But if God is all powerful he could stop the train.

How about, your friend telling you that you must love him or else he will push you in front of the train?

Or, how about you are caught in the train track and he insists that you love him and worship him or else he will just leave you to your fate?

Further, what if your friend was the one instructing the train to barrel down at you in the first place, and if you didn't listen to him, he'd let you be run over.

No matter how you slice it, the whole thing does not work.

And even in reality, IF that is not how it is, Religion makes it LOOK like that is how it is.

Religion spreads the fear of death, eternal damnation etc.

I just don't believe those horror stories as presented by some religions.

I don't think that is how the great photon God of light designed the world.

Let me explain about the healthy fear of God,when you have a daddy on earth from being a certain age, lets say from 4 years old thats quite a naughty age for some children they get up to all sorts of things thats why they say you need eyes in the back of your head,when they do something that you know isnt good for them because you love your children you wouldnt just leave it would you,you chastise them from an early age and they understand you are not happy with what they have done,and because they get chastised they start to change because they know its not good to do,its all a part of growing up,mums would normaly say wait till your dad gets home then the fear comes because they know there in trouble its not about dad having a stick its about him being there DAD,this is a healthy fear because it causes the rebeliousness in that child not to do it again and to know its wrong and not good for them.

Hope that explains the healthy fear of God in a bit more detail,its the simple way but its a good way ,God is love but he will chastise his children just like we do our children,and we know when to turn away from whats not pleasing to our daddy if you like,but the same as children its a journey with God and things dont change over night

Glad to hear you are reading your bible too Jeanniebean because i always say its always worth searching and not discarding till you find the truth.

When i was 18 my mum died and i went to a spiritulist church to be honest i thought it was Gods house i was so nieve,any way they told me things they could never have known so it was true,but from that i saw a ghost in my bedroom right at the side of my bed i had bedding pulled off me and other things so i stopped going,things got back to normal,i became a christian from someone saying to me ask Jesus into your life,funny enough i knew this was right but i went along to a pentecostal church to listen to the gospel myself of why Jesus died on the cross,as they preached i was a sinner and needed to repent i knew in my heart this was right,from repenting Jesus stated to do things in my life,if he hadnt proved who he was to me as a one parent i would have been doing as i was doing,i would not praise and worship or talk about a God who i wouldnt be sure of why would i!!!!!!! hope you can read this a bit better than last time sorry about that Jeanniebean.

I couldn't get past 4 being quite a naughty age
and chastising children from an early age....

don't need to read anymore

That's all well and good, but.......last I checked any GOOD parent is not gonna punish FOREVER. They may spank, hit with the belt, take something away, etc. But it's TEMPORARY, it's not ETERNAL. The God of the Bible cannot make that claim.

And YOU have that right as every person does to believe or not to believe.
I only know one thing for sure,,,WE were not just creatures who started forming from an insect or an animal,,or a mammal..
We didn't just come-to-be?

So in THAT we were designed,,manufactured and placed here..

IF God did not do THAT,,then we're what? All Aliens then..?

And as for the lessons of the Bible,,there are NO GREATER RULES of LIVING to follow,,than the Lord's ten Commandments..as a sociaty to live together in or by...and for THAT I have rased my children to know,,,I di NOT make them foller life to feel THEY had to be a Christian,,,THAT was and is their desires,,nor do I nor would I put them down for whatever THEY believed in as long as it was a way which expressed LOVE for their fellow man..and didn't involve them TAKING their own life to prove they were good followers,:)

So with all of that,,I believe in one God and His ways to try and live being...and for him I would die if he asked that of me,,the same as if ask if I would for one of my children,,

IF we re to ever see a heathy life here in this world to live and be at a peace,,it will come from LOVE for every man and woman wih no hate and dis-likes between US,,,and to THAT,,just turn to Jesus in your thoughts of an intidy that promotes THAT,,in its basic content,,,,

But I feel and grow through knowing I am WITH GOD...and I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE THAT TO ANYONE,,NOR WOULD I PUT DOWN SOMEONES PAGEN AS THEIR WRONG,,,,I mean,,,why?,,,IF THEY ASK,,COOL,,i'll talk about it,,,But somany now wanting to strip away the essence of God and His words for what?,,,WE have lived and followed God's words here from the America's first start,,,,why NOW,,in this age and life do so many who feel they ARE SO MUCH BETTER AND WISER than the millions who have died presearving what THEY SO BELIEVED TO KEEP AS OUR HEART OF THIS NATION TO HAVE?

I hope everyone has a Blessed day and be happy,,as we never know our time here,,,

Firstly they are assumed to be God's words, and cannot be proven as such no matter what you say.

