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Topic: Where in the Genesis is Jesus
CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 07/19/11 10:28 AM
DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS It is obvious (or should be, after three pages of argument) that Funches doesn't believe that Jesus is mentioned in Genesis. You aren't going to convince him otherwise, so why bother? HE IS NOT LOOKING FOR ANSWERS. It's a trap to make believers look insane or stupid. Every verse will be taken out of context or twisted ... every statement will be turned to make you look ridiculous. You're "casting pearls before swine" and just wasting your time. Here's a Wiki entry for ya: "Troll (Internet): In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion." I completely understand and agree with this. I don't respond for the sake of Funches, I respond for the sake of the other readers who are here for answers. He just brings up good discussions that others may have the same questions and or thoughts. I thank him for questioning the bible in every way. Gives me reason to look specific things up that I learn from and can possibly teach someone else here that is wanting to learn rather then just argue for the sake of arguing. so anyone that question Christian belief automatically becomes a Troll ....Troll is actually a substitute for the term Heretics ...in todays society it's no longer politically correct for Christians to refer to others not of their faith as being Heretics...probably because once upon a time Christians use to torture and murder them these type of Troll posts only proves how those same type of self-rigtheous horrors are only a religious belief away ...and that is why each and every belief no matter the subject matter religious or not must be debated You aren't a troll for questioning Christianity, even Christians do that. You are a troll because you ask a question you know isn't answered in Genesis and pretend that you have disproven Christianity. You have even said yourself that you'll believe in Christianity if we can prove the trinity is explicitly described in Genesis, while you know it's not. You aren't serious about this, you aren't trying to learn anything, you aren't trying to educate anyone, you are just trying to stir up trouble. That's why she said you are a troll. Genesis 1:26 26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. ---------- Notice US ============= Genesis 3:22 22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: ------------ Again, notice US =============== Genesis 11:7 7Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. -------------- Once again, notice US.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 07/19/11 10:30 AM
Genesis 18 1And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; Notice, and the LORD appeared, this would be Jesus Christ in case you weren't aware. sorry Cowboy.. but the Lord in "Genesis 18" could have only been referring to The Father... unless of course can you provide a passage from Genesis that states otherwise That wouldn't make much sense. God our father is the head of everything, he is top dog. Lord comes second eg., Jesus Christ the SON second in line. that's my point, when it comes to Lords Jesus is not "the top dog" ...this is why Genesis was referring to only The Father ....and for you to suggest otherwise then supply a passage from Genesis that states otherwise..... can you? ...if not.....then you are once again making up stuff that's not in Genesis Jesus is "the top dog" of us. Jesus is our lord, our leader, our saviour. Jesus isn't the head of everything, only us and this world along with the inhabitants of it. God has given Jesus this power.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 07/19/11 10:39 AM
You aren't a troll for questioning Christianity, even Christians do that. You are a troll because you ask a question you know isn't answered in Genesis and pretend that you have disproven Christianity. You have even said yourself that you'll believe in Christianity if we can prove the trinity is explicitly described in Genesis, while you know it's not. You aren't serious about this, you aren't trying to learn anything, you aren't trying to educate anyone, you are just trying to stir up trouble. That's why she said you are a troll. "Spidercmb"...so if the answer I ask is not in Genesis...then what is the name for those such as yourself that try to play like the answer is in Genesis ....Fake Christians? I started a tread to teach believers that genesis proves that Jesus was not God but only the son which is still considered to be the basis of Christianity....but yet you guys are trying to condemn me for it...do you also condemn other Christians that claim that Jesus is not God but only the son

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Tue 07/19/11 10:43 AM
You aren't a troll for questioning Christianity, even Christians do that. You are a troll because you ask a question you know isn't answered in Genesis and pretend that you have disproven Christianity. You have even said yourself that you'll believe in Christianity if we can prove the trinity is explicitly described in Genesis, while you know it's not. You aren't serious about this, you aren't trying to learn anything, you aren't trying to educate anyone, you are just trying to stir up trouble. That's why she said you are a troll. "Spidercmb"...so if the answer I ask is not in Genesis...then what is the name for those such as yourself that try to play like the answer is in Genesis ....Fake Christians? I started a tread to teach believers that genesis proves that Jesus was not God but only the son which is still considered to be the basis of Christianity....but yet you guys are trying to condemn me for it...do you also condemn other Christians that claim that Jesus is not God but only the son Funches, I'm not stupid. I know the difference between implicit and explicit. Try with someone else, okay?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 07/19/11 10:44 AM
Genesis 1:26 26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. ---------- Notice US ============= Genesis 3:22 22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: ------------ Again, notice US =============== Genesis 11:7 7Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. -------------- Once again, notice US. sorry Cowboy...the "Us" in Genesis could be God talking to the angels ....he could in fact be talking to Satan his most prized angel...and sharing the news about man Genesis makes no reference who God was talking to...he may have been crazy and talking to himself ...but Genesis states nothing about the "US" being another God head or Jesus

