Topic: Religion as a form of Social control
CowboyGH's photo
Wed 06/01/11 11:59 AM

The "majority rule' allowed slavery but that doesn't make it moral or right.

Msharmony, how would you feel if Lucifer/Satan was the God this country worshiped openly? What if the majority rule passed a law that public prayer to Lucifer was allowed?

"In the name of the all mighty Lucifer the Light bearer, our liberator, we pray..."

How would you like to have to constantly be subjected to that? How would you feel about separation of Church and state THEN????




What makes something morally right? Majority? Your opinion? What is the root of morals?

The question wasn't direct directly at me, but what would be necessarily wrong if the majority chose to worship Satan? That would be their choice. If they chose to allow public prayer to Satan, who cares? Does it directly effect you? Does it bring harm to you? If not, who cares? If it does, please explain how it does this.

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Wed 06/01/11 12:04 PM


The "majority rule' allowed slavery but that doesn't make it moral or right.

Msharmony, how would you feel if Lucifer/Satan was the God this country worshiped openly? What if the majority rule passed a law that public prayer to Lucifer was allowed?

"In the name of the all mighty Lucifer the Light bearer, our liberator, we pray..."

How would you like to have to constantly be subjected to that? How would you feel about separation of Church and state THEN????




What makes something morally right? Majority? Your opinion? What is the root of morals?

The question wasn't direct directly at me, but what would be necessarily wrong if the majority chose to worship Satan? That would be their choice. If they chose to allow public prayer to Satan, who cares? Does it directly effect you? Does it bring harm to you? If not, who cares? If it does, please explain how it does this.


It forces religion down people's throats and expects them to politely comply or be outcast or banished from society. If you were a non-Christian you would know this.


msharmony's photo
Wed 06/01/11 12:07 PM
it would affect me to have my children see this as the 'norm', which can also be translated in a young mind as the expectation for behavior,,,

but that would mean I would have to be more diligent in teaching my children what is 'proper' in MY understanding and trying to teach them that everyone is different in their own unique way and how it looks isnt how it always is

for instance, I grew up in a time when teens were expected, or at least it was the norm, for them to have 'their own life',, their parents were truly very absent from their choices and actions which seemed to my young mind a pretty cool arrangement

yet, my parents never parented me in that way, even in my teens, they reinforced that however 'normal' or 'regular' it was in others homes and lives to allow their children to do whatever they please, it was not ACCEPTED in ours because they cared about us too much to leave all those decisions up to us and because it was their job to provide GUIDANCE and not just be an audience in our life


,,there are many things affecting our children now adays, many things are becoming more and more 'normal' and 'accepted', but I continue to try to teach my children right from wrong as Im sure you would cowboy

so, it wouldnt cause me JOY to see people begin to publicly praise Lucifer more and more often, just like it doesnt cause me JOY to hear people out in public using all types of language, it would cause me concern about the impact it might have on my childrens world view but I wouldnt begin to take away their right to praise Lucifer or express themself through speech because I wouldnt want my right to praise whom I choose taken from me


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Wed 06/01/11 12:08 PM


The "majority rule' allowed slavery but that doesn't make it moral or right.

Msharmony, how would you feel if Lucifer/Satan was the God this country worshiped openly? What if the majority rule passed a law that public prayer to Lucifer was allowed?

"In the name of the all mighty Lucifer the Light bearer, our liberator, we pray..."

How would you like to have to constantly be subjected to that? How would you feel about separation of Church and state THEN????





the majority rule also eliminated slavery, which is to say it has little to do with 'right' or 'wrong' which are subjective standards at best,,,but more to do with the standards of 'right' or 'wrong' that each community agrees upon for THEIR environment

I would feel no differently than I do now about freedom of speech, if people prayed to Lucifer openly, Id feel its their perogative truly

a prayer is one of the LEAST offensive things to me, regardless of who it is to

I am offended by disrespectful vulgarity, and I am finding more and more that people are indeed using their FREE speech to be more and more disrespectfully vulgar, its a compromise I have to deal with for my FREEDOM to likewise speak as I choose




I don't believe you. You would let your children attend a school that regularly prays to Lucifer? You would keep silent and let the society dictate to your children what they must listen to and who they are expected to pray to?