Second, why? Simple. IT DOESN'T WORK. If it did, why would everyone be divided over what the truth is then? The Bible says you shall know something by its' fruits. Well the fruits seem obviously bad on this basis alone. That's why we reject it.

For those who compare God to a father figure that you must fear, I will say this.

Put away childish things. We are grownups now, and I mean that we are grownups spiritually when we learn the nature of love and respect for each other.

You parents don't follow you around for your entire life and chastise you for everything you do that they don't happen to approve of according to them. If they did, they are considered butting into your life and your private free choices.

We are put on this earth to LIVE AND BE FREE. We don't need to be punished and chastised for all our bad choices. The universal law of consequences (law of attraction) takes care of that. This is an automatic law that does not discriminate or play favorites. We are what we think, we create our own experiences by what we think and do.

We learn by our mistakes, not by threats from a father God.

That's simply common sense.

Well said, how can we learn anything if what we are allowed to experience be it good or bad is in effect limited? We can't.

So Jeaniebean, you mean to tell me no one has ever said anything to you or advised you that something you might want to do, or think you might want to try,that they have not said its not a good idea,or i wouldn if i was you and they have changed your mind to think again,someone who loves you maybe or even a friend,even as a adult,because if you say no then it must no one loves or has ever cared about you,we all have peaple in our life mainly family members who would watch out for us,i know i still do with my children,i will always watch over them because they are mine and no one would hurt them where i am as a mother,i would die for my kids because of the deep love i have for them as they are a part of me,if i am not pleased with them they will know that too and thats because i do not want to see them hurt or go wrong in life,although i will admit they dont always listen and i can see before hand when things wont work out,but also encourage them when i know something is good for them,my kids are grown up and they have children and they do the same because of the word LOVE.

As someone commented on what i wrote in my last letter children know when they are doing wrong from roughly 4 years old and i wouldnt have my children at that age burning themselfs on a fire,oven,bully,biting other children or taking things thats not theres,or running near a road, thats why you put reigns on them,yes its better to let them know its not pleasing to you if they do these sort of things,this is called LOVE by chastising because you want your children to grow up nive peaple,its not butting in its being a parent and you are a parent for life.


God loves us and wants the best he is a God of love,and wants us to love others instead of hating we need to forgive instead of bitterness he wants us to love,God says love your enemy because he loves them and not only that hatred,bitterness,unforgiveness will do damage to us,thats LOVE,thats my GOD,thats why he died for me as i would die for my children,thats why he will let us know he isnt pleased we will feel convicted when we do peaple wrong because its not right to do,God says to love your nabour as your self,not to pull down because you think you are better than that person,even tramps on the street have a heart and need love,yes they might want that kind of life thats up to them and yes there are places they could go to stay,live,but they choose that kind of life but it dosent make them bad peaple, or makes someone who has a big house,nice clothes and lots of money better than them.LOVE makes the world go around and it starts with your nabour.the ten commandment non of us could ever keep them but God gave them as a guide for us to follow because he loves us,just the same as we do for our children,God Bless

We are put on this earth to LIVE AND BE FREE. We don't need to be punished and chastised for all our bad choices. The universal law of consequences (law of attraction) takes care of that. This is an automatic law that does not discriminate or play favorites. We are what we think, we create our own experiences by what we think and do

You are correct in this, thats why our Lord leads us and guides us into the truth so that we dont take these paths that will harm us.

But its up to us if we want to listen to him just like our kids as he gave us a free will he didnt make us like robots.....

The point is, people do grow up. Or they are supposed to grow up to a point where they can make the right decisions and better choices. We learn mostly by experience.

I have been in a position where people actually have come to me and paid for my advice and guess, what? People rarely take other people's advice...even when they pay for it. They learn from experience and from their mistakes.

People rarely even listen to advice.

I wouldn't have my children burning themselves, bully, biting other children or taking things thats not theirs either. My role as parent was, is to teach them and to protect them through the years they cannot defend themselves.... not chastise their every move. Good parenting can be done without 'pulling the reigns' on them. Children deserve the freedom to be who they are as much as adults.
Why is it necessary to oppress to love? Why must love be done with fear and then justified....Not understanding that..
I have 3 adult sons, all nice people and yes, I am their mother for life...

I would say from experience its better to pray than to pay as you just said they just throw there money down the drain really,where its free from God no charge at all,you see he knows your thougts ,hearts,ways and everything about you,know human person would ever know them things about you,but he does because he created you,this is the onlt place in life you can find peace when you have problems.

And to the lady who has never chastised her children then well done that they have grown up nice children!!!!!!.

