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Topic: WHAT IS THE TRINITY ?
funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 01/16/12 10:08 PM
Being resurrected is not Zombie-ism. A "Zombie" is the walking DEAD. When Jesus resurrected, he was not "dead" anymore for again he defeated death. dying and being resurrected into another body is Buddhism dying and being resurrected into the same body is Zombie-ism No, again a zombie is the walking DEAD. Definition of resurrect - Restore (a dead person) to life. A zombie is not restored to life, they are still dead. When Jesus was resurrected, he was restored back to life. Again, he was not the walking dead, for again he was alive after his resurrection. a zombie is in fact restored back to life and generally under the control of the one that restored them ....how else would you think that are up and walking about...this is exactly what happen to Jesus ...The Father restored him and he was and is under his control... A zombie is in fact not restored back to life. A zombie is the walking DEAD. It has no life, only basic instincts, no though process. And Jesus was not under the father's control. He obeyed the father willingly, on his own decision, not because he had to, or was forced. if Jesus does the Father's will then he is under the Father's control and therefore a Zombie...this is why Jesus can't even come back to Earth until the Father allows him

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 01/16/12 10:09 PM
Lol you're funny Funches. USA = United States of America. It is referred to as "America" paraphrasing the name. When speaking of specifically North America, South America, ect those are CONTINENTS. They are land forms, they are not countries. USA has absolutely nothing to do with the trinity, what are you talking about? you used America in your example....if the trinty consist of three individualities then explain why did you not include three individual americas in your example Because I used USA as an example, I used a COUNTRY, I did not use a continent as an example eg., north america, south america, ect. the trinity is three individuals that supposedly forms one..3=1 America is only one country not three individual countries that forms one if you want to use America to explain the trinity you would need to add two more Americas and use Christian math to make it into one you simply gave another bad anology No, the USA Government runs the laws and base runnings of this country. The Government enforces the laws, there is ONE government in the USA. We are a democracy, that is ONE government. But it is made up of many different people. That is where the similarity was with God. There is one God, but three persons.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 01/16/12 10:11 PM
Being resurrected is not Zombie-ism. A "Zombie" is the walking DEAD. When Jesus resurrected, he was not "dead" anymore for again he defeated death. dying and being resurrected into another body is Buddhism dying and being resurrected into the same body is Zombie-ism No, again a zombie is the walking DEAD. Definition of resurrect - Restore (a dead person) to life. A zombie is not restored to life, they are still dead. When Jesus was resurrected, he was restored back to life. Again, he was not the walking dead, for again he was alive after his resurrection. a zombie is in fact restored back to life and generally under the control of the one that restored them ....how else would you think that are up and walking about...this is exactly what happen to Jesus ...The Father restored him and he was and is under his control... A zombie is in fact not restored back to life. A zombie is the walking DEAD. It has no life, only basic instincts, no though process. And Jesus was not under the father's control. He obeyed the father willingly, on his own decision, not because he had to, or was forced. if Jesus does the Father's will then he is under the Father's control and therefore a Zombie...this is why Jesus can't even come back to Earth until the Father allows him He does the Father's will WILLINGLY, he CHOOSES to obey, he's not a puppet, he's not a "zombie". He laid his own life down to do the will of the father on his own choice. It's not that Jesus "can't" come back until that time, but that Jesus will not come back till then for he does the father's will, for he loves his father.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 01/16/12 10:31 PM
Lol you're funny Funches. USA = United States of America. It is referred to as "America" paraphrasing the name. When speaking of specifically North America, South America, ect those are CONTINENTS. They are land forms, they are not countries. USA has absolutely nothing to do with the trinity, what are you talking about? you used America in your example....if the trinty consist of three individualities then explain why did you not include three individual americas in your example Because I used USA as an example, I used a COUNTRY, I did not use a continent as an example eg., north america, south america, ect. the trinity is three individuals that supposedly forms one..3=1 America is only one country not three individual countries that forms one if you want to use America to explain the trinity you would need to add two more Americas and use Christian math to make it into one you simply gave another bad anology No, the USA Government runs the laws and base runnings of this country. The Government enforces the laws, there is ONE government in the USA. We are a democracy, that is ONE government. But it is made up of many different people. That is where the similarity was with God. There is one God, but three persons. Cowboy...The Trinity consist of three ...so unless you are going to add two more Americas to the USA America then find another example to use...