I'm sorry, I don't believe that. If you would do that, then I would consider you a weak person who does not stand up for her God.

I know most serious Christians would object. The fake Christians would probably convert to Lucifer.


CowboyGH's photo
Wed 06/01/11 12:08 PM



The "majority rule' allowed slavery but that doesn't make it moral or right.

Msharmony, how would you feel if Lucifer/Satan was the God this country worshiped openly? What if the majority rule passed a law that public prayer to Lucifer was allowed?

"In the name of the all mighty Lucifer the Light bearer, our liberator, we pray..."

How would you like to have to constantly be subjected to that? How would you feel about separation of Church and state THEN????




What makes something morally right? Majority? Your opinion? What is the root of morals?

The question wasn't direct directly at me, but what would be necessarily wrong if the majority chose to worship Satan? That would be their choice. If they chose to allow public prayer to Satan, who cares? Does it directly effect you? Does it bring harm to you? If not, who cares? If it does, please explain how it does this.


It forces religion down people's throats and expects them to politely comply or be outcast or banished from society. If you were a non-Christian you would know this.




No one expects you to do anything. We have our beliefs, you have yours. We are all different in all the different ways and attributes of life. Just because spaghetti my be my favorite food and I tell you, is that me trying to convince you spaghetti is the best food? No just expressing and sharing the belief one holds that spaghetti is the best food out there.

CowboyGH's photo
Wed 06/01/11 12:11 PM



The "majority rule' allowed slavery but that doesn't make it moral or right.

Msharmony, how would you feel if Lucifer/Satan was the God this country worshiped openly? What if the majority rule passed a law that public prayer to Lucifer was allowed?

"In the name of the all mighty Lucifer the Light bearer, our liberator, we pray..."

How would you like to have to constantly be subjected to that? How would you feel about separation of Church and state THEN????





the majority rule also eliminated slavery, which is to say it has little to do with 'right' or 'wrong' which are subjective standards at best,,,but more to do with the standards of 'right' or 'wrong' that each community agrees upon for THEIR environment

I would feel no differently than I do now about freedom of speech, if people prayed to Lucifer openly, Id feel its their perogative truly

a prayer is one of the LEAST offensive things to me, regardless of who it is to

I am offended by disrespectful vulgarity, and I am finding more and more that people are indeed using their FREE speech to be more and more disrespectfully vulgar, its a compromise I have to deal with for my FREEDOM to likewise speak as I choose




I don't believe you. You would let your children attend a school that regularly prays to Lucifer? You would keep silent and let the society dictate to your children what they must listen to and who they are expected to pray to?

I'm sorry, I don't believe that. If you would do that, then I would consider you a weak person who does not stand up for her God.

I know most serious Christians would object. The fake Christians would probably convert to Lucifer.





I don't believe you. You would let your children attend a school that regularly prays to Lucifer?


Why not? Just because the school prays to Lucifer, doesn't mean the child has to. During prayer, the child could just sit there and wait for them to finish. No harm brought to anyone, no harm done.

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Wed 06/01/11 12:11 PM

it would affect me to have my children see this as the 'norm', which can also be translated in a young mind as the expectation for behavior,,,

but that would mean I would have to be more diligent in teaching my children what is 'proper' in MY understanding and trying to teach them that everyone is different in their own unique way and how it looks isnt how it always is

for instance, I grew up in a time when teens were expected, or at least it was the norm, for them to have 'their own life',, their parents were truly very absent from their choices and actions which seemed to my young mind a pretty cool arrangement

yet, my parents never parented me in that way, even in my teens, they reinforced that however 'normal' or 'regular' it was in others homes and lives to allow their children to do whatever they please, it was not ACCEPTED in ours because they cared about us too much to leave all those decisions up to us and because it was their job to provide GUIDANCE and not just be an audience in our life


,,there are many things affecting our children now adays, many things are becoming more and more 'normal' and 'accepted', but I continue to try to teach my children right from wrong as Im sure you would cowboy

so, it wouldnt cause me JOY to see people begin to publicly praise Lucifer more and more often, just like it doesnt cause me JOY to hear people out in public using all types of language, it would cause me concern about the impact it might have on my childrens world view but I wouldnt begin to take away their right to praise Lucifer or express themself through speech because I wouldnt want my right to praise whom I choose taken from me




I don't think you get the difference between Public sponsored prayer to a specific God and freedom of religion.