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 07/19/11 10:48 AM
You aren't a troll for questioning Christianity, even Christians do that. You are a troll because you ask a question you know isn't answered in Genesis and pretend that you have disproven Christianity. You have even said yourself that you'll believe in Christianity if we can prove the trinity is explicitly described in Genesis, while you know it's not. You aren't serious about this, you aren't trying to learn anything, you aren't trying to educate anyone, you are just trying to stir up trouble. That's why she said you are a troll. "Spidercmb"...so if the answer I ask is not in Genesis...then what is the name for those such as yourself that try to play like the answer is in Genesis ....Fake Christians? I started a tread to teach believers that genesis proves that Jesus was not God but only the son which is still considered to be the basis of Christianity....but yet you guys are trying to condemn me for it...do you also condemn other Christians that claim that Jesus is not God but only the son Funches, I'm not stupid. I know the difference between implicit and explicit. Try with someone else, okay? Spidercmb...as forrest gump said...stupid is as stupid does...the thread is not about your knowledge of the differences between implicit or explicit...it' about you giving a passage in Genesis where it states anything about three God heads....either you can or you can't

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 07/19/11 10:55 AM
Jesus is "the top dog" of us. Jesus is our lord, our leader, our saviour. Jesus isn't the head of everything, only us and this world along with the inhabitants of it. God has given Jesus this power. Cowboy....where in that in Genesis?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 07/19/11 11:00 AM
Genesis 1:26 26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. ---------- Notice US ============= Genesis 3:22 22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: ------------ Again, notice US =============== Genesis 11:7 7Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. -------------- Once again, notice US. sorry Cowboy...the "Us" in Genesis could be God talking to the angels ....he could in fact be talking to Satan his most prized angel...and sharing the news about man Genesis makes no reference who God was talking to...he may have been crazy and talking to himself ...but Genesis states nothing about the "US" being another God head or Jesus This verse is more specific for you on a different God being mentioned. Lord God, that would be Jesus Christ, our lord. There is God our father, God the son, and God the Holy Ghost. Remember we are all Gods. Know ye not that ye are Gods? The term God on Earth has been used to refer to God our father. That is why it's specifics about God our FATHER, for again we are all Gods. And now we see God our Lord eg., Jesus Christ. Genesis 2:7 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 07/19/11 11:09 AM
Genesis 1:26 26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. ---------- Notice US ============= Genesis 3:22 22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: ------------ Again, notice US =============== Genesis 11:7 7Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. -------------- Once again, notice US. sorry Cowboy...the "Us" in Genesis could be God talking to the angels ....he could in fact be talking to Satan his most prized angel...and sharing the news about man Genesis makes no reference who God was talking to...he may have been crazy and talking to himself ...but Genesis states nothing about the "US" being another God head or Jesus This verse is more specific for you on a different God being mentioned. Lord God, that would be Jesus Christ, our lord. There is God our father, God the son, and God the Holy Ghost. Remember we are all Gods. Know ye not that ye are Gods? The term God on Earth has been used to refer to God our father. That is why it's specifics about God our FATHER, for again we are all Gods. And now we see God our Lord eg., Jesus Christ. Genesis 2:7 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. And we know these are two separate "gods". For in Chapter one it only says God, doesn't have LORD God. So we can see it's speaking of two separate beings or there would have been used the same title.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 07/19/11 11:12 AM
This verse is more specific for you on a different God being mentioned. Lord God, that would be Jesus Christ, our lord. There is God our father, God the son, and God the Holy Ghost. Remember we are all Gods. Know ye not that ye are Gods? The term God on Earth has been used to refer to God our father. That is why it's specifics about God our FATHER, for again we are all Gods. And now we see God our Lord eg., Jesus Christ. Cowboy....if we are all God as you just stated then that would mean that everyone was there in Genesis which only show that you are rambling... also specifics would mean that Genesis specifically states that there were three God heads ...so far you haven't provided any passage that prove that there were two godheads,let along three of them Genesis 2:7 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. referring to the Father not Jesus

