Thank you Winterblue...I think you are right..there are signs of it everywhere...and the men seem to enjoy it more, are more relaxed into it..maybe there is less likely to be marital strife over that particular issue anyway.

Thank you Abby. I think the duties, teachings, responsibilities etc have not changed as much; they are just less and less divided my the 'man's job' 'woman's job' categories. It's a good thing...speaking from my 20th century mindset, but I do think we lost something(s) in the growth that maybe is/are being brought back with the younger men embracing the changes to a greater degree.

Thank you everyone for your responses. I just want to say, this was in no way intended to be any sort of put down to men. In fact, it is meant to celebrate them. It is my thought that as a whole our men have felt a little lost with the whole women's lib movement. IMO, a major factor in divorce rates. As women became "stronger' the balance was upset...for the balance to return men had to become...what they preceived as 'weaker' and society preceived as weaker, I mean 'who is wearing the pants in the family anyway?'...or funny even (mr Mom comes to mind)...something to laugh at or feel ashamed of...but my observation tells me that is changing...and I am kinda wanting to say to our men...welcome back you were missed.

No problem Kelp. I retain my manly pride in the knowledge that I can pee my name in the snow.

We are evolving into the species of the future where we will all be transgender.

Many children today are being born transgenders. That is the human species of the future.

You must be good with an etcha sketch.

Thanks for the kind words. Incidentially; I did serve on a combat ship. As for women serving in combat; I don't think a woman's death is any worse than the death of a man as we should all be thought of equally.

This is great. Too bad I must go to work now or would comment more. In the meantime may I offer you an hors d'oeuvres from the kitchen AND a slab form the "Q"? Will cook, clean, cry.....butt kick AZZ when necessary! <3

Men had to adapt and women had to adjust I think. I think adapting and adjusting can seem alike.

I absolutely agree...was not implying a higher value one way or the other..it's just that the holes/voids left behind...are now in both sectors of society/both genders groups....in that sense it is not an advancement for our society...idk...just expressing a thought...not really even a full thought out opinion...

yep..you can offer...but be careful i just might accept.

There is a problem that slowly started to come to light after women "evolved" however. Over the past 50 years women have become more empowered but that has also changed the family dynamic. There are a lot more "broken" homes now and single parent homes than there were in the past because of this.

Children from single parent homes tend to miss out on experience, guidance, and teachings from whichever parent is out of the picture. I have quite a few friends who grew up with only one parent and it's interesting to see how their lives turned out including their outlook on life.

Now of course I'm not saying women shouldn't have socially evolved, but that families aren't like they were in the good old days. In this day and age, yes it's more common now for there to be only one parent, and that parent can probably raise their child just fine. But families now are at a disadvantage I think compared to families from the 40's or 50's for example.

I think that the cost of living has probably affected more families than women evolving. Both parents have to work to support their kids these days as compared to the 1940s and 1950s where the mom could stay at home.

Thank you Aries. I would like to comment more to this but I am tired tonight and will try to fully respond tomorrow. Tonight however, I will just ask, surely you understand like any major issue, such as a dramatic increase in 'broken homes', there are so very many variables it is near impossible to place the weight of the problem on any one contributing factor...and then it is equally difficult to ascertain if that contributing factor is the cause or the effect of another contributing factor....kinda like our current economic state of affairs.

I agree, the option to work, became the need/requirement to work, which lead to noone in the home anymore,,,which broke up families and hurt children,,,

Oh of course, there are tons of different factors and I'm not trying to say this is the root of all cause. Necessity has changed the family dynamic to where both parents have to work in order to make ends meet in many cases, however the end result is still the same.

Ultimately subjects like this degrade into "Why are men intimidated by independent women"? Well ,we're not! What is annoying is that radical feminists appeal to equal rights until equal rights doesn't benefit them. They, then, expect men to "SUBMIT" to the philosophy of Chivalry. They play the game so they are always benefited.

Fortunately not all women subscribe to this HOWEVER enough do that men are pushing back. Some men (usually younger) have stopped opening doors, letting the lady go first, etc. and women complain that Chivalry is dead. In your effort for equality you've (possibly unknowingly) been emasculating men nationwide. Ladies, you have yourself to thank.

Women: I don't need a man for anything! Not only comes across as an insult (and in some cases untrue) but some men take this as a license to use women only for sex:

"They don't need us for anything else, why not"?

Men Adjusting: the younger generation has adjusted much to women's dislike. If women want to be treated with respect I suggest you start by treating men with a bit of respect. It does go both ways.

I certainly agree with men and women treating each other with respect. I don't see what the deal is if a woman doesn't need a man for anything as I hear men saying the same thing about women. Big deal; I certainly don't take it personally. As for holding open doors; again who cares. I open a door for a guy out of politeness and visa versa. I could care less about chilvary. I for one am glad for equality and don't get upset if a man helps me or not. I most certainly can take care of myself and I don't need a man for anything; but that doesn't mean I still can't have male friends. It would seem the only one that is degrading this subject is you as everyone else is simply putting in an opinion. We don't have to like each other's opinion or agree but not reason to fly off the handle. Seems like you need to chill out Indianadave4.

wow....emasculating? I think maybe you listen to too much talk radio,my friend. Of course now, re-reading some of what I wrote, while trying to leave room for discussion.. I can see I could have worded a few things differently here and there but, I tried hard to word my post in such a way that it was clear I, in no way, was intending to put men down...or down play their importance in our lives. I even followed-up with a post stating that my inention was the exact opposite. Did you even bother to read thru the whole thread, or at least skim it to see what the comments were like. Up until your comment it had not in any way degraded to this level. It appears you thought that was the direction it was inevitably heading so therefore let's just take it there...I think you were wrong. I could very well be wrong Idianadave but I think you might be a prime example of the generation/sector of men who have felt a bit at a loss...can't quite figure out a way to navigate these waters, but instead of admitting that, trying new things..asking what's my role here?...you respond with bitterness. That's my take on on it anyway...I could be wrong of course.