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Topic: OBAMA 2012
msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 09/26/11 05:12 PM
I find number 26 to be kind of BS. So if a guy does violent crime to me its less of a crime because I am straight? Where is equality under the law? Number 18 was going on before he took office not sure if that really counts. IT deters crime based upon someones sexual preference, hopefully I am not sure if there are that many crimes that occur because someone was 'straight'... I have set through a firefighter/conservationist camp meeting where a group openly stated they were going into town to bash some gays,,, I think that is probably more an issue than people out to bash themself some straight folks... What about people that get beaten for displaying a rebel flag.....would you consider that a hate crime?? I am on the fence on hate crimes to be honest but the way I understand it is that it is to protect people from attacks they may suffer due to things they are not in control of, or things they were born as like attacked for gender, or for race, or now, for sexual preference waving a flag is not someting I consider out of someones control, its a pretty conscious choice and would fall in with other ignorant crimes that happen because someone disapproves of what someone else believes or does.... Nor can a child help what said child is born into or becomes or believes because of it......and some would argue that religion and sexual orientations are choices.......but are choices that you are raised to be like religion....or choice of sexual orientation any less a hate crime if the crime is committed because the only thing you argue a person can not choose or help is ethnicity and birth gender

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 09/26/11 05:15 PM
On and #11, the intelligance was gathered during the Bush Presidency and was accomplished by Navy SEALS, they killed Osama, Obama didn't. INtelligence Bush had but apparently didnt authorize to use,, as OBAMA did,,,, No, intelligance they worked for years, it doesn't just happen over night. Oh yea, where was this intelligance gained? G-BAY! so to be consistent, would those suggesting that OSAMAS capture was really because of what BUSH did during his time, and OBAMA got the end of it and the credit would those people also assert that the SITUATION we are in economically is really because of what BUSH did during his time and OBAMA go the end of it and the blame? consistency would dictate this line of logic

boredinaz06 Joined Sun 10/15/06 Posts: 22764	Mon 09/26/11 05:23 PM
I didn't even get passed number 1 because that is crock. BP isn't holding up to their end of the bargain and many people in the gulf region still aren't getting paid and BP has all but outright washed their hands of this mess. They're waiting for a republican to get in office and this whole thing will go away. Bravo Mr. President, you sure showed them!

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Mon 09/26/11 06:37 PM
Well, I give him credit for what he has done but he was in position to do so much more and didn't because of his damn cooperation crap. I have been writing letters and stuff to try to get him to show more balls. But we have no problem with him getting back in office with all the loons that are opposing him. There isn't a viable candidate to challenge him. I just hope he doesn't disappoint the next four years. I have been disappointed with him this last four. ???? are pigs flying right now? is hell freezing over? OMG, i don't think i've ever heard you say anything like that before... but i am glad to see a die hard obama fan admit it... i would buy you a drink if i could... Obviously you don't read all of my posts. So no drink needed. thanks anyway. well, the others didn't matter, that's the one that mattered... but kidding aside, i'm sorry your disappointed, but glad you admit it "admitting" implies a problem doing it or a reason for self defense...lol Too bad you are wrong still. I have been displaying my dismay with him since he failed to get healthcare done by being too cooperative and failing to stop the wars and failing to close gitmo and etc....

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Mon 09/26/11 06:40 PM
On and #11, the intelligance was gathered during the Bush Presidency and was accomplished by Navy SEALS, they killed Osama, Obama didn't. INtelligence Bush had but apparently didnt authorize to use,, as OBAMA did,,,, No, intelligance they worked for years, it doesn't just happen over night. Oh yea, where was this intelligance gained? G-BAY! so to be consistent, would those suggesting that OSAMAS capture was really because of what BUSH did during his time, and OBAMA got the end of it and the credit would those people also assert that the SITUATION we are in economically is really because of what BUSH did during his time and OBAMA go the end of it and the blame? consistency would dictate this line of logic You are asking too much.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Mon 09/26/11 06:45 PM
the intelligance was gathered during the Bush Presidency and was accomplished by Navy SEALS, they killed Osama, Obama didn't Where does this stuff come from? Oh never mind. I guess we know where it comes from. It's like pointing out that the Pentagon planned and executed Shock and Awe in Iraq. Bush didn't have anything to do with it. He was clearing brush in Texas. The key work was done to find Osama before Obama was president. Is that too complicated for you to understand? Or are you just unaware of the timeline of events? This is too damn funny.... So Bush knew but didn't do? Figures. You know perfectly well that isn't what it says. Bush put into motion the CIA action that trailed Osama's couriers. This one had been tracked since 2008 but they weren't sure of the identity of his destination until Obama got in office. So did Bush do it or did Obama do it?

