its about tone, and volume, and speech,, for me

its similar to a private conversation between me and a friend, if others choose to EAVESDROP That is one thing, If I am speaking at a tone that OTHERS can hear, that is another

similarly with prayer, speaking it silently does not require anyone to be an 'audience', as people can choose to watch what they and whom they wish to wash

but I agree, an issue with silent praying seems ignorant to me

and ignorance is a reality thats out there along with staunch activists who wish NO FORM OF PRAYER to be permitted in schools...

morals come from inside, just about any behavior the human mind can think of, most human minds can look through an old collection of books and find something that seems to support it, or not support it

but it wont change their individual and INNATE tendency to commit that behavior,, one way or the other

The issue there is, you're still making them a part of the whole exercise, whether they pray or not. They have no option to opt out of the thing entirely.

Not true. If someone kills another in the middle of a group of people. Are all those people going to be charged with murder? Cause obviously they were made part of the whole exercise, whether they killed or not. Same difference as to what you're saying here.

Oh give me a break Cowboy! How is that anywhere close to this? If you're in a situation like that, it's just because it happened, you didn't know it was gonna happen ahead of time. This is entirely different, that you'd compare that to this.......is just plain stupid.

No, it's about being somewhere something happened but not being associated with it.

But that is an extreme case, and it can't really be avoided. This however could, it doesn't have to be pushed on all of the students, and in fact shouldn't be.

But it wouldn't be, if they didn't wish to partake. They don't have to. Simple as that.

This quote best describes this discussion.
"One of us is not like the other; one of us, isn't the same"
Those little buggers may not have to partake but the quote above is a pretty good description. I'll let yall add in the context.

If say there was 10 people in a room. 7 of them decided to pray but 3 of them did not. Afterwards, those three wouldn't be segregated, they wouldn't be looked down upon, they wouldn't be alienated. So don't know what your comment has anything to do with anything my friend.

Context...

Musical number on Sesame Street's set...

Okay if they are free "not to partake" and they were told by their teachers and the principle they had to attend the assembly, then what do you think would happen if a student, who did not want to partake, just got up and left the building or the room?

He would stand out, and he might get in trouble for not having a hall pass, or he might be told he could not leave.

Partaking is also having to sit there and listen to the garbage.

When I work over at my mom's house I have to listen to Little house on the Prairie constantly. It is very annoying. I hate it. I want to run screaming from the room. But because I am there working, and she is watching it, I have little choice. She gets mad if I ask her to change the channel.

I would rather the t.v. be off. I don't like hearing that garbage. So I get my work done as fast as I can and get the hell out of there.

Having to sit in a public hall and listen to people praise Lucifer the light bearer, our liberator is not something I would want to do.

Having to sit in a public hall assembly and listen to people worship and praise Jesus Christ, "our" Lord and savior is not something I want to do.

Having to sit in a public hall and kneel down to Allah and pray five times a day is not something I would want to do.

Government sponsored religion should not be allowed in Schools.

KEEP IT IN YOUR CHURCH!!! OR KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.

You really sure about that? Kids can be dam mean when they are in their own little posse. Life beyond the intermanet can be extremely complex and unfair most of the time. Also.. If you want.. you can always bring a religious fanatic teacher who is 1 step away from blowing up a Muslim Temple into this picture.. Wonder what will happen.. hmmmm.. No way their professionalism will let them use favoritism and what not.

They are referring to no form of PUBLIC PRAYER.

Most atheists don't give a tinkers damn if someone wants to go off in the corner and pray in school, and if they have a problem with that then they are just plain ignorant.

I have never really met an ignorant atheist. They usually know more about the law and the issue and the Bible than most people.

If you actually know any actual cases where someone objected to a person bowing their head in the appearance of a personal prayer and was given any flack for it I would sure like to know about it.

I would if I could give that person a piece of my mind. And call them ignorant to their face.

Have been saying close to the same thing for years.

Sadly, the use of "for the good of all" is usually a control scheme.

There is no valid reason for anyone so-called "Christian" to support prayer in public. The New Testament has Jesus himself renouncing public prayer and telling people not to do that. He referred to the Pharisees as being 'hypocrites' for praying in public.

So the whole 'prayer in public schools' issue clearly comes from so-called "Christians" who don't particularly care for the teachings of Jesus.

That whole issue just shows how hypocritical and self-ignorant the religion can become.

Why would anyone want to pray in public for anyway. I personally prefer to keep my spiritual communications with the cosmic mind private. I actually agree with Jesus on this issue. Praying in public is egotistical and hypocritical. There's absolutely no reason for it, and more to the point, if someone truly has awe and reference for a supreme creator they wouldn't even want to belittle that by making it a 'public issue'.

I think it's crystal clear that some people just like to use religion as an excuse to try to push their agendas onto other people. Something I'm sure that Jesus himself would never approve of, based on the stories about him. He never pushed his views onto anyone save for perhaps the money changers in the temple, but that was an understandable exception. Except he really didn't need to become physically violent over that, that was a bit immature on his part. But hey, he was just a human like the rest of us, can't expect him to be perfect. That would be unrealistic.

Yeap.. also a perfect description of The Patriot Act as the US people were lead to believe.. President George W. Bush was the Bestest # 20 presidunt of em Aww. The people that voted for him is also the BESTEST!

And don't forget, if you dare question what the government says is happening, you're a terrorist and anti-American. Can't exactly stop a controlling system if you can't fight it.

Agreed here also.

It is not funny how the fight for freedom wages on in other countries who don't threaten our freedom at all, the whole while the government is slowly stripping them at home while the soldiers are distracted.

More Useless Knowledge...

I only found out after I enlisted that once you are in the military, all your rights to protest are stripped away. If you do so in public, your gluteus maximus will be sent to a quite time out.
Might have been my fault but do you know how freaking big those enlistment packets are?? I use to work in the Operations sector of Military Enlistments and we freaking kill trees faster than Jesus can turn water into wine.