Is Jesus God ..

this question seem to be the reason why Christians have split into so many different denominations but it's probably one of the most easiest answers to figure out by simply taking the time to go to "Genesis "In The Beginning"

this is the quest to find exactly where in the bible and which passage that Jesus clearly indisputably makes his first biblical debut ....is it in The Old Testament or only in The New Testament proving once and for all that he isn't God

Genesis 1
In The Beginning God created The Heavens and The Earth..

nothing about Jesus or a trinity or any three God-heads so far

Genesis 1:2
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


some may argue that the spirit or God mention in this passage was another Godhead....but the passage states that the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.......

since God is omnipresent he wouldn't have to move he would exist everywhere, this is why some claim that the spirit being referred to was a angel since an angel would also be referred to as being a spirit of God

but either way the bible makes no mention of any other God a trinity or anything about three God-heads

so far...no Jesus

Genesis 1:3
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.


according to this passage, Light didn't exist until God created it...the faithful will constantly tell of how Jesus is the Light .....if this is so, then this would make Jesus a creation not a Godhead ..unless of course the faithful also believe that God is a creation

also thanks to Satan getting Eve to take knowledge from the fruit, Man has the knowledge to create light himself ...and by hooking up a battery some wires and a filament can create Jesus...

Genesis 1:4
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.


in this passage apparently God himself saw the light ..halleluhah ...can I get a witness ....

but then again it's nothing in the passage that indicate that the light was Jesus ...

Genesis 1:5
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

in this passage God himself called The Light "Day"... indicating that "In The Beginning that "Day" was the light...not Jesus

Genesis 1:6
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

no Jesus in this passage...but a "hell" of a lot of water (no pun intended) for him to make wine with

Genesis 1:7
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

wow it would have been so cool if Jesus made some wine from those waters before God seperated them .......he could have bottled it and made a forture....name it Heaven's Wine......drink enough and you will see God...or think you see him

Genesis 1:8
God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning--the second day.

wow.....a whole day and still no Jesus...where is this guy at...he's harder to find in Genesis than it is to find a Christian in a church that follow all of his teachings

From the Wiki article on "Messiah"

A messiah (Hebrew: מָשִׁיחַ, Modern Mashiaẖ Tiberian Māšîăḥ Arabic language مسيح Masih “anointed”) is a redeemer figure expected or foretold in one form or another by a religion. Slightly more widely, a messiah is any redeemer figure. Messianic beliefs or theories generally relate to eschatological improvement of the state of humanity or the world.[1]

Messiahs appear in many religions including Hinduism,Judaism, Christianity and Islam. In the Hebrew Bible messiahs are priests and kings, who were traditionally anointed with holy anointing oil as described in Exodus 30:22-25. In later Jewish messianic tradition and eschatology, messiah refers to a leader anointed by God, and in some cases, a future King of Israel, physically descended from the Davidic line, who will rule the united tribes of Israel[2] and herald the Messianic Age[3] of global peace. In Judaism, the Messiah is not considered to be God or a Son of God.

The translation of the Hebrew word Mašíaḥ as Χριστός (Khristós) in the Greek Septuagint[4] became the accepted Christian designation and title of Jesus of Nazareth, indicative of the principal character and function of his ministry. Christians believe that prophecies in the Hebrew Bible (especially Isaiah) refer to a spiritual savior and believe Jesus to be that Messiah (Christ).

Islamic tradition holds the view that Jesus (Isa), son of Mary, was indeed the promised prophet and Messiah (Masih), sent to the Semitic Jewish tribes living in Israel. He will again return to Earth in the end times and descend from heaven to defeat the "great deceiver", the Dajjal (false messiah/antichrist).[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah



The Torah describes the advent of the Messiah in the portion of Balak, couched in poetic prophetic prose: "I see him, but not now. I perceive him, but he is not near. There shall step forth a star out of Jacob, and a scepter shall rise out of Israel... From Jacob shall issue out and destroy the remnant of the city",[8] which Jewish Biblical scholars expound refers to the Messiah's victory over Israel's enemies.[9]

This is in Numbers 22-24 not Genesis.

but since some are trying to claim that Jesus was God before he was the Messiah and existed "In The beginning"..is why one has to first look in Genesis

Genesis 1:9
And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so.


perhaps the biblical evidence to argue the scientific theory that a Super Continent existed which supposedly over time formed the seven continents

Genesis 1:10
And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.


I guess God forgot to tell the authors of the bible that there were Oceans out there ...

Genesis 1:11
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

in this passage God gave the Earth the same power as himself....the power to create life from dirt and from itself

perhaps this passage explain why some religions worship the Earth or nature as God

Genesis 1:12
And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good



according to this passage God approves of pot smoking, ...he saw it and seen that it was good...it was the good stuff .....hey my man, be an angel and pass the weed ...

now in this passage clearly you would expect to find someone with long hair wearing a toga and earth shoes ....but yet still no jesus

Genesis 1:13
And the evening and the morning were the third day.

wow..... two whole days of Creation and still no evidence of Jesus or of any hint of three Godheads....

Since Jesus is God then here is your reference to Jesus in Genesis.
Doesn't matter what you call God. It's still God.

In Hebrew, the word "God" (Elohim) is plural. So every type you typed "God", Genesis was talking about the trinity.

Because Jesus wasn't "created". Jesus always has been. Genesis is the knowledge of the creation of everything, but again, Jesus wasn't "created" in the time of creation for he always has been.

John 1:1

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

So, no Jesus wouldn't be in Genesis in the creation of everything. Jesus wasn't "created". He was with God our father in the beginning. As we can see in the next verse, Jesus is mentioned in Genesis though. Not the creation of Jesus, cause again he wasn't "created", but nevertheless he is referred to in Genesis fairly early on.

Genesis 3:21

21Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

where in Genesis 1 does it mention your statement "since Jesus is God" ...

next someone probably say "since Satan is God"....or "since Elvis is God" ...

the quest of the thread is to find out which passage in the bible that Jesus clearly and indisputably makes his biblical debut ...not to make up stuff