Yes anyone can pray to anyone they want.

But when it becomes a public ritual done at schools, political events, etc. then it is government sponsored.

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Wed 06/01/11 12:13 PM




The "majority rule' allowed slavery but that doesn't make it moral or right.

Msharmony, how would you feel if Lucifer/Satan was the God this country worshiped openly? What if the majority rule passed a law that public prayer to Lucifer was allowed?

"In the name of the all mighty Lucifer the Light bearer, our liberator, we pray..."

How would you like to have to constantly be subjected to that? How would you feel about separation of Church and state THEN????





the majority rule also eliminated slavery, which is to say it has little to do with 'right' or 'wrong' which are subjective standards at best,,,but more to do with the standards of 'right' or 'wrong' that each community agrees upon for THEIR environment

I would feel no differently than I do now about freedom of speech, if people prayed to Lucifer openly, Id feel its their perogative truly

a prayer is one of the LEAST offensive things to me, regardless of who it is to

I am offended by disrespectful vulgarity, and I am finding more and more that people are indeed using their FREE speech to be more and more disrespectfully vulgar, its a compromise I have to deal with for my FREEDOM to likewise speak as I choose




I don't believe you. You would let your children attend a school that regularly prays to Lucifer? You would keep silent and let the society dictate to your children what they must listen to and who they are expected to pray to?

I'm sorry, I don't believe that. If you would do that, then I would consider you a weak person who does not stand up for her God.

I know most serious Christians would object. The fake Christians would probably convert to Lucifer.





I don't believe you. You would let your children attend a school that regularly prays to Lucifer?


Why not? Just because the school prays to Lucifer, doesn't mean the child has to. During prayer, the child could just sit there and wait for them to finish. No harm brought to anyone, no harm done.



Then you are not aware of things like about peer pressure, prejudice, discrimination, etc. that goes on toward people who are 'different.'


CowboyGH's photo
Wed 06/01/11 12:14 PM


it would affect me to have my children see this as the 'norm', which can also be translated in a young mind as the expectation for behavior,,,

but that would mean I would have to be more diligent in teaching my children what is 'proper' in MY understanding and trying to teach them that everyone is different in their own unique way and how it looks isnt how it always is

for instance, I grew up in a time when teens were expected, or at least it was the norm, for them to have 'their own life',, their parents were truly very absent from their choices and actions which seemed to my young mind a pretty cool arrangement

yet, my parents never parented me in that way, even in my teens, they reinforced that however 'normal' or 'regular' it was in others homes and lives to allow their children to do whatever they please, it was not ACCEPTED in ours because they cared about us too much to leave all those decisions up to us and because it was their job to provide GUIDANCE and not just be an audience in our life


,,there are many things affecting our children now adays, many things are becoming more and more 'normal' and 'accepted', but I continue to try to teach my children right from wrong as Im sure you would cowboy

so, it wouldnt cause me JOY to see people begin to publicly praise Lucifer more and more often, just like it doesnt cause me JOY to hear people out in public using all types of language, it would cause me concern about the impact it might have on my childrens world view but I wouldnt begin to take away their right to praise Lucifer or express themself through speech because I wouldnt want my right to praise whom I choose taken from me




I don't think you get the difference between Public sponsored prayer to a specific God and freedom of religion.

Yes anyone can pray to anyone they want.

But when it becomes a public ritual done at schools, political events, etc. then it is government sponsored.


Still the fact remains, if the someone doesn't agree with the praying. They do no have to partake. They could just go on their marry little way and ignore what is being done.

msharmony's photo
Wed 06/01/11 12:15 PM



The "majority rule' allowed slavery but that doesn't make it moral or right.

Msharmony, how would you feel if Lucifer/Satan was the God this country worshiped openly? What if the majority rule passed a law that public prayer to Lucifer was allowed?

"In the name of the all mighty Lucifer the Light bearer, our liberator, we pray..."