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 07/19/11 11:14 AM
Genesis 1:26 26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. ---------- Notice US ============= Genesis 3:22 22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: ------------ Again, notice US =============== Genesis 11:7 7Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. -------------- Once again, notice US. sorry Cowboy...the "Us" in Genesis could be God talking to the angels ....he could in fact be talking to Satan his most prized angel...and sharing the news about man Genesis makes no reference who God was talking to...he may have been crazy and talking to himself ...but Genesis states nothing about the "US" being another God head or Jesus This verse is more specific for you on a different God being mentioned. Lord God, that would be Jesus Christ, our lord. There is God our father, God the son, and God the Holy Ghost. Remember we are all Gods. Know ye not that ye are Gods? The term God on Earth has been used to refer to God our father. That is why it's specifics about God our FATHER, for again we are all Gods. And now we see God our Lord eg., Jesus Christ. Genesis 2:7 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. And we know these are two separate "gods". For in Chapter one it only says God, doesn't have LORD God. So we can see it's speaking of two separate beings or there would have been used the same title. They are separate, yet they are one. Just as your body is made up of many separate parts but make up one being, you. God the father is the head, God the lord, Jesus is the body, and the God, Holy Ghost is the life. It's only ourselves that has dedicated the word "God" to specifically God our father. Notice in the following verse, it specifically says there shall be no other Gods before me. This would indicate there are other "Gods". Exodus 20:3 3Thou shalt have no other gods before me. But yet, they are one, they are joined together. Look at earlier example for explanation on how this works for further understanding.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 07/19/11 11:17 AM
This verse is more specific for you on a different God being mentioned. Lord God, that would be Jesus Christ, our lord. There is God our father, God the son, and God the Holy Ghost. Remember we are all Gods. Know ye not that ye are Gods? The term God on Earth has been used to refer to God our father. That is why it's specifics about God our FATHER, for again we are all Gods. And now we see God our Lord eg., Jesus Christ. Cowboy....if we are all God as you just stated then that would mean that everyone was there in Genesis which only show that you are rambling... also specifics would mean that Genesis specifically states that there were three God heads ...so far you haven't provided any passage that prove that there were two godheads,let along three of them Genesis 2:7 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. referring to the Father not Jesus We are all one with God if we choose to be. That is where the terminology born again comes in. When someone is born again, they rise a different person. Yes their body, outer structure is the same. But your body isn't you. You can change your body without changing you. When you are born again, you are changed into a child of God, you become a part of God.