Maybe you could teach all the other millions and trillions of other parents whos children have gone the wrong way in life,prison,drugs,hitting there parents,stealing from them,robbing old ladies and killing them ect.ps all children have different personalities,you can get your little angels and you can get your little monsters so to speak.foolishness is bound up in the hearts of children and we as parents need to make sure they grow up right to the best of our ability if that takes chastisment then that needs to be done,Schools used to use the cane,but now there is nothing and the teachers are having nervous breakdowns and many dont want to even teach anymore.so maybe you could teach in the schools there are plenty of jobs,how would you handle these kids i would be interested to know.

Kenneth Copeland and Benny Hin. Seriously.
Learn about who you are following, don't go blindly.
For your reading pleasure. ie(one example of many)

AMERICA was swept into a new beginning by Kenneth Copeland a few years ago! Did you know that? He spoke in Honolulu, Hawaii, on August 18, 1996 at a Word of life Church service. Copeland and the Word of Life Church of Honolulu claimed to bind Satan and set America free on a wonderful new course.

CONFUSION ABOUT SCRIPTURE! = Copeland quoted, "Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall AGREE on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, IT SHALL BE DONE for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where TWO OR THREE are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Matt. 18:19-20.

True to the speakers style, he misrepresented Gods promises! Copeland swept Scripture from its original meaning and extended it for his own fantastic claims. Now two years later, either God failed or the preacher's great swelling words embellished God's Word! You decide.

DECEPTION ABOUT THE FUTURE! =Then he announced, "We are going to agree together tonight that God's will will be carried out. And that whosoever is elected as president of the United States and whomsoever is elected in the congress of the United States, WILL HEAR AND OBEY THE VOICE OF GOD ALMIGHTY FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS IN THIS NATION." (remember his theology is there is no such thing as praying God will, what we say in faith we will possess)

The Word-Faith crowd reeled in elation! Mayhem broke out! What they speak will come to pass. Really! Time will reveal a false prophecy. Has the White House truly listened and responded to the will of God? Like excited children, the charismatic crowd believed this false teaching, cheering in agreement and clapping in expectancy. Sincere but gullible believers, were put under the impression that American leaders would be righteous today!

Copeland then prayed, "And for the next four years, we fully PLAN TO BE LED OF THE HOLY GHOST IN THIS NATION! And we ask You to see to it that whomever is PRESIDENT, VICE-PRESIDENT, whomever's in the congress, will hear the voice of the living God and carry it out! And if there is ANYONE IN OFFICE that refuses to do that, we're asking You Lord as a congregation of people, and WE AGREE THAT YOU WILL DO IT, that You'll GET 'EM OUT OF OFFICE and put somebody in there that will! In the name of Jesus. Hallelujah! Hallelujah!"

You can say praise the Lord all day, but lets look at the election results, where are we today?
Is this Biblical Christianity or just more foolish hype, name it and frame it, blab and grab words? Is he a prophet who praises the Lord while misrepresenting His name! The Lord had nothing to do with this one. Or maybe they didn't have enough faith to see it through.

Is there an unusual righteousness in America's leadership now? America is currently rocked by severe immorality, abortion, and deceit in Washington, D.C.! So is our country, where's the revival that Copeland and others have promised. the only people that seem to get affected are the Christians. While the blind lead the blind outside the church there is little difference inside either!

Feel the power. The Word-Faith crowd agreed that they bound Satan! Copeland said, "WE BIND YOU SATAN in the name of Jesus. This nation doesn't belong to you, it never has and never will. In the name of Jesus, YOU COME DOWN from your place of authority and you crawl in the dust like God told you to in the Garden of Eden. In Jesus name! NOW AGREE with that and say Amen! Hallelujah. Glory to God. Glory to God." Imagine a charismatic congregation reducing the devil to a helpless prisoner! If Satan is bound day after day whose the joker that keeps letting him loose?

It's easy to agree and let the gravity of a false prophecy bring you down! We are not instructed to talk to the devil or brag about binding Satan! We are dependent upon the Lord to rebuke him! Jude 9.Where's this authority they boast about? It didn't work !
This is not surprising since he has said many things before that are a clear contradiction to the bible and Jesus.

Copeland prophesied, As Jesus is speaking through him at three day victory camp in Dallas Tx.

"Don't be disturbed when people accuse you of thinking you're God. Don't be disturbed when people accuse you of a fanatical way of life. Don't be disturbed when people put you down and speak harshly and roughly of you. They spoke that way of me, should they not speak that way of you?

The more you get to be like me, the more they're going to think that way of you. They crucified me for claiming I was God. But I didn't claim I was God; I just claimed I walked with him and he was in me."Hallelujah. that's what your doing. (printed in Voice of Victory vol.15.no.2 1987)

Here is a conversation with Paul Crouch on TBN, after the fall out on this very subject of Copeland's prophecy. {Crouch}"Were still questioning what was said about that prophecy, {Copeland}" that prophecy never mentions the son of God, it never said anything about the son of God "Crouch what did it say ?" it said I did not claim to be God!" that’s all it said." {Crouch }"In other words in so many words your right nowhere in the NT did he literally get up and, (Copeland interjects "preach and say I am God ") say I AM God did he. Now I stand corrected."