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Mon 09/26/11 07:05 PM
the intelligance was gathered during the Bush Presidency and was accomplished by Navy SEALS, they killed Osama, Obama didn't Where does this stuff come from? Oh never mind. I guess we know where it comes from. It's like pointing out that the Pentagon planned and executed Shock and Awe in Iraq. Bush didn't have anything to do with it. He was clearing brush in Texas. The key work was done to find Osama before Obama was president. Is that too complicated for you to understand? Or are you just unaware of the timeline of events? This is too damn funny.... So Bush knew but didn't do? Figures. You know perfectly well that isn't what it says. Bush put into motion the CIA action that trailed Osama's couriers. This one had been tracked since 2008 but they weren't sure of the identity of his destination until Obama got in office. So did Bush do it or did Obama do it? Under Bush, everything was done that found Osama, but they were not sure of his true identity after the courier was tracked to his compound. A close watch was made of the compound. After Obama came into office, Osama's identity was confirmed and he was killed. The hard part was finding him.

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Mon 09/26/11 07:07 PM
I find number 26 to be kind of BS. So if a guy does violent crime to me its less of a crime because I am straight? Where is equality under the law? Number 18 was going on before he took office not sure if that really counts. IT deters crime based upon someones sexual preference, hopefully I am not sure if there are that many crimes that occur because someone was 'straight'... I have set through a firefighter/conservationist camp meeting where a group openly stated they were going into town to bash some gays,,, I think that is probably more an issue than people out to bash themself some straight folks... What about people that get beaten for displaying a rebel flag.....would you consider that a hate crime?? I am on the fence on hate crimes to be honest but the way I understand it is that it is to protect people from attacks they may suffer due to things they are not in control of, or things they were born as like attacked for gender, or for race, or now, for sexual preference waving a flag is not someting I consider out of someones control, its a pretty conscious choice and would fall in with other ignorant crimes that happen because someone disapproves of what someone else believes or does.... Nor can a child help what said child is born into or becomes or believes because of it......and some would argue that religion and sexual orientations are choices.......but are choices that you are raised to be like religion....or choice of sexual orientation any less a hate crime if the crime is committed because the only thing you argue a person can not choose or help is ethnicity and birth gender agreed but you get my point lol

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Mon 09/26/11 07:10 PM
the intelligance was gathered during the Bush Presidency and was accomplished by Navy SEALS, they killed Osama, Obama didn't Where does this stuff come from? Oh never mind. I guess we know where it comes from. It's like pointing out that the Pentagon planned and executed Shock and Awe in Iraq. Bush didn't have anything to do with it. He was clearing brush in Texas. The key work was done to find Osama before Obama was president. Is that too complicated for you to understand? Or are you just unaware of the timeline of events? This is too damn funny.... So Bush knew but didn't do? Figures. You know perfectly well that isn't what it says. Bush put into motion the CIA action that trailed Osama's couriers. This one had been tracked since 2008 but they weren't sure of the identity of his destination until Obama got in office. So did Bush do it or did Obama do it? President Bush did it.

