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Cowboy wrote: Please explain why it separates the three then in the verse of
Matthew 28:19 Why did they not just say God? Why separate the three? This is done in many places, not just here. And in the John verse, it says WITH God. Showing a separate entity. For if they were the same entity, they would not be able to be WITH, for it would be just that one entity COWBOY.....3 PERSONS !!!!!!!!!! 3 PERSONS IN ONE ENTITY !!!!!!!!! BUT ONE SUBSTANCE!!!! BUT ONE SUPREME BEING!!!!!! NOT NOT NOT THREE ENTITIES !!! WE HAVE BEEN THRU THIS FOR OVER A YEAR NOW!!!!!!! Yes, but nothing you say on this makes sense. Three persons..... 1 person is an entity. Entity - A thing with distinct and independent existence. Each of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost have distinct and independent existences. Each three is a separate entity according to the definition of entity. |
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AND IT IS NOT GONNA MAKE SENSE UNTIL YOU ARE BORN AGAIN!!!!
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AND IT IS NOT GONNA MAKE SENSE UNTIL YOU ARE BORN AGAIN!!!! I know it will not make sense to you until you are born again, I keep praying for you MorningSong. |
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Cowboy wrote: John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Was WITH God. The Word eg., Jesus was with God eg., his father. Was God eg., our God. That is why Jesus yelled out my god, my god. If they were all one entity, they would not separate the three. Would just say "God" or some generic term for all three. Matthew 28:19 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Cowboy, this is exactly what I was referring to: See...You DON'T believe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is ONE ENTITY or ONE SUPREME BEING!!! And that is WHY you CAN"T BE SAVED!!!! God is the ONLY ONE who can give you UNDERSTANDING about The Father, Son. and Holy Spirit being ONE ENTITY!!! And God always WILL when you are saved ,or at least shortly after you are saved. Meaning....SOMETIMES when peope are first saved, they don't fulyl understand this BASIC FUNDAMENTAL TRUTH just right away......BUT when explained to a born again person, they DO FINALLY GET IT!!!!!!!! BUT after a whole year of us christians explaining this to you , yuo STILL don't get it!!!! much less even understand ANY of God's Word !!!! Which means you are NOT SAVED yet!!! ONLY GOD CAN MAKE HIS WORD CLEAR TO YOU!!! But my prayer is.....one day you WILL be saved, and then God thru the Holy Spriit INDWELLING you at that time, WILL FINALLY make His Word Clear to you!! Just think bout this.. Yahshua during the 1000 year reign. Zech 14:16 nd it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. NKJV This Yahweh of Hosts is Yahshua.. But what about the New jerusalem? Rev 21:22-23 But I saw no temple in it, for Yahweh Elohim Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of Yahweh illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. NKJV Yahshua was here during the 1000 years.. He is the Glory of Yahweh.. The Light Yahshua is the essence of his Father.. He shines. But everyone is spirit now.. all have been changed .. and now Yahweh the Father is on the seen. Why? John 6:45-46 is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught by Elohim.' Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father , except He who is from Yahweh; He has seen the Father NKJV John 1:16-18 16 And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Yahshua. 18 No one has seen The Father at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. NKJV Yahshua showed us the way.. The Spirit lit on him as a dove. The Spirit Lit on us as Cloven Tongues of Fire. Because Yahweh is a consuming fire and a 2 edged sword is his word. Yahshua left to send us the Spirit to live in us.. The same Spirit he had to indwell us.. That Spirit comes from the Father of all Truth..Yahweh of Hosts. The Spirit of Yahweh is The Spirit of Truth and is from the Father. The Elohim the US in Genesis was Yahweh's Will being done through Yahshua. That will is the Holy Spirit. The Spirit of Truth can not be Blaspemed in this world or the next.. can not be forgiven for denial.. But Blaspheming Yahshua can be forgiven because he came from the father.. The Spirit is the Father |