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 01/16/12 10:34 PM
Being resurrected is not Zombie-ism. A "Zombie" is the walking DEAD. When Jesus resurrected, he was not "dead" anymore for again he defeated death. dying and being resurrected into another body is Buddhism dying and being resurrected into the same body is Zombie-ism No, again a zombie is the walking DEAD. Definition of resurrect - Restore (a dead person) to life. A zombie is not restored to life, they are still dead. When Jesus was resurrected, he was restored back to life. Again, he was not the walking dead, for again he was alive after his resurrection. a zombie is in fact restored back to life and generally under the control of the one that restored them ....how else would you think that are up and walking about...this is exactly what happen to Jesus ...The Father restored him and he was and is under his control... A zombie is in fact not restored back to life. A zombie is the walking DEAD. It has no life, only basic instincts, no though process. And Jesus was not under the father's control. He obeyed the father willingly, on his own decision, not because he had to, or was forced. if Jesus does the Father's will then he is under the Father's control and therefore a Zombie...this is why Jesus can't even come back to Earth until the Father allows him He does the Father's will WILLINGLY, he CHOOSES to obey, he's not a puppet, he's not a "zombie". He laid his own life down to do the will of the father on his own choice. It's not that Jesus "can't" come back until that time, but that Jesus will not come back till then for he does the father's will, for he loves his father. Jesus didn't resurrect himself the father had to do it...sure sound like Zombie-ism...the second coming of Jesus can't take place unless the Father gives him permission ...he can't do it willingly or on his own ...he's a zombie puppet

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 01/16/12 10:38 PM
Being resurrected is not Zombie-ism. A "Zombie" is the walking DEAD. When Jesus resurrected, he was not "dead" anymore for again he defeated death. dying and being resurrected into another body is Buddhism dying and being resurrected into the same body is Zombie-ism No, again a zombie is the walking DEAD. Definition of resurrect - Restore (a dead person) to life. A zombie is not restored to life, they are still dead. When Jesus was resurrected, he was restored back to life. Again, he was not the walking dead, for again he was alive after his resurrection. a zombie is in fact restored back to life and generally under the control of the one that restored them ....how else would you think that are up and walking about...this is exactly what happen to Jesus ...The Father restored him and he was and is under his control... A zombie is in fact not restored back to life. A zombie is the walking DEAD. It has no life, only basic instincts, no though process. And Jesus was not under the father's control. He obeyed the father willingly, on his own decision, not because he had to, or was forced. if Jesus does the Father's will then he is under the Father's control and therefore a Zombie...this is why Jesus can't even come back to Earth until the Father allows him He does the Father's will WILLINGLY, he CHOOSES to obey, he's not a puppet, he's not a "zombie". He laid his own life down to do the will of the father on his own choice. It's not that Jesus "can't" come back until that time, but that Jesus will not come back till then for he does the father's will, for he loves his father. Jesus didn't resurrect himself the father had to do it...sure sound like Zombie-ism...the second coming of Jesus can't take place unless the Father gives him permission ...he can't do it willingly or on his own ...he's a zombie puppet Jesus did resurrect himself. John 2:19 19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 01/16/12 10:53 PM
Being resurrected is not Zombie-ism. A "Zombie" is the walking DEAD. When Jesus resurrected, he was not "dead" anymore for again he defeated death. dying and being resurrected into another body is Buddhism dying and being resurrected into the same body is Zombie-ism No, again a zombie is the walking DEAD. Definition of resurrect - Restore (a dead person) to life. A zombie is not restored to life, they are still dead. When Jesus was resurrected, he was restored back to life. Again, he was not the walking dead, for again he was alive after his resurrection. a zombie is in fact restored back to life and generally under the control of the one that restored them ....how else would you think that are up and walking about...this is exactly what happen to Jesus ...The Father restored him and he was and is under his control... A zombie is in fact not restored back to life. A zombie is the walking DEAD. It has no life, only basic instincts, no though process. And Jesus was not under the father's control. He obeyed the father willingly, on his own decision, not because he had to, or was forced. if Jesus does the Father's will then he is under the Father's control and therefore a Zombie...this is why Jesus can't even come back to Earth until the Father allows him He does the Father's will WILLINGLY, he CHOOSES to obey, he's not a puppet, he's not a "zombie". He laid his own life down to do the will of the father on his own choice. It's not that Jesus "can't" come back until that time, but that Jesus will not come back till then for he does the father's will, for he loves his father. Jesus didn't resurrect himself the father had to do it...sure sound like Zombie-ism...the second coming of Jesus can't take place unless the Father gives him permission ...he can't do it willingly or on his own ...he's a zombie puppet Jesus did resurrect himself. John 2:19 19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. nope...in Christianity the Father resurrected Jesus The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. (Acts 5:30)

