Jesus do not know the time of Judgement Day |
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Jesus did it on his own will. REGARDLESS if he was sent here forcibly, he did NOT HAVE to teach us or give us the new covenant. His actions of his teaching and spreading of the gospel was all done on his own free will. REGARDLESS also if there might have been some form of punishment. Having a form of punishment does NOT take free will away, for you still have the choice to obey or not. John 3:16 states that God "gave" Jesus ...Jesus was property No, he allowed us to do what we did to Jesus eg., crucify Jesus. His father allowed him to die for our sins. The Father "allowing" you Cowboy to kill Jesus is why Jesus had no "Free Will' ....but the bible makes it clear that The Father "gave" Jesus away as if he was property and this is why the prophecy of the second coming of Jesus is not of his own choosing or due to his "Free Will"...but of the father this is only one of the reasons why Jesus do not know the time of Judgement Day How does the father allowing us to crucify Jesus take away his free will? All free will is, is the ability to choose an action YOU do or don't do. Us crucifying Jesus had absolutely nothing to do with his free will, weather he had it or not. Sure the second coming is of his free will. If he did not wish to return, he could just sit in the corner and refuse to move. And if that didn't work, when he got here he could just go down and play some ping pong at the local recreational center with some kids, instead of carrying out the judgement and so on and so on. |
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How does the father allowing us to crucify Jesus take away his free will? you answered your own question...The Father "allowed" you to crucify Jesus .... |
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Sure the second coming is of his free will. If he did not wish to return, he could just sit in the corner and refuse to move. isn't that how God created the Universe And if that didn't work, when he got here he could just go down and play some ping pong at the local recreational center with some kids, while using the kids heads as the ping pong balls as he listen to their wailing and grashing of teeth instead of carrying out the judgement and so on and so on. he has no choice, that is why God resurrected Jesus.....Jesus preached Love and to do no harm, but at the time of his second coming he is coming to kill everyone...this is why he is a Zombie because he is not the same Jesus |
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How does the father allowing us to crucify Jesus take away his free will? you answered your own question...The Father "allowed" you to crucify Jesus .... If our father wouldn't have allowed it, he would have been taking our free will away. But you still haven't answered my question how his father allowing him to be crucified took away his free will. It did not force Jesus to do an action nor did he restrict Jesus from doing an action. |
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Sure the second coming is of his free will. If he did not wish to return, he could just sit in the corner and refuse to move. isn't that how God created the Universe And if that didn't work, when he got here he could just go down and play some ping pong at the local recreational center with some kids, while using the kids heads as the ping pong balls as he listen to their wailing and grashing of teeth instead of carrying out the judgement and so on and so on. he has no choice, that is why God resurrected Jesus.....Jesus preached Love and to do no harm, but at the time of his second coming he is coming to kill everyone...this is why he is a Zombie because he is not the same Jesus he has no choice, that is why God resurrected Jesus.....Jesus preached Love and to do no harm, but at the time of his second coming he is coming to kill everyone...this is why he is a Zombie because he is not the same Jesus He is not coming back to kill everyone lol. He is the same Jesus. Jesus told us the consequences of actions. And when he returns he will carry out that consequence. If that's to receive eternal life or if it is to die. And he does have a choice, again he could return and just sit around playing ping pong or pool with everyone. He doesn't HAVE to do anything. |
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Edited by
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If our father wouldn't have allowed it, he would have been taking our free will away. so if God didn't "allow" you to kill Jesus then you would no longer have "Free Will"? .... where do you get this stuff from? |
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But you still haven't answered my question how his father allowing him to be crucified took away his free will. It did not force Jesus to do an action nor did he restrict Jesus from doing an action. you and the bible answered your question the bible states that God "gave" Jesus...which mean he was property... and you claim that Jesus was a servant which is property ... property do not have "Free Will" |
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He is not coming back to kill everyone lol. Flesh and Blood can not inherit the kingdom ....and it's a sin to kill yourself ....so now you get two guesses as to who you think is coming to kill you during The Rapture 1: Steven Segal 2: Jesus |
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