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AND IT IS NOT GONNA MAKE SENSE UNTIL YOU ARE BORN AGAIN!!!! It makes perfect sense. Entity - A thing with distinct and independent existence Jesus is distinctively the only begotten son of the Father. The father - is distinctively the father of Jesus Christ. Jesus never says OUR father, only his father. That is because Jesus is our everlasting father, the prince of peace. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 01/24/12 02:51 PM
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COWBOY,YOU MAY THINK IT MAKES SENSE, ACCORDING TO YOUR
OWN "INTERPRETATION" ALL YOU WANT... BUT THE TRUTH OF GOD'S WORD IS NOT GONNA MAKE SENSE OR BECOME CLEAR TO YOU, UNTIL YOU ARE BORN AGAIN!!!! (AND NOT ONE BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN AGREES WITH YOUR INTERPRETATION!!!) THAT IS WHY ONLY GOD , THRU THE POWER OF HIS HOLY SPIRIT, IS ABLE TO ILLUMINATE GOD'S TRUTH TO YOU WHEN YOU ARE BORN AGAIN... UNTIL THEN, YOU ARE JUST QUESSING AND ARE ONLY CAPABLE OF GIVNG ONLY YOUR OWN INTERPRETATION OF GOD'S WORD!!! BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE INTERPRETATION OF GOD'S WORD THAT GOD IS INTERESTED IN........AND THAT IS THE ONLY CORRECT ONE ..... AND THAT CORRECT INTERPRETATION OF GOD'S WORD COMES ONLY ONLY THRU THE ILLUMINATING POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT...... WHICH BTW, INDWELLS EVERY SINGLE BORN AGAIN BELIEVER......AND NO OTHER WAY !!!!! THAT IS EXACTLY WHY ALL ALL ALL BORN AGAIN BELEIVERS ARE IN AGREEMENT ABOUT THE BASIC FUNDAMENTAL TRUTH OF GOD'S WORD. AND NO....I DID NOT SAY THOSE WHO JUST "CLAIM" TO BE BORN AGAIN!!! I AM REFERRING TO ALL WHOM ARE TRULY BORN AGAIN!!!!! |
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No, we can't call him whatever we we want. A name translated appears different, but in fact is the same name. Again, Gregory and Gregorio is the same name in two different languages.
This is correct, Cowboy. Now ask God to make ALL OF GOD'S WORD CLEAR to you . Because ONLY GOD CAN.....NOT MAN. This is not correct.. You have more respect for men than Yahweh |
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Miles...get set free from legalistic bondage .
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Miles...get set free from legalistic bondage . Legalistic bondage.. how can I be under bondage? thier is no law to me when my inner being desires to keep the Law holy. Let me make this clear.. You can not change what yahweh has said. You can not change his name.. This is the spirit of anti-messiah. Plain and simple. the 3rd commandment is the only one that says you will not be forgiven. Its the one you have the hardest problem with. Why because a Spirit of Deciet is in you. You may have washed yourself yet let yourself become unclean and 7 spirits more evil than before has entered. thats not me MS thats what Yahshua said.. You change his words.. then you take the curses |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 01/24/12 02:30 PM
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BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT CHANGE JESUS'S NAME!!!!
BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT CHANGE GOD'S LAW !!! BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT ADD OR TAKE AWAY FROM GOD'S WORD !!! NOT GONNA ARGUE LEGALISTIC RELIGIOUS NONSENSE ON HERE WITH YOU, MILES. |
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BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT CHANGE JESUS'S NAME!!!! BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT CHANGE GOD'S LAW !!! BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT ADD OR TAKE AWAY FROM GOD'S WORD !!! NOT GONNA ARGUE LEGALISTIC RELIGIOUS NONSENSE ON HERE WITH YOU, MILES. Then you admitt You are not BORN AGAIN.. I would get on my knees and Pray for Forgiveness before its too late |
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BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT CHANGE JESUS'S NAME!!!! BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT CHANGE GOD'S LAW !!! BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT ADD OR TAKE AWAY FROM GOD'S WORD !!! NOT GONNA ARGUE LEGALISTIC RELIGIOUS NONSENSE ON HERE WITH YOU, MILES. Then you admitt You are not BORN AGAIN.. I would get on my knees and Pray for Forgiveness before its too late Again weather it's pronounce Yahshua or Jesus, it is the SAME NAME pronounced two ways in two languages. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 01/24/12 02:43 PM
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BORN AGAIN CHRSITIANS ARE NOT UNDER LEGALISTIC BONDAGE.