How would you like to have to constantly be subjected to that? How would you feel about separation of Church and state THEN????





the majority rule also eliminated slavery, which is to say it has little to do with 'right' or 'wrong' which are subjective standards at best,,,but more to do with the standards of 'right' or 'wrong' that each community agrees upon for THEIR environment

I would feel no differently than I do now about freedom of speech, if people prayed to Lucifer openly, Id feel its their perogative truly

a prayer is one of the LEAST offensive things to me, regardless of who it is to

I am offended by disrespectful vulgarity, and I am finding more and more that people are indeed using their FREE speech to be more and more disrespectfully vulgar, its a compromise I have to deal with for my FREEDOM to likewise speak as I choose




I don't believe you. You would let your children attend a school that regularly prays to Lucifer? You would keep silent and let the society dictate to your children what they must listen to and who they are expected to pray to?

I'm sorry, I don't believe that. If you would do that, then I would consider you a weak person who does not stand up for her God.

I know most serious Christians would object. The fake Christians would probably convert to Lucifer.




a school has never been a community of 'free speech', its a place to learn

no, I would not let my children attend a school that prays to Lucifer, if that were the 'norm', I would send my child to a 'christian' school,,,,king of like what I plan to do anyway

but I would want that CHOICE, just like I want the choice to teach at home or have my child taught in the mainstream

I have the choice, as should others to send their child through the mainstream(whatever the majority has decided that to be) or teach at home, or send someplace private that is more in line with their standards

so long as those CHOICES exist, and public school is not the ONLY option, I would let the community decide through civil activity and voting to make their PUBLIC institution what they wanted it to be,,,

because the best part of what this country is exists because we are encouraged to bring about change through civil activity and voting, and I wouldnt want it differently

CowboyGH's photo
Wed 06/01/11 12:15 PM





The "majority rule' allowed slavery but that doesn't make it moral or right.

Msharmony, how would you feel if Lucifer/Satan was the God this country worshiped openly? What if the majority rule passed a law that public prayer to Lucifer was allowed?

"In the name of the all mighty Lucifer the Light bearer, our liberator, we pray..."

How would you like to have to constantly be subjected to that? How would you feel about separation of Church and state THEN????





the majority rule also eliminated slavery, which is to say it has little to do with 'right' or 'wrong' which are subjective standards at best,,,but more to do with the standards of 'right' or 'wrong' that each community agrees upon for THEIR environment

I would feel no differently than I do now about freedom of speech, if people prayed to Lucifer openly, Id feel its their perogative truly

a prayer is one of the LEAST offensive things to me, regardless of who it is to

I am offended by disrespectful vulgarity, and I am finding more and more that people are indeed using their FREE speech to be more and more disrespectfully vulgar, its a compromise I have to deal with for my FREEDOM to likewise speak as I choose




I don't believe you. You would let your children attend a school that regularly prays to Lucifer? You would keep silent and let the society dictate to your children what they must listen to and who they are expected to pray to?

I'm sorry, I don't believe that. If you would do that, then I would consider you a weak person who does not stand up for her God.

I know most serious Christians would object. The fake Christians would probably convert to Lucifer.





I don't believe you. You would let your children attend a school that regularly prays to Lucifer?


Why not? Just because the school prays to Lucifer, doesn't mean the child has to. During prayer, the child could just sit there and wait for them to finish. No harm brought to anyone, no harm done.



Then you are not aware of things like about peer pressure, prejudice, discrimination, etc. that goes on toward people who are 'different.'




I don't? lol I'm persecuted as a Christian daily. So glad I could help enlighten you to your ignorance.

Dan99's photo
Wed 06/01/11 12:22 PM
Generally it is the thick and uneducated that believe in religion. But often well educated and intelligent people do so as well. There are probably a multitude of reasons for this, but fitting in to their social surroundings might be the main one. To believe in a religion your brain has to be taught to omit some very damning evidence against it. Some go even further and study this evidence enough to find some way of explaining why this damning evidence is not damning at all, and the thick and uneducated are suckered in with these arguments and learn even further not to question what their beliefs are. The intelligent 'believers' keep the momentum going and the less intelligent ones believing. This could be why religion is taking so long to die out. I think and hope it eventually does.

Science and physics can pretty much rule out most known organised religions, but it cannot rule out the possibility of a 'god' or creator. To me it is simple, if there is a god, he isnt asking us to behave or worship in any particular way.