artlo Joined Sat 01/29/11 Posts: 3085	Mon 09/26/11 07:23 PM
I'm willing to give the intelligence services a lot of credit for finding the lead to Bin Laden's location. That's what the CIA does. It didn't really take a Presidential decree to do it. Bush doesn't seem to have done much of anything. With his close relationship with the Bin Laden family, it is uncertain whether he ever would have. President Obama wasn't in much of a position to do anything before he became President. He did pick up the ball and take action. That probably didn't require a lot of action either, but at least he did it. He will forever have the accomplishment on his scorecard, regardless of what his critics think. I think that's a good thing, since it will help him to be re-elected. The entire issue is a matter of whether the Bush/Cheney torture strategy had anything to do with gaining the intelligence. So far, we only have the word of Cheney and other Bush Administration officials to go on. The American people will determine how much credibility they want give that.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Mon 09/26/11 07:29 PM
I'm willing to give the intelligence services a lot of credit for finding the lead to Bin Laden's location. That's what the CIA does. It didn't really take a Presidential decree to do it. Bush doesn't seem to have done much of anything. With his close relationship with the Bin Laden family, it is uncertain whether he ever would have. President Obama wasn't in much of a position to do anything before he became President. He did pick up the ball and take action. That probably didn't require a lot of action either, but at least he did it. He will forever have the accomplishment on his scorecard, regardless of what his critics think. I think that's a good thing, since it will help him to be re-elected. The entire issue is a matter of whether the Bush/Cheney torture strategy had anything to do with gaining the intelligence. So far, we only have the word of Cheney and other Bush Administration officials to go on. The American people will determine how much credibility they want give that. You realize the majority of the world leaders are friends with with Bin Laden family being they own the largest construction company world wide AND are contracted with almost every government including projects ordered by the Clinton Administration.......... Not to mention his family disowned him in the late 80's, so no big deal here.

artlo Joined Sat 01/29/11 Posts: 3085	Mon 09/26/11 07:44 PM
so no big deal here. OK, so what's your point?

artlo Joined Sat 01/29/11 Posts: 3085	Mon 09/26/11 08:09 PM
Now, this was an interesting article. When Bush disbanded the CIA unit that was searching for Bin Laden in 2006, the agency seemed to have ideas of it's own what focus the search should take, or even whether Bin Laden himself was all that important. There is no mention in the article about any input from the President. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html?hp&ex=1152072000&en=5ced05aa2a8d9b76&ei=5094&partner=homepage Even as President, Obama has not been reported to have had any personal relationship with the Bin Laden family.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Mon 09/26/11 08:13 PM
the intelligance was gathered during the Bush Presidency and was accomplished by Navy SEALS, they killed Osama, Obama didn't Where does this stuff come from? Oh never mind. I guess we know where it comes from. It's like pointing out that the Pentagon planned and executed Shock and Awe in Iraq. Bush didn't have anything to do with it. He was clearing brush in Texas. The key work was done to find Osama before Obama was president. Is that too complicated for you to understand? Or are you just unaware of the timeline of events? This is too damn funny.... So Bush knew but didn't do? Figures. You know perfectly well that isn't what it says. Bush put into motion the CIA action that trailed Osama's couriers. This one had been tracked since 2008 but they weren't sure of the identity of his destination until Obama got in office. So did Bush do it or did Obama do it? Under Bush, everything was done that found Osama, but they were not sure of his true identity after the courier was tracked to his compound. A close watch was made of the compound. After Obama came into office, Osama's identity was confirmed and he was killed. The hard part was finding him. LOL well I guess if that works in your mind, you believe it. So who got Osama?

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Mon 09/26/11 08:16 PM
the intelligance was gathered during the Bush Presidency and was accomplished by Navy SEALS, they killed Osama, Obama didn't Where does this stuff come from? Oh never mind. I guess we know where it comes from. It's like pointing out that the Pentagon planned and executed Shock and Awe in Iraq. Bush didn't have anything to do with it. He was clearing brush in Texas. The key work was done to find Osama before Obama was president. Is that too complicated for you to understand? Or are you just unaware of the timeline of events? This is too damn funny.... So Bush knew but didn't do? Figures. You know perfectly well that isn't what it says. Bush put into motion the CIA action that trailed Osama's couriers. This one had been tracked since 2008 but they weren't sure of the identity of his destination until Obama got in office. So did Bush do it or did Obama do it? President Bush did it.

boredinaz06 Joined Sun 10/15/06 Posts: 22764	Mon 09/26/11 10:01 PM
2012 Its not an election, its a restraining order!

