yup...and that I think what really happened to him...but what got us all was him bringing in Hitler...which has been dead for decades and then talking about Jews....what do they have to do with him having a problem because he had no papers...why I asked a few times why did he have no papers is because many are driving without their papers for many reasons

Actually, you don't need to necessarily know who you are. Homeless schizophrenics often do not know who they are or carry I.D. and they cannot be arrested for that.

(at least in Texas) you don't have to carry ID to walk, etc. But if you get pulled over (suspected in a crime or something) then you do have to prove who you are. Cops can search you by the name you give but it's quicker to show an ID or DL

I think she is right...here to in Canada Pedestrians are not required to carry ID

the last time i was stopped, it took fifteen minutes, at a minimum.

the reason being we have no offical national id card. We have cards which show id, but their purpose is not for that.

Drivers license are to prove we are valid to drive a vehicle.
passport proves you are a citizen
social security card proves you are legal to work(or be claimed on taxes)


if citizens choose not to drive or dont travel internationally or have a need to work ,,,there is no legal way to require them to purchase such documents,,,

Variations in “stop and identify” laws

Four states’ laws (Arizona, Indiana, Nevada, and Ohio) explicitly impose an obligation to provide identifying information.
Fifteen states grant police authority to ask questions, with varying wording, but do not explicitly impose an obligation to respond:
In Montana, police “may request” identifying information;
In 13 states (Alabama, Delaware, Illinois, Kansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New York, North Dakota, Rhode Island, Utah, Wisconsin), police “may demand” identifying information;
In Colorado, police “may require” identifying information of a person.
Identifying information varies, but typically includes
Name, address, and an explanation of the person’s actions;
In some cases it also includes the person’s intended destination, the person’s date of birth (Indiana and Ohio), or written identification if available (Colorado).
Arizona’s law, apparently written specifically to codify the holding in Hiibel, requires a person’s “true full name”.
Nevada’s law, which requires a person to “identify himself or herself”, apparently requires only that the person state his or her name.
In five states (Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, New Hampshire, and Rhode Island), failure to identify oneself is one factor to be considered in a decision to arrest. In all but Rhode Island, the consideration arises in the context of loitering or prowling.
Six states (Arizona, Florida, Indiana, New Mexico, Ohio, and Vermont) explicitly impose a criminal penalty for noncompliance with the obligation to identify oneself.
As of February 2011, the validity of a law requiring that a person detained provide anything more than stating his or her name has not come before the U.S. Supreme Court.

What we have learned here tonight:

The cops in Arkansas are MUCH slower than the cops in Nevada.

Good night, Mingle Peeps!

I didn't know that about the other states

ya.... they do not pay and we pay?

...good night Ruth34611

not having your papers is the same everywhere....

anyways volant...sorry you had to go though that...but thats what you get when you forget your papers...follow the rules and you will never have a problem...I know it sucks at times ....but in the end will pay off

Yeah, I ignored all that, as it really had nothing to do with what happened to him.

Yup...still wish he would tell us why he had no papers...not answering is because....only volant can tell us

It doesn't matter, really. He got caught without them and for that reason, he was detained. Simple as that, really.

and dragging us in

....with his mistake....

i didnt have my license on me at the time

yes i had insurance and registration

but not my licence (national identity card)

that number stays the same all your life much like your ss number

a guy just told me that his daughter 16 couldnt get her license yet

even though she passed the test

because she had to wait for her biometric picture to clear

to prove she wasnt a terrorist or criminal

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the problem is that they stop everybody and ask for id

so if i was a jew hiding from the nazis i would be caught

the fema cameras even id your passengers not just the drivers

and anyone walking by them

there are tons right by my house

they see you, listen too and smell you

(explained on our local news awhile back)pittsburgh pa

so i guess i should stop going outside or in stores too

im not paranoid

they are there to track the population

not terrorists

the cops cant even see on them

a DL is proof that you are allowed to drive...not live. Let's stop making comparisons to you not carrying your DL (like you are supposed to) to the Jewish people in Nazi Germany.

That is NO comparison.

The reason you were detained was because YOU failed to do as you are required for the privilege to drive (carry your DL). You were detained to verify that you were who you claimed to be and not someone from American's Most Wanted

If someone isn't responsible enough to carry their license, or at the very least own up to their bad if they forget it at home (I have done that before myself) then maybe they shouldn't be driving.

JMO