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 01/17/12 07:22 AM
Being resurrected is not Zombie-ism. A "Zombie" is the walking DEAD. When Jesus resurrected, he was not "dead" anymore for again he defeated death. dying and being resurrected into another body is Buddhism dying and being resurrected into the same body is Zombie-ism No, again a zombie is the walking DEAD. Definition of resurrect - Restore (a dead person) to life. A zombie is not restored to life, they are still dead. When Jesus was resurrected, he was restored back to life. Again, he was not the walking dead, for again he was alive after his resurrection. a zombie is in fact restored back to life and generally under the control of the one that restored them ....how else would you think that are up and walking about...this is exactly what happen to Jesus ...The Father restored him and he was and is under his control... A zombie is in fact not restored back to life. A zombie is the walking DEAD. It has no life, only basic instincts, no though process. And Jesus was not under the father's control. He obeyed the father willingly, on his own decision, not because he had to, or was forced. if Jesus does the Father's will then he is under the Father's control and therefore a Zombie...this is why Jesus can't even come back to Earth until the Father allows him He does the Father's will WILLINGLY, he CHOOSES to obey, he's not a puppet, he's not a "zombie". He laid his own life down to do the will of the father on his own choice. It's not that Jesus "can't" come back until that time, but that Jesus will not come back till then for he does the father's will, for he loves his father. Jesus didn't resurrect himself the father had to do it...sure sound like Zombie-ism...the second coming of Jesus can't take place unless the Father gives him permission ...he can't do it willingly or on his own ...he's a zombie puppet Jesus did resurrect himself. John 2:19 19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. nope...in Christianity the Father resurrected Jesus The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. (Acts 5:30) Jesus is God. John 10:30 30I and my Father are one

