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Um, in this case I strongly agree with the church. It is NOT in the child's best interest to be placed in a homosexual home. That is being fair to the child. I don't give a D@MN whether or not the homosexual couple thinks it is fair or not. ********, it's only because of your beliefs that you think that. Being fair to the child is being objective, and this is far from that. This is exactly what's wrong with religion, you shove your views down people's throats with little regard for their feelings on the matter, and you use it as a reason to discriminate against others. You don't wanna be discriminated against, DON'T DO IT YOURSELF! I am being objective. I don't feel a homosexual environment is a good environment for a child to be raised. Same as a drug addict. Should we place children with drug addicts? If not, you are discriminating against drug addicts and you are guilty of the same things you are saying I am. To be truly fair, there should be absolutely no criteria used when placing a child. Anyone shows up at the door and says they want one, they should be given a child. All they need is a name and a body. How is saying I won't want a child placed with a homosexual couple forcing my religious views down people's throat? They have other avenues in which to pursue adoption. there are many foreign countries that do not allow homosexual couples to adopt from America as well. China for one. Do you think they are doing it because of their Christian views??? It has been shown time and time again that children do best when raised by a heterosexual couple. Because they have a male and female role model to see on a daily basis. I am thinking of what is best for the children. Apparently my thoughts don't count simply because I have faith. I would feel this way even if I wasn't a Christian. Would that change anything? Because then you have no religious argument to fall back on. No it wouldn't because you'd still be a bigot and be discriminating. And I LOVE the extreme argument you use. A drug addict and a homosexual loving couple ARE NOT THE SAME THING! I don't care how you try and twist it, they're not. One is an obvious problem, the other is merely assumed in the eyes of those against gays. Huge difference. I'm a bigot now? Thank you. Love being called names... If the shoe fits...... |
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Um, in this case I strongly agree with the church. It is NOT in the child's best interest to be placed in a homosexual home. That is being fair to the child. I don't give a D@MN whether or not the homosexual couple thinks it is fair or not. ********, it's only because of your beliefs that you think that. Being fair to the child is being objective, and this is far from that. This is exactly what's wrong with religion, you shove your views down people's throats with little regard for their feelings on the matter, and you use it as a reason to discriminate against others. You don't wanna be discriminated against, DON'T DO IT YOURSELF! I am being objective. I don't feel a homosexual environment is a good environment for a child to be raised. Same as a drug addict. Should we place children with drug addicts? If not, you are discriminating against drug addicts and you are guilty of the same things you are saying I am. To be truly fair, there should be absolutely no criteria used when placing a child. Anyone shows up at the door and says they want one, they should be given a child. All they need is a name and a body. How is saying I won't want a child placed with a homosexual couple forcing my religious views down people's throat? They have other avenues in which to pursue adoption. there are many foreign countries that do not allow homosexual couples to adopt from America as well. China for one. Do you think they are doing it because of their Christian views??? It has been shown time and time again that children do best when raised by a heterosexual couple. Because they have a male and female role model to see on a daily basis. I am thinking of what is best for the children. Apparently my thoughts don't count simply because I have faith. I would feel this way even if I wasn't a Christian. Would that change anything? Because then you have no religious argument to fall back on. No it wouldn't because you'd still be a bigot and be discriminating. And I LOVE the extreme argument you use. A drug addict and a homosexual loving couple ARE NOT THE SAME THING! I don't care how you try and twist it, they're not. One is an obvious problem, the other is merely assumed in the eyes of those against gays. Huge difference. I'm a bigot now? Thank you. Love being called names... If the shoe fits...... It doesn't fit. You clearly don't know me at all. You are making a judgment about who I am that is way off base simply because I don't think homosexual relationships are a good environment as adoptive parents. |
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Um, in this case I strongly agree with the church. It is NOT in the child's best interest to be placed in a homosexual home. That is being fair to the child. I don't give a D@MN whether or not the homosexual couple thinks it is fair or not. ********, it's only because of your beliefs that you think that. Being fair to the child is being objective, and this is far from that. This is exactly what's wrong with religion, you shove your views down people's throats with little regard for their feelings on the matter, and you use it as a reason to discriminate against others. You don't wanna be discriminated against, DON'T DO IT YOURSELF! I am being objective. I don't feel a homosexual environment is a good environment for a child to be raised. Same as a drug addict. Should we place children with drug addicts? If not, you are discriminating against drug addicts and you are guilty of the same things you are saying I am. To be truly fair, there should be absolutely no criteria used when placing a child. Anyone shows up at the door and says they want one, they should be given a child. All they need is a name and a body. How is saying I won't want a child placed with a homosexual couple forcing my religious views down people's throat? They have other avenues in which to pursue adoption. there are many foreign countries that do not allow homosexual couples to adopt from America as well. China for one. Do you think they are doing it because of their Christian views??? It has been shown time and time again that children do best when raised by a heterosexual couple. Because they have a male and female role model to see on a daily basis. I am thinking of what is best for the children. Apparently my thoughts don't count simply because I have faith. I would feel this way even if I wasn't a Christian. Would that change anything? Because then you have no religious argument to fall back on. No it wouldn't because you'd still be a bigot and be discriminating. And I LOVE the extreme argument you use. A drug addict and a homosexual loving couple ARE NOT THE SAME THING! I don't care how you try and twist it, they're not. One is an obvious problem, the other is merely assumed in the eyes of those against gays. Huge difference. I'm a bigot now? Thank you. Love being called names... If the shoe fits...... It doesn't fit. You clearly don't know me at all. You are making a judgment about who I am that is way off base simply because I don't think homosexual relationships are a good environment as adoptive parents. I know enough. You are basing your own opinions on how you view another person and what rights they have, instead of viewing them as they are. That tells me all I need to know. |
