As well as I am also, you know that!

But I dont think I have to stop being silly, and alittle devilish, to be a Christian. Its not a sin. Im not praising the devil, or lifting him up.

I understand that. I was just trying to help. Religion is a very sensitive subject and touches people deeply. I have Pagan friends that I have stopped hanging out with because of their vicious statements about Jesus. It's just not as easy as "ignoring it" all the time. You are right though...on a place like Mingle, you have to learn to just not read stuff that offends you.

Well, im off to ride my bike to church, IN THE RAIN.

Woooooooooo Hoooooooooooo!

Its gonna be a cold, wet, ride.

Sorry, if anyone got offended here,

I didnt even consider, that could even happen,

my bad!

Have a wonderful time. Love ya, (((Roberta)))

No, I was quoting a passage from Milton. You're new here, so you don't know about the past discussions about 'The Paper Pope' or the O.T. massacres sanctioned by your God (which, BTW, none of your compatriots has ever successfully defended against).

I might also add that telling unbelievers that they can't do things like run for a public office, declaring 'A War On Atheism' or censoring free speech are tricks your creed pulls in America, not mine.


-Kerry O.

I may be new to this section, but ive been on Mingle for over 3 years, sir.

As far as "my creed",

I do not believe, it is acceptable, for believers to tell nonbelievers, that they cant do ANYTHING, no matter what it is!

Personally,

I feel that everyone, has the right, to believe anything they want, anytime they want, and shouldnt worry, about what everyone else, is doing.

So dont lump "ME" in with a bunch of actions, I dont support, or would never take. And I know plenty of Christians, who also take the same stand, that I do,

live and let live!

Not all Christians feel the same way sir, and if those actions were taken against nonbelievers, I had no part in it.

That would be like you, holding me responsible for slavery, when I dont have a prejudice bone, in my body. And never will.

With all due respect sir, "check yourself, before you wreck yourself".

You dont know me at all, and I do have a rather unique stand about religion, so dont fail to consider me as an individual, and put me into a group of radical religious people.

My name is Roberta. Nice to meet you. Try getting to know me, you will be pleasantly surprised.

Have a wonderful day!

I Love you too babe!

And a wonderful day, to you too, baby girl!

I just feel that The Light-Bringer, the very creator of humanity, deserves a bit more respect. Of course, I understand that Christian bands will continue to slander Him. After all, it's a cornerstone of their beliefs. Plus, I sort of happen to be closely...let's call it, related, to Him.

Im sorry.

I fail to see where it is disrespectful, to tell the devil to go to hell, in a song.

And this song is not slandering God, its slandering the devil.But I am a musician, and a rocker, so maybe im more open to the concept.

If it offends you, however, IM VERY SORRY IF I MADE YOU FEEL BAD.

It was not my intention.

Thats whats most important to me, at this point.

I hope you will forgive me that.

Bless you.

You've made your point and you need to just get over it now. She didn't mean any harm and, quite honestly, I have to listen to your kind slander my God all the time. Be gone now.

Yeah, what she said!

(((((((((( I LUV U RUTH ))))))))))

I still have mine, when I dont blow it dry!

Well again, Roberta, I'm merely disagreeing with you and holding out, as evidence for my position that one can learn more morality and beneficial knownledge from other sources, things that people have done in the name of Chirst and have used the Bible to justify.

Slavery is a good example. Even our Founding Fathers weren't immune from its wiles. The Bible flat out condones it.

As stated in my last post, the Bible also condones mass murder as long as it was ordered by Old Testament Fundy God. Yet, the same Moses who was commmander of the armies who slaughtered the people of his own wife, brought down from the mountainside stone tablets inscribed with, among other rules, 'You must not kill.'

My grandparents were Fundies, yet they were very racist and could site Bible verses that they claimed justified their prejudice.

That's basically all I'm saying: that one can interpret the Bible to justify all kinds of evil, and that more wars and killing have happened because of a clash of beliefs than for almost any other cause except for the lust for power. And in doing so, I'm showing you why I, who was raised Christian, can't abide its many contradictions and its version of 'Truth'.


So as far as laying a guilt trip on me? Won't work, I know all the arguments and answers from having spent a lifetime of my own family having done the same. :) And I still love them even though they can't fathom how I got to be 'the way I am.' They still came to see me in Intensive Care when I almost didn't make it, and I'd do the same for them.