CowboyGH's photo
Wed 06/01/11 12:29 PM

Generally it is the thick and uneducated that believe in religion. But often well educated and intelligent people do so as well. There are probably a multitude of reasons for this, but fitting in to their social surroundings might be the main one. To believe in a religion your brain has to be taught to omit some very damning evidence against it. Some go even further and study this evidence enough to find some way of explaining why this damning evidence is not damning at all, and the thick and uneducated are suckered in with these arguments and learn even further not to question what their beliefs are. The intelligent 'believers' keep the momentum going and the less intelligent ones believing. This could be why religion is taking so long to die out. I think and hope it eventually does.

Science and physics can pretty much rule out most known organised religions, but it cannot rule out the possibility of a 'god' or creator. To me it is simple, if there is a god, he isnt asking us to behave or worship in any particular way.



Science is nothing but a huge guess with some facts. Guesses would be the theories. Heck the creation of life on Earth is nothing more then a "theory" of evolution. A theory is nothing more then an educated guess. I mean, yes there are some facts. Not downing the entire science society and or knowledge. Just a lot of it on a theory.

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Wed 06/01/11 12:44 PM


Generally it is the thick and uneducated that believe in religion. But often well educated and intelligent people do so as well. There are probably a multitude of reasons for this, but fitting in to their social surroundings might be the main one. To believe in a religion your brain has to be taught to omit some very damning evidence against it. Some go even further and study this evidence enough to find some way of explaining why this damning evidence is not damning at all, and the thick and uneducated are suckered in with these arguments and learn even further not to question what their beliefs are. The intelligent 'believers' keep the momentum going and the less intelligent ones believing. This could be why religion is taking so long to die out. I think and hope it eventually does.

Science and physics can pretty much rule out most known organised religions, but it cannot rule out the possibility of a 'god' or creator. To me it is simple, if there is a god, he isnt asking us to behave or worship in any particular way.



Science is nothing but a huge guess with some facts. Guesses would be the theories. Heck the creation of life on Earth is nothing more then a "theory" of evolution. A theory is nothing more then an educated guess. I mean, yes there are some facts. Not downing the entire science society and or knowledge. Just a lot of it on a theory.


A lot of it is mere theory and guesswork i agree, but it does prove a lot of things beyond any reasonable doubt, such as the age of the universe.

Besides science, it only really takes common sense to see that the bible, for example, is not how 'god' wants us to live our lives. Yet you, an obviously very intelligent and well read man, will argue until you are blue in the face, that Christianity is the way forward.

I have no point, instead i am going to head butt the wall in disbelief at how you choose to live your life. Not that i really care.




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Wed 06/01/11 12:53 PM




The "majority rule' allowed slavery but that doesn't make it moral or right.

Msharmony, how would you feel if Lucifer/Satan was the God this country worshiped openly? What if the majority rule passed a law that public prayer to Lucifer was allowed?

"In the name of the all mighty Lucifer the Light bearer, our liberator, we pray..."

How would you like to have to constantly be subjected to that? How would you feel about separation of Church and state THEN????





the majority rule also eliminated slavery, which is to say it has little to do with 'right' or 'wrong' which are subjective standards at best,,,but more to do with the standards of 'right' or 'wrong' that each community agrees upon for THEIR environment

I would feel no differently than I do now about freedom of speech, if people prayed to Lucifer openly, Id feel its their perogative truly

a prayer is one of the LEAST offensive things to me, regardless of who it is to

I am offended by disrespectful vulgarity, and I am finding more and more that people are indeed using their FREE speech to be more and more disrespectfully vulgar, its a compromise I have to deal with for my FREEDOM to likewise speak as I choose




I don't believe you. You would let your children attend a school that regularly prays to Lucifer? You would keep silent and let the society dictate to your children what they must listen to and who they are expected to pray to?

I'm sorry, I don't believe that. If you would do that, then I would consider you a weak person who does not stand up for her God.