BUT FUTHERMORE, BORN AGAN CHRISTIANS ALSO ARE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE PETTY RELIGIOUS NONSENSE....THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD'S WORD AT ALL...BUT HAS TO DO WITH RELIGIOUS SPIRITS OPERATING THRU A PERSON, AND MISINTERPRETING GOD'S WORD AND LEADING PEOPLE ASTAY ON HERE!!! WHEN YOU BECOME BORN AGAIN , MILES, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THIS: THAT GOD LOOKS UPON THE HEART AND IS NOT CONCERNED IF YOU SAY HIS SON'S NAME IN ARAMAIC OR HEBREW OR ENGLISH OR WHATEVER LANGUAGE..BUT THAT YOU HAVE TRULY RECEIVED HIM INTO YOUR HEART. THAT IS WHAT TRULY MATTERS TO GOD...NOT THAT YOU SAY HIS SON'S NAME IN A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE !!! RELIGIOUS NONSENSE IS GONNA STOP ON HERE !!! |
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BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT CHANGE JESUS'S NAME!!!! BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT CHANGE GOD'S LAW !!! BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT ADD OR TAKE AWAY FROM GOD'S WORD !!! NOT GONNA ARGUE LEGALISTIC RELIGIOUS NONSENSE ON HERE WITH YOU, MILES. Then you admitt You are not BORN AGAIN.. I would get on my knees and Pray for Forgiveness before its too late Again weather it's pronounce Yahshua or Jesus, it is the SAME NAME pronounced two ways in two languages. Your name would not be different in Spanish, french, Japanese, or any other language. It would be spelt differently and pronounced differently, but still would remain the same name. |
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BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT CHANGE JESUS'S NAME!!!! BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT CHANGE GOD'S LAW !!! BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT ADD OR TAKE AWAY FROM GOD'S WORD !!! NOT GONNA ARGUE LEGALISTIC RELIGIOUS NONSENSE ON HERE WITH YOU, MILES. Then you admitt You are not BORN AGAIN.. I would get on my knees and Pray for Forgiveness before its too late Again weather it's pronounce Yahshua or Jesus, it is the SAME NAME pronounced two ways in two languages. Your name would not be different in Spanish, french, Japanese, or any other language. It would be spelt differently and pronounced differently, but still would remain the same name. It wpuld not be pronounced differently.. J-sus is spelled the same in Spanish but pronounced Hey Zeus not the same. why do you hate Yahshua's given name? |
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BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT CHANGE JESUS'S NAME!!!! BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT CHANGE GOD'S LAW !!! BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT ADD OR TAKE AWAY FROM GOD'S WORD !!! NOT GONNA ARGUE LEGALISTIC RELIGIOUS NONSENSE ON HERE WITH YOU, MILES. Then you admitt You are not BORN AGAIN.. I would get on my knees and Pray for Forgiveness before its too late Again weather it's pronounce Yahshua or Jesus, it is the SAME NAME pronounced two ways in two languages. Your name would not be different in Spanish, french, Japanese, or any other language. It would be spelt differently and pronounced differently, but still would remain the same name. It wpuld not be pronounced differently.. J-sus is spelled the same in Spanish but pronounced Hey Zeus not the same. why do you hate Yahshua's given name? I don't hate his name. Yahshua is Hebrew, Jesus is Greek. Same being, same entity. |
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BORN AGAIN CHRSITIANS ARE NOT UNDER LEGALISTIC BONDAGE. BUT FUTHERMORE, BORN AGAN CHRISTIANS ALSO ARE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE PETTY RELIGIOUS NONSENSE....THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD'S WORD AT ALL...BUT HAS TO DO WITH RELIGIOUS SPIRITS OPERATING THRU A PERSON, AND MISINTERPRETING GOD'S WORD AND LEADING PEOPLE ASTAY ON HERE!!! WHEN YOU BECOME BORN AGAIN , MILES, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THIS: THAT GOD LOOKS UPON THE HEART AND IS NOT CONCERNED IF YOU SAY HIS SON'S NAME IN ARAMAIC OR HEBREW OR ENGLISH OR WHATEVER LANGUAGE..BUT THAT YOU HAVE TRULY RECEIVED HIM INTO YOUR HEART. THAT IS WHAT TRULY MATTERS TO GOD...NOT THAT YOU SAY HIS SON'S NAME IN A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE !!! RELIGIOUS NONSENSE IS GONNA STOP ON HERE !!! You know MS you Don't have the Holy Spirit and I can prove it by your attitude. You dish it out but can not take it.. When u do not understand you claim the 5th.. which in your case is Ypou don't have the Holy Spirit but MS does. The only way someone can be born again is if they agree and listen to MORNINGSONG.. Are you JC? I think so.. Cowboy has never said such arragance as you ever on here. You can not read minds so stop telling everyone you are so RIGHTEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Edited by