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 01/17/12 07:36 AM
Being resurrected is not Zombie-ism. A "Zombie" is the walking DEAD. When Jesus resurrected, he was not "dead" anymore for again he defeated death. dying and being resurrected into another body is Buddhism dying and being resurrected into the same body is Zombie-ism No, again a zombie is the walking DEAD. Definition of resurrect - Restore (a dead person) to life. A zombie is not restored to life, they are still dead. When Jesus was resurrected, he was restored back to life. Again, he was not the walking dead, for again he was alive after his resurrection. a zombie is in fact restored back to life and generally under the control of the one that restored them ....how else would you think that are up and walking about...this is exactly what happen to Jesus ...The Father restored him and he was and is under his control... A zombie is in fact not restored back to life. A zombie is the walking DEAD. It has no life, only basic instincts, no though process. And Jesus was not under the father's control. He obeyed the father willingly, on his own decision, not because he had to, or was forced. if Jesus does the Father's will then he is under the Father's control and therefore a Zombie...this is why Jesus can't even come back to Earth until the Father allows him He does the Father's will WILLINGLY, he CHOOSES to obey, he's not a puppet, he's not a "zombie". He laid his own life down to do the will of the father on his own choice. It's not that Jesus "can't" come back until that time, but that Jesus will not come back till then for he does the father's will, for he loves his father. Jesus didn't resurrect himself the father had to do it...sure sound like Zombie-ism...the second coming of Jesus can't take place unless the Father gives him permission ...he can't do it willingly or on his own ...he's a zombie puppet Jesus did resurrect himself. John 2:19 19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. nope...in Christianity the Father resurrected Jesus The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. (Acts 5:30) Jesus is God. John 10:30 30I and my Father are one Jesus explains it better John 14:7 7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 01/17/12 07:39 AM
Jesus is God. John 10:30 30I and my Father are one watching you run back and forth from one denomination of Christianity to another denomination in an attempt to prove something thats not even in the bible is actually a lack of faith but anyway the fact that Jesus was stuck in Hell for three days proves why he's a fake God...Gods only cause Hell not get stuck there you'll never be able to explain the Trinity or give an example of the Trinity without taking away God's omnipotency ...this is why that belief is false but it is interesting watching you try

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 01/17/12 09:22 AM
Jesus is God. John 10:30 30I and my Father are one watching you run back and forth from one denomination of Christianity to another denomination in an attempt to prove something thats not even in the bible is actually a lack of faith but anyway the fact that Jesus was stuck in Hell for three days proves why he's a fake God...Gods only cause Hell not get stuck there you'll never be able to explain the Trinity or give an example of the Trinity without taking away God's omnipotency ...this is why that belief is false but it is interesting watching you try What in the world are you talking about? Who was talking about denominations? And what does that have to do with what we're talking about? And also how does that prove he is a fake God? He defeated death and was resurrected. So again, I ask how does that prove him to be a false God? He wasn't "stuck" anywhere, for again he defeated death and resurrected. Don't know why exactly he spent specifically 3 days there. You would have to ask God himself, it was obviously in his plans, for their were prophecies of this happening.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 01/17/12 10:18 AM
What in the world are you talking about? Who was talking about denominations?And what does that have to do with what we're talking about? jeez don't play dumb....you and MorningSong are having a tiff because you two Christian can't agree on what constitutes as to what being the basic Christian belief ....to me both of you are wrong but at least MorningSong don't make quantum leaps back and forth or try to hide between different demoninations of Christinaity like you do

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 01/17/12 10:20 AM
He wasn't "stuck" anywhere, for again he defeated death and resurrected. Don't know why exactly he spent specifically 3 days there. You would have to ask God himself, it was obviously in his plans, for their were prophecies of this happening. perhaps Jesus spent three days in Hell to visit Satan ...but either way he was stuck there waiting on his zombie orders from God....