Alterette Joined Mon 06/06/11 Posts: 1600	Tue 07/19/11 11:21 AM
DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS translated that means...close your mind to all that are not of your Faith It is obvious (or should be, after three pages of argument) that Funches doesn't believe that Jesus is mentioned in Genesis. no sh_t? You aren't going to convince him otherwise, so why bother? HE IS NOT LOOKING FOR ANSWERS. my mind is open...all you have to do is provide a passage in Genesis where it states anything about the existence of three God heads It's a trap to make believers look insane or stupid. I wish I could take credit for that...but the authors of The New Testament beat me to it Every verse will be taken out of context or twisted ... perhaps "passage twisting" explains why there are so many different denominations of Christians every statement will be turned to make you look ridiculous. that's because giving statements about Jesus that are not in Genesis instead of supplying passages about Jesus that are in Genesis is destined to make one look ridiculous You're "casting pearls before swine" and just wasting your time. oink oink Here's a Wiki entry for ya: Wikipedia..where some Christians go instead of going to church "Troll (Internet): In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion." ahhh name calling....so refreshing to see the teachings of Jesus in action God please forgive "alterette" ...for she knows not what she type .. but anyway are you finish having your connipton fit so that we can get back on topic and find where in the Genesis is Jesus? Gee, that's funny. I never said I was a Christian, did I? Let's try it this time from the Urban Dictionary: Troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument. By the way, it's not name calling, it's a label, just like "Republican" or "student". And you fit the description perfectly. You're not here for enlightenment; your mind couldn't be more closed if it was superglued. It doesn't matter what the subject is, a troll is a troll.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 07/19/11 11:21 AM
Also notice in this verse, it specifically says the SPIRIT of God. Doesn't just say God, or Lord God, or anything like that. Says spirit of God, which would be the holy spirit. Genesis 1:2 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. So as shown in the previous few verses here it does show the trinity in Genesis. We have Lord God, Spirit God, and Father God.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 07/19/11 11:25 AM
Also notice in this verse, it specifically says the SPIRIT of God. Doesn't just say God, or Lord God, or anything like that. Says spirit of God, which would be the holy spirit. Genesis 1:2 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. So as shown in the previous few verses here it does show the trinity in Genesis. We have Lord God, Spirit God, and Father God. Also just notice another bit of evidence showing the trinity inside the evidence I showed lol. I want you to notice in the Genesis 1:2 verse, the word "spirit" is capitalised. It's not referring to the spirit of our father God. It's an entity by itself. If it was referring to the spirit of God our father it wouldn't have been capitalised.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 07/19/11 11:28 AM
And we know these are two separate "gods". For in Chapter one it only says God, doesn't have LORD God. So we can see it's speaking of two separate beings or there would have been used the same title. Cowboy.......heres a fact you probably never notice....if you read Genesis you will notice that during creation the creator is always referred to as being God never as Lord.....only after the creation of Man was the term lord used

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 07/19/11 11:32 AM
We are all one with God if we choose to be. That is where the terminology born again comes in. When someone is born again, they rise a different person. Yes their body, outer structure is the same. But your body isn't you. You can change your body without changing you. When you are born again, you are changed into a child of God, you become a part of God. Jeez Cowboy...are you incapable of discussing Genesis without introducing your own personal views pretaining to Christianity which are nowhere in Genesis

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 07/19/11 11:36 AM
And we know these are two separate "gods". For in Chapter one it only says God, doesn't have LORD God. So we can see it's speaking of two separate beings or there would have been used the same title. Cowboy.......heres a fact you probably never notice....if you read Genesis you will notice that during creation the creator is always referred to as being God never as Lord.....only after the creation of Man was the term lord used Oh but you are wrong my friend. Specifically in this verse it says Lord. Genesis 2:7 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Don't know what version you use to look verses up, but I would suggest using an older version. Preferably King James. King James version is the closest to the original language as it gets after being translated into English. The American Standard, new American Standard, ect have been translated even further then that, and we all know as things get translated more and more it looses it's original meaning, atleast a little bit each time it's translated. I didn't personally add the lord in that verse, I would never do such a thing. I dare you to look that verse up in a King James version. Not new king james or anything like that either, cause again it's been translated even further.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 07/19/11 11:36 AM
Gee, that's funny. I never said I was a Christian, did I? ok then called Jesus a Troll.... Let's try it this time from the Urban Dictionary: Troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument. By the way, it's not name calling, it's a label, just like "Republican" or "student". And you fit the description perfectly. You're not here for enlightenment; your mind couldn't be more closed if it was superglued. It doesn't matter what the subject is, a troll is a troll. "alterette" ...I could also look up the term "JERK" and apply it to you.....so what do you say you stop acting like a jerk and get back on topic ......

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 07/19/11 11:38 AM
And we know these are two separate "gods". For in Chapter one it only says God, doesn't have LORD God. So we can see it's speaking of two separate beings or there would have been used the same title. Cowboy.......heres a fact you probably never notice....if you read Genesis you will notice that during creation the creator is always referred to as being God never as Lord.....only after the creation of Man was the term lord used Oh but you are wrong my friend. Specifically in this verse it says Lord. Genesis 2:7 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Don't know what version you use to look verses up, but I would suggest using an older version. Preferably King James. King James version is the closest to the original language as it gets after being translated into English. The American Standard, new American Standard, ect have been translated even further then that, and we all know as things get translated more and more it looses it's original meaning, atleast a little bit each time it's translated. I didn't personally add the lord in that verse, I would never do such a thing. I dare you to look that verse up in a King James version. Not new king james or anything like that either, cause again it's been translated even further. that's my point...during the creation on Man is when the term Lord was introduced....