I know most serious Christians would object. The fake Christians would probably convert to Lucifer.




a school has never been a community of 'free speech', its a place to learn

no, I would not let my children attend a school that prays to Lucifer, if that were the 'norm', I would send my child to a 'christian' school,,,,king of like what I plan to do anyway

but I would want that CHOICE, just like I want the choice to teach at home or have my child taught in the mainstream

I have the choice, as should others to send their child through the mainstream(whatever the majority has decided that to be) or teach at home, or send someplace private that is more in line with their standards

so long as those CHOICES exist, and public school is not the ONLY option, I would let the community decide through civil activity and voting to make their PUBLIC institution what they wanted it to be,,,

because the best part of what this country is exists because we are encouraged to bring about change through civil activity and voting, and I wouldnt want it differently


That is why they don't allow public Prayer in school.

Now if all Christians could just get that into their heads and stop screaming that we have taken "GOD" out of schools !

CowboyGH's photo
Wed 06/01/11 12:54 PM



Generally it is the thick and uneducated that believe in religion. But often well educated and intelligent people do so as well. There are probably a multitude of reasons for this, but fitting in to their social surroundings might be the main one. To believe in a religion your brain has to be taught to omit some very damning evidence against it. Some go even further and study this evidence enough to find some way of explaining why this damning evidence is not damning at all, and the thick and uneducated are suckered in with these arguments and learn even further not to question what their beliefs are. The intelligent 'believers' keep the momentum going and the less intelligent ones believing. This could be why religion is taking so long to die out. I think and hope it eventually does.

Science and physics can pretty much rule out most known organised religions, but it cannot rule out the possibility of a 'god' or creator. To me it is simple, if there is a god, he isnt asking us to behave or worship in any particular way.



Science is nothing but a huge guess with some facts. Guesses would be the theories. Heck the creation of life on Earth is nothing more then a "theory" of evolution. A theory is nothing more then an educated guess. I mean, yes there are some facts. Not downing the entire science society and or knowledge. Just a lot of it on a theory.


A lot of it is mere theory and guesswork i agree, but it does prove a lot of things beyond any reasonable doubt, such as the age of the universe.

Besides science, it only really takes common sense to see that the bible, for example, is not how 'god' wants us to live our lives. Yet you, an obviously very intelligent and well read man, will argue until you are blue in the face, that Christianity is the way forward.

I have no point, instead i am going to head butt the wall in disbelief at how you choose to live your life. Not that i really care.






And specifically with the age of the universe, there is no contradiction in the bible with this. The bible does not state how long ago God created the universe. Or how long it's been there. The only thing we could even possibly know even close to the age of, is the Earth in the shape it is now. The bible doesn't speak of the time frame of the creation of the stars and all that. The creation of the world and it's life, wasn't the creation of everything.

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Wed 06/01/11 12:57 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 06/01/11 12:58 PM



I don't believe you. You would let your children attend a school that regularly prays to Lucifer?


Why not? Just because the school prays to Lucifer, doesn't mean the child has to. During prayer, the child could just sit there and wait for them to finish. No harm brought to anyone, no harm done.



Cowboy get real!!!

A CHILD is subject to adult authority. A young child will do as he is told by adult authority. If someone tells them to bow their heads and pray to Lucifer they will probably do it. Children are not activists. THEY ARE CHILDREN. Use your head. Children are vulnerable and impressionable. They submit to authority figures. Even adults have been PROVEN to submit to authority figures.

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Wed 06/01/11 12:58 PM


Generally it is the thick and uneducated that believe in religion. But often well educated and intelligent people do so as well. There are probably a multitude of reasons for this, but fitting in to their social surroundings might be the main one. To believe in a religion your brain has to be taught to omit some very damning evidence against it. Some go even further and study this evidence enough to find some way of explaining why this damning evidence is not damning at all, and the thick and uneducated are suckered in with these arguments and learn even further not to question what their beliefs are. The intelligent 'believers' keep the momentum going and the less intelligent ones believing. This could be why religion is taking so long to die out. I think and hope it eventually does.

Science and physics can pretty much rule out most known organised religions, but it cannot rule out the possibility of a 'god' or creator. To me it is simple, if there is a god, he isnt asking us to behave or worship in any particular way.



Science is nothing but a huge guess with some facts. Guesses would be the theories. Heck the creation of life on Earth is nothing more then a "theory" of evolution. A theory is nothing more then an educated guess. I mean, yes there are some facts. Not downing the entire science society and or knowledge. Just a lot of it on a theory.