MorningSong
on
Tue 01/24/12 03:03 PM
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ONLY THRU THE HOLY SPIRIT INDWELLING ALL BELIEVERS,
IS HOW ALL BELIEVERS ARE ABLE TO COME TO KNOW ALL TRUTH, MILES. THE HOLY SPIRIT LEADS AND GUIDES AND TEACHES US ALL TRUTH ....IT IS NOT US WHO KNOWS..BUT THE HOLY SPIRIT INDWELLING US WHO KNOWS,AND THUS LEADS AND GUIDES AND TEACHES US THE TRUTH. WE DO NOT COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD'S TRUTH OF OUR OWN DOING...BUT ONLY BY THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO INDWELLS ALL BELIEVERS...AND TEACHES US ALL TRUTH NOW. |
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BORN AGAIN CHRSITIANS ARE NOT UNDER LEGALISTIC BONDAGE. BUT FUTHERMORE, BORN AGAN CHRISTIANS ALSO ARE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE PETTY RELIGIOUS NONSENSE....THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD'S WORD AT ALL...BUT HAS TO DO WITH RELIGIOUS SPIRITS OPERATING THRU A PERSON, AND MISINTERPRETING GOD'S WORD AND LEADING PEOPLE ASTAY ON HERE!!! WHEN YOU BECOME BORN AGAIN , MILES, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THIS: THAT GOD LOOKS UPON THE HEART AND IS NOT CONCERNED IF YOU SAY HIS SON'S NAME IN ARAMAIC OR HEBREW OR ENGLISH OR WHATEVER LANGUAGE..BUT THAT YOU HAVE TRULY RECEIVED HIM INTO YOUR HEART. THAT IS WHAT TRULY MATTERS TO GOD...NOT THAT YOU SAY HIS SON'S NAME IN A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE !!! RELIGIOUS NONSENSE IS GONNA STOP ON HERE !!! You know MS you Don't have the Holy Spirit and I can prove it by your attitude. You dish it out but can not take it.. When u do not understand you claim the 5th.. which in your case is Ypou don't have the Holy Spirit but MS does. The only way someone can be born again is if they agree and listen to MORNINGSONG.. Are you JC? I think so.. Cowboy has never said such arragance as you ever on here. You can not read minds so stop telling everyone you are so RIGHTEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The first letter in the name Yeshua ("Jesus") is the yod. Yod represents the "Y" sound in Hebrew. Many names in the Bible that begin with yod are mispronounced by English speakers because the yod in these names was transliterated in English Bibles with the letter "J" rather than "Y". This came about because in early English the letter "J" was pronounced the way we pronounce "Y" today. All proper names in the Old Testament were transliterated into English according to their Hebrew pronunciation, but when English pronunciation shifted to what we know today, these transliterations were not altered. Thus, such Hebrew place names as ye-ru-sha-LA-yim, ye-ri-HO, and yar-DEN have become known to us as Jerusalem, Jericho, and Jordan; and Hebrew personal names such as yo-NA, yi-SHAI, and ye-SHU-a have become known to us as Jonah, Jesse, and Jesus. |
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ONLY THRU THE HOLY SPIRIT INDWELLING ALL BELIEVERS, IS HOW ALL BELIEVERS ARE ABLE TO COME TO KNOW ALL TRUTH, MILES. THE HOLY SPIRIT LEADS AND GUIDES AND TEACHES US ALL TRUTH ....IT IS NOT US WHO KNOWS..BUT THE HOLY SPIRIT INDWELLING US WHO KNOWS,AND THUS LEADS AND GUIDES AND TEACHES US THE TRUTH. WE DO NOT COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD'S TRUTH OF OUR OWN DOING..BUT ONLY BY THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO INDWELLS ALL BELIEVERS...AND TEACHES US ALL TRUTH NOW. Again then I ask why so many denominations? Why so many different interpretations? Does that mean only one group is a saved group and all other denominations are wrong? If so, what denomination is correct? And how do you know this denomination is correct over all others? Why would God choose one group to give the knowledge to but not to the others? |
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