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Um, in this case I strongly agree with the church. It is NOT in the child's best interest to be placed in a homosexual home. That is being fair to the child. I don't give a D@MN whether or not the homosexual couple thinks it is fair or not. ********, it's only because of your beliefs that you think that. Being fair to the child is being objective, and this is far from that. This is exactly what's wrong with religion, you shove your views down people's throats with little regard for their feelings on the matter, and you use it as a reason to discriminate against others. You don't wanna be discriminated against, DON'T DO IT YOURSELF! I am being objective. I don't feel a homosexual environment is a good environment for a child to be raised. Same as a drug addict. Should we place children with drug addicts? If not, you are discriminating against drug addicts and you are guilty of the same things you are saying I am. To be truly fair, there should be absolutely no criteria used when placing a child. Anyone shows up at the door and says they want one, they should be given a child. All they need is a name and a body. How is saying I won't want a child placed with a homosexual couple forcing my religious views down people's throat? They have other avenues in which to pursue adoption. there are many foreign countries that do not allow homosexual couples to adopt from America as well. China for one. Do you think they are doing it because of their Christian views??? It has been shown time and time again that children do best when raised by a heterosexual couple. Because they have a male and female role model to see on a daily basis. I am thinking of what is best for the children. Apparently my thoughts don't count simply because I have faith. I would feel this way even if I wasn't a Christian. Would that change anything? Because then you have no religious argument to fall back on. No it wouldn't because you'd still be a bigot and be discriminating. And I LOVE the extreme argument you use. A drug addict and a homosexual loving couple ARE NOT THE SAME THING! I don't care how you try and twist it, they're not. One is an obvious problem, the other is merely assumed in the eyes of those against gays. Huge difference. I'm a bigot now? Thank you. Love being called names... If the shoe fits...... It doesn't fit. You clearly don't know me at all. You are making a judgment about who I am that is way off base simply because I don't think homosexual relationships are a good environment as adoptive parents. I know enough. You are basing your own opinions on how you view another person and what rights they have, instead of viewing them as they are. That tells me all I need to know. I know all I need to know about them. They are in a homosexual relationship. I have said a few times now that I don't see that as a healthy environment to raise a kid. Especially knowing all the studies have shown children do best in a heterosexual environment. Not single parent or unisex environment. I have passed no judgement on whether or not the homosexual couple has the right to be together. That is your assumption. They can be a great couple that is very loving. I still would prefer the children be in a heterosexual environment. You need to see beyond your dislike of religion and those of faith before you can understand anything about me. |
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I am being objective. I don't feel a homosexual environment is a good environment for a child to be raised. Same as a drug addict. Should we place children with drug addicts? If not, you are discriminating against drug addicts and you are guilty of the same things you are saying I am. To be truly fair, there should be absolutely no criteria used when placing a child. Anyone shows up at the door and says they want one, they should be given a child. All they need is a name and a body. Are you SERIOUSLY comparing a homosexual with a drug addict? And you can't see how that is a bad comparison or how that is discrimination? What about people who have sex with each other? Isn't that setting a bad example? Isn't sex a sin? Some religions treat it that way. The point is, strait parents don't have sexual relations around their kids, why do you think anyone else would? How is saying I won't want a child placed with a homosexual couple forcing my religious views down people's throat? They have other avenues in which to pursue adoption. there are many foreign countries that do not allow homosexual couples to adopt from America as well. China for one. Do you think they are doing it because of their Christian views??? Possibly. Or some other religious view. It has been shown time and time again that children do best when raised by a heterosexual couple. Because they have a male and female role model to see on a daily basis. It has been shown? By whom? Where? Where are these studies? I want references. Don't just say things like that if you can't back them up. I am thinking of what is best for the children. Apparently my thoughts don't count simply because I have faith. I would feel this way even if I wasn't a Christian. Would that change anything? Because then you have no religious argument to fall back on.
That is not "faith" you have, that is "religion." (Even if you were not religious, it is still discrimination.") Gay people are born that way. I'm really sorry if that offends you. Trans-genders are also born that way. Nobody cares about how much or what kind of "faith" you have. If you would rather a child be in the system or homeless rather than have a real home with a gay couple then you really don't know what the problem is. And these children are probably unwanted or neglected children of unwed mothers who was convinced or prevented from getting an abortion by some righteous anti-abortion group. |
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Um, in this case I strongly agree with the church. It is NOT in the child's best interest to be placed in a homosexual home. That is being fair to the child. I don't give a D@MN whether or not the homosexual couple thinks it is fair or not. ********, it's only because of your beliefs that you think that. Being fair to the child is being objective, and this is far from that. This is exactly what's wrong with religion, you shove your views down people's throats with little regard for their feelings on the matter, and you use it as a reason to discriminate against others. You don't wanna be discriminated against, DON'T DO IT YOURSELF! I am being objective. I don't feel a homosexual environment is a good environment for a child to be raised. Same as a drug addict. Should we place children with drug addicts? If not, you are discriminating against drug addicts and you are guilty of the same things you are saying I am. To be truly fair, there should be absolutely no criteria used when placing a child. Anyone shows up at the door and