I have to give it to ya, you have stamina

a giveaway was the lead in suggesting that thick and uneducated are who generally believe in a religion ,,,,lol

I try to live and learn ,and what Im learning in this thread, is just as there will always be some christians who insist those who dont BELIEVE as they do will go to Hell

there are some non believers(as in those who dont believe in christian doctrines on any level) who will continue to insist that only a lack of intelligence, or MAINLY a lack of intelligence anyhow, must be the condition of any or most believers,,,

neither side has any problem seeing how pompous the other position is, but each seems blinded to pull the mote out of their OWN eye(to use a biblical reference,,,lol)

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Wed 06/01/11 12:59 PM





The "majority rule' allowed slavery but that doesn't make it moral or right.

Msharmony, how would you feel if Lucifer/Satan was the God this country worshiped openly? What if the majority rule passed a law that public prayer to Lucifer was allowed?

"In the name of the all mighty Lucifer the Light bearer, our liberator, we pray..."

How would you like to have to constantly be subjected to that? How would you feel about separation of Church and state THEN????





the majority rule also eliminated slavery, which is to say it has little to do with 'right' or 'wrong' which are subjective standards at best,,,but more to do with the standards of 'right' or 'wrong' that each community agrees upon for THEIR environment

I would feel no differently than I do now about freedom of speech, if people prayed to Lucifer openly, Id feel its their perogative truly

a prayer is one of the LEAST offensive things to me, regardless of who it is to

I am offended by disrespectful vulgarity, and I am finding more and more that people are indeed using their FREE speech to be more and more disrespectfully vulgar, its a compromise I have to deal with for my FREEDOM to likewise speak as I choose




I don't believe you. You would let your children attend a school that regularly prays to Lucifer? You would keep silent and let the society dictate to your children what they must listen to and who they are expected to pray to?

I'm sorry, I don't believe that. If you would do that, then I would consider you a weak person who does not stand up for her God.

I know most serious Christians would object. The fake Christians would probably convert to Lucifer.




a school has never been a community of 'free speech', its a place to learn

no, I would not let my children attend a school that prays to Lucifer, if that were the 'norm', I would send my child to a 'christian' school,,,,king of like what I plan to do anyway

but I would want that CHOICE, just like I want the choice to teach at home or have my child taught in the mainstream

I have the choice, as should others to send their child through the mainstream(whatever the majority has decided that to be) or teach at home, or send someplace private that is more in line with their standards

so long as those CHOICES exist, and public school is not the ONLY option, I would let the community decide through civil activity and voting to make their PUBLIC institution what they wanted it to be,,,

because the best part of what this country is exists because we are encouraged to bring about change through civil activity and voting, and I wouldnt want it differently


That is why they don't allow public Prayer in school.

Now if all Christians could just get that into their heads and stop screaming that we have taken "GOD" out of schools !



but prayer was once in schools, so they did take PRAYER out

God cant be taken out of a person unless they allow or want him to be

but there are troubling trends in how much 'aknowledgement' different communities allow to be given to God,,,which I think is more of the concern than taking 'God' out,,,

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Generally it is the thick and uneducated that believe in religion. But often well educated and intelligent people do so as well. There are probably a multitude of reasons for this, but fitting in to their social surroundings might be the main one. To believe in a religion your brain has to be taught to omit some very damning evidence against it. Some go even further and study this evidence enough to find some way of explaining why this damning evidence is not damning at all, and the thick and uneducated are suckered in with these arguments and learn even further not to question what their beliefs are. The intelligent 'believers' keep the momentum going and the less intelligent ones believing. This could be why religion is taking so long to die out. I think and hope it eventually does.

Science and physics can pretty much rule out most known organised religions, but it cannot rule out the possibility of a 'god' or creator. To me it is simple, if there is a god, he isnt asking us to behave or worship in any particular way.



Science is nothing but a huge guess with some facts. Guesses would be the theories. Heck the creation of life on Earth is nothing more then a "theory" of evolution. A theory is nothing more then an educated guess. I mean, yes there are some facts. Not downing the entire science society and or knowledge. Just a lot of it on a theory.


Cowboy:

The emphasis is on EDUCATED guess. Are you educated? Do you know anything about the theory of evolution? I doubt that you do. (I don't) But the point is... there is a lot of evidence and facts to back it up. Not true with .... religion.