Go to Walter Martins warning on Copeland's false prophecy

( Now it doesn't matter what Copeland thinks he said, but what did Jesus think he said. Remember this was Jesus speaking through Copeland and he denies What the bible teaches and the core teaching of Christianity)

WHICH JESUS

IS ANYONE PAYING ATTENTION! WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR SOMEONE WHO FOLLOWS HIS TEACHINGS TO FINALLY ADMIT HE'S WRONG ?


I won't even start on Benny Hin. Look it up. Research.

HeadnHeart, THEY ARE ALL WRONG.

That's a good question.

The Jesus I know wouldn't have anything to do with "Christianity" and its evil ways.

Jesus renounced the evil ways of the God of Abraham and the teachings of the Old Testament. He taught that all are children of God. In fact, when he referred to himself as the "Son of God", and was accused of blaspheme he quickly pointed out that in the Bible is states that all are children of God.

Jesus was clearly a pantheistic Jew, which was actually quite common in those days. Jesus was probably also aware of the teachings of Mahayana Buddhism. Because most of what he taught obviously came from those teachings and NOT from the Torah.

So when you ask "WHICH JESUS?", I would suggest that we all follow the Mahayana Buddhist Jesus and renounce all other religious rumors as being false.

Jesus taught the core values and karmic reality that had already been taught hundreds of years before Jesus was ever born. Jesus was simply trying to bring the Hebrew Culture up to speed on moral values and human decency.

Jesus was not born of a virgin.
Jesus was not the sacrificial lamb of the fictitious God of Abraham.
Jesus rebuked the moral teachings of the Old Testament.
Jesus is no ones "Lord", nor did he have and desire to be "Lord".
Jesus did not raise from the dead along with a multitude of saints.
Jesus did not support condemnation in the name of any God.
Jesus would not support "Christianity" today.
Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites and he would do the same thing today for the "Christians".

Jesus will never be "saved" until the Christians stop using him as a scapegoat for spreading their religious bigotry in his name.

Do you part to "save" Jesus. Renounce Christianity today.

Funny, this. For all the Bible-thumpers ... how many of you have read ALL the gospels/books? Nevermind the Old and New Testaments, King James' and all that ...

What about the books that Emperor Constantine's little troupe voted as "apocryphal" and disregarded? What about the vote on the decision whether Jesus should be represented as a divine figure (the son of God) or a mortal (who had married Mary Magdalen)? What about the Gospel of Mary Magdalen, herself? Or how about the Gospel of Judas?

Does it not make you feel weird knowing that what you believe today and tout as God's True Word first took form through the hands of someone who was not a believer? And later, King James tossed out some stuff he didn't quite care for either ...

Aaaaaaaaaanyway, back to the topic.

As far as the most recent date for the end of the world is concerned ... it raises attendance at church and therefore, revenue (donations) collected by the churches--especially that owned by the claimant. Anyone who claims to know anything about the future is either crazy, is looking to collect something (usually money) or (as in the case of the Bible) can make generalized predictions based upon knowledge of human behavior ... knowledge easily attained by watching just two people on ... oh, say, any given hour on CNN. War! Famine! Death! Recession! Depression! Earthquake! Pitbull! :D

Its been a while since I've read up on and watched documentaries featuring the Mayan calendar and all that, so I'm a bit rusty, but there's always something that occurs to me when the discussion comes up and the question is this:

"How long do you really expect to write a calendar for?"

Think about it. The Mayan calendar ends on December 21, 2012. We are in the dawn of the Age of Aquarius (coming from the Age of Pisces where we were over the past 2100-ish years). Read up on astrological ages. It has nothing to do with life on Earth at all, merely the position of stars that can be viewed from the surface of the planet. So if you look at it logically ...

The Mayans, forging a calendar with mathematical precision from whatever date they began and on into the years to come eventually reach the end of an age, yawn, stretch, lean back and think, "you know ... this is really all we need for now. We'll never see most of this ourselves, so why not let our descendants tackle the next age" ... only to be practically wiped out by the Spaniards soon after.

Can't that be all it was? No mysticism, no foreknowledge of some fiery cataclysm, no deity proclaiming the end of all life, or at least all life as we know it ... just a timely pause in calculation since going any further with the task was clearly irrelevant at the time. They left it to their progeny to pick up later, whenever it would be applicable.

Why is there a need to attach some sort of doom to a future date? Is there a need? Really? OMG! My calendar ends on December 31st! There must be some kind of cataclysm coming! What am I going to d--oh wait, here's next year's calendar. Whew!

Cheers.