Because in the end, that's all the really matters-- our connections to our own humanity and our abilities to relieve suffering, not some book that men wrote a long time ago.


-Kerry O.

THEWRONGPLACES IS JUST AS WELCOME TO POST HERE AS

ANYONE ELSE.

GOD LOVES US ALL, NO MATTER WHAT OUR BELIEFS........

GOD IS NOT DONE WITH ANY OF US, THEWRONGPLACES INCLUDED.


I ONCE KNEW A YOUNG MAN WHO DREW UPSIDE DOWN CROSSES ON MY

BALCONEY.....BUT I JUST LOVED HIM , CAUSE I SAW HIM AS GOD SAW

HIM....A PRECIOUS YOUNG SOUL THAT GOD LOVES DEARLY.


THEN HE JUST UP AND DISAPPEARED ONE DAY , AFTER MY ONLY

KNOWING HIM FOR A VERY SHORT WHILE .........


BUT A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER , THAT SAME YOUNG MAN WALKED

UP TO ME , AS I WAS SHOPPING IN A RANDALLS STORE IN

HOUSTON..... HE JUST WALKED UP TO ME AND HUGGED ME ,AND THEN

SMILED ,AND THEN TOLD ME HE HAD

ACCEPTED JESUS INTO HIS HEART. <<<happy happy tears

THEN HE WALKED AWAY AND I NEVER SAW HIM AGAIN...BUT I

WILL SEE THAT YOUNG MAN IN HEAVEN ONE DAY !!!


LET US NOT JUDGE ONE ANOTHER.....BUT LET US LOVE ONE ANOTHER

AND PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER .


AFTERALL,

ISN'T THAT WHAT JESUS WOULD HAVE US DO?

WWJD.......

AMEN?

AMEN.


LOVE YOU ALL....

SO DOES GOD !!!

Im a baby Christian, and im still reading the bible for the first time, so on the bible, I really cant talk. And I dont, because I dont have that knowledge yet. And all of your disagreement seems to be about the bible, so we shall have to wait and see about the whole bible thing.

May I remind you of what you said, to get the response I wrote,

I might also add that telling unbelievers that they can't do things like run for a public office, declaring 'A War On Atheism' or censoring free speech are tricks your creed pulls in America, not mine.

So as far as lumping me in with all other Christians, "my creed" and what they have done, and are doing, I dont like being seen as just "one of them". I am new in Christianity, and not sure exactly where I will fall, when all is read, said, and done. And I stated this before, and ill do it again. If I read the entire bible, and find that I cannot live by the ways it requires me to, or dont agree with what ive read, I dont know where I will fall. Probably not a Christian, since Christianity it based all around the bible.

Thats why I also have a thread here, where I can ask questions as I read the bible, to more seasoned Christians, if im not liking what im reading, instead of just ASSUMING things I read. All I do know, FOR SURE, at this point, is THERE IS A GOD, I LOVE HIM, HE LOVES ME, AND WE SHALL NEVER BE APART AGAIN! As to what religion I will end up,if any, only time will tell, and for now, I am in the Christian faith, wholeheartedly.

Guilt trip? Not my style sir. Never intended to even try, sorry you took it that way.

Hopefully you understand me better now, and why I still want to be seen as Roberta, right now, and not "one of my creed".
Time will tell what I become, as far as a label, on my love for God. So please, dont be so quick to assume, you know what im thinkin.

I agree!

It's easy to defend your so-called "massacres". And to defend your so-called "slavery". That is, if you can get past the standard "free-thinker" mentality.....

Of course it is. All one has to do is post it on the Internet and declare it to be true.

Works well, too, as long as you're preaching to the choir. Or oneself.

But hey, just get some religious nuts to start killing people again in the name of God, or kidnapping people into slavery. Then get back to us and let us know how that worked out.


-Kerry O.

Fair enough, Roberta. Life has a funny way of testing all of us-- if we're lucky, it's a long strange trip to places we sometimes never planned on going. And if we lose our faith along the way, there is often a reason we only understand after a loss.

Remember-- God sometimes writes straight with crooked lines. :)



-Kerry O.