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 01/17/12 06:39 PM
What in the world are you talking about? Who was talking about denominations?And what does that have to do with what we're talking about? jeez don't play dumb....you and MorningSong are having a tiff because you two Christian can't agree on what constitutes as to what being the basic Christian belief ....to me both of you are wrong but at least MorningSong don't make quantum leaps back and forth or try to hide between different demoninations of Christinaity like you do Don't know what you're talking about. Yes we disagree, but that doesn't have anything to do with "denominations". I'm none denominal, I believe/teach what the scriptures say, not what someone else says or what some "religion" says. Yes we have our disagreements, she may be right, not saying she's wrong and not saying I'm totally right. When she sees something she sees as an error on my part and I post verses of where I get that specific belief. She usually gets frustrated and stops talking which is really really annoying lol. Cause if I am in the wrong for absolute sure, I truly do wish for her or someone to show me where and show the verses that back me being wrong.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 01/17/12 06:41 PM
He wasn't "stuck" anywhere, for again he defeated death and resurrected. Don't know why exactly he spent specifically 3 days there. You would have to ask God himself, it was obviously in his plans, for their were prophecies of this happening. perhaps Jesus spent three days in Hell to visit Satan ...but either way he was stuck there waiting on his zombie orders from God.... And where are the verses that back this specific statement? Where did Jesus get any orders from God to resurrect? Give some verses to back that statement. It was even prophesied that Jesus would be there for 3 days. So obviously it's not that he "couldn't" come back earlier, again you'll have to ask Jesus himself why he spent specifically 3 days there.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 01/17/12 06:43 PM
It was even prophesied that Jesus would be there for 3 days. Oh really? Prophesied by whom? Where?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 01/17/12 06:45 PM
He wasn't "stuck" anywhere, for again he defeated death and resurrected. Don't know why exactly he spent specifically 3 days there. You would have to ask God himself, it was obviously in his plans, for their were prophecies of this happening. perhaps Jesus spent three days in Hell to visit Satan ...but either way he was stuck there waiting on his zombie orders from God.... And where are the verses that back this specific statement? Where did Jesus get any orders from God to resurrect? Give some verses to back that statement. It was even prophesied that Jesus would be there for 3 days. So obviously it's not that he "couldn't" come back earlier, again you'll have to ask Jesus himself why he spent specifically 3 days there. And besides that, you say orders from God. Jesus is our God. So from whom would he get his "orders"? His father maybe? His father doesn't "order" Jesus to do anything. Jesus know's the will of his father and he does it, he does it out of love and wishing to be obedient to his father, not out of duress, or being forced.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 01/17/12 06:47 PM
It was even prophesied that Jesus would be there for 3 days. Oh really? Prophesied by whom? Where? Matthew 12:40 40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 01/17/12 09:09 PM
It was even prophesied that Jesus would be there for 3 days. Oh really? Prophesied by whom? Where? Matthew 12:40 40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. First, it says "The son of man" (not "Jesus.") Second, it says the heart of the earth" (not "hell.") Thirdly, the alleged prophet is not named, and depending when the actual scripture was written and/or read by another scribe who went on to write the rest of the story, (or fiction) it becomes a self fulfilled prophecy. So who is to say that the "son of man," and the "son of God" are the same person? If they are, then "man" means the same thing as "God." Hence, "man" is "God."

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 01/17/12 09:21 PM Edited by CowboyGH on Tue 01/17/12 09:22 PM
It was even prophesied that Jesus would be there for 3 days. Oh really? Prophesied by whom? Where? Matthew 12:40 40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. First, it says "The son of man" (not "Jesus.") Second, it says the heart of the earth" (not "hell.") Thirdly, the alleged prophet is not named, and depending when the actual scripture was written and/or read by another scribe who went on to write the rest of the story, (or fiction) it becomes a self fulfilled prophecy. So who is to say that the "son of man," and the "son of God" are the same person? If they are, then "man" means the same thing as "God." Hence, "man" is "God." Jesus is the Son of man. There are many verses that state "son of man" in reference to Jesus. While Jesus was on Earth, he took on the form of a servant, the form of a man. He left his glory behind, he humbled himself. Mark 2 10But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,) 11I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house. 12And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion. Thirdly, the alleged prophet is not named, and depending when the actual scripture was written and/or read by another scribe who went on to write the rest of the story, (or fiction) it becomes a self fulfilled prophecy. Does not matter "who" wrote it, why would it matter? And this scripture was written before Jesus died on the cross, before it was even on it's way to happening. It was telling of something to happen in the future eg., a prophecy. Hence, "man" is "God." Know ye not that ye are Gods? "God" is purely a word to show authority to the person in reference to being a "God". That is why when it speaks of Jesus, it refers to him as OUR God. Not "A" God, or anything of such, but "OUR" God. And is why while Jesus was on the cross, he referred to his father as "My God". In referring to someone as "God" you are being humble to that person and proclaiming them to have authority over you. And that is why it goes into even more detail when referring to Jesus and his father. God, the Father. God, the son. ect.