artlo Joined Sat 01/29/11 Posts: 3085	Mon 09/26/11 11:17 PM
The hard part was finding him. I give the CIA a lot of credit for it. But, what did George W Bush have to do with it? Obama is going to get the credit for it. Live with it.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 09/27/11 06:15 AM
the intelligance was gathered during the Bush Presidency and was accomplished by Navy SEALS, they killed Osama, Obama didn't Where does this stuff come from? Oh never mind. I guess we know where it comes from. It's like pointing out that the Pentagon planned and executed Shock and Awe in Iraq. Bush didn't have anything to do with it. He was clearing brush in Texas. The key work was done to find Osama before Obama was president. Is that too complicated for you to understand? Or are you just unaware of the timeline of events? This is too damn funny.... So Bush knew but didn't do? Figures. You know perfectly well that isn't what it says. Bush put into motion the CIA action that trailed Osama's couriers. This one had been tracked since 2008 but they weren't sure of the identity of his destination until Obama got in office. So did Bush do it or did Obama do it? Under Bush, everything was done that found Osama, but they were not sure of his true identity after the courier was tracked to his compound. A close watch was made of the compound. After Obama came into office, Osama's identity was confirmed and he was killed. The hard part was finding him. LOL well I guess if that works in your mind, you believe it. So who got Osama? whomever got us into economic strain,,,,,,lol its either where the buck stops, or where it started,,, I Can never keep track ,,

InvictusV Joined Sun 11/23/08 Posts: 5282	Tue 09/27/11 06:52 AM
the intelligance was gathered during the Bush Presidency and was accomplished by Navy SEALS, they killed Osama, Obama didn't Where does this stuff come from? Oh never mind. I guess we know where it comes from. It's like pointing out that the Pentagon planned and executed Shock and Awe in Iraq. Bush didn't have anything to do with it. He was clearing brush in Texas. The key work was done to find Osama before Obama was president. Is that too complicated for you to understand? Or are you just unaware of the timeline of events? This is too damn funny.... So Bush knew but didn't do? Figures. You know perfectly well that isn't what it says. Bush put into motion the CIA action that trailed Osama's couriers. This one had been tracked since 2008 but they weren't sure of the identity of his destination until Obama got in office. So did Bush do it or did Obama do it? Under Bush, everything was done that found Osama, but they were not sure of his true identity after the courier was tracked to his compound. A close watch was made of the compound. After Obama came into office, Osama's identity was confirmed and he was killed. The hard part was finding him. LOL well I guess if that works in your mind, you believe it. So who got Osama? whomever got us into economic strain,,,,,,lol its either where the buck stops, or where it started,,, I Can never keep track ,, it wasn't one person that created this. it isn't one person that is continuing this. it is a collective effort that started long before I was born. the question is do you continue the same failed ideas that got us here or do you actually do what is necessary to get us on a track to get out of it.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Tue 09/27/11 07:24 AM
I find number 26 to be kind of BS. So if a guy does violent crime to me its less of a crime because I am straight? Where is equality under the law? Number 18 was going on before he took office not sure if that really counts. IT deters crime based upon someones sexual preference, hopefully I am not sure if there are that many crimes that occur because someone was 'straight'... I have set through a firefighter/conservationist camp meeting where a group openly stated they were going into town to bash some gays,,, I think that is probably more an issue than people out to bash themself some straight folks... What about people that get beaten for displaying a rebel flag.....would you consider that a hate crime?? I am on the fence on hate crimes to be honest but the way I understand it is that it is to protect people from attacks they may suffer due to things they are not in control of, or things they were born as like attacked for gender, or for race, or now, for sexual preference waving a flag is not someting I consider out of someones control, its a pretty conscious choice and would fall in with other ignorant crimes that happen because someone disapproves of what someone else believes or does.... Hate is hate. People may not choose to be gay but they choose to be open about it. People can hide being gay but can't hide skin color or gender. So how is it different for anyone else to not hide something they are passionate about? Should they hide who they are so someone doesn't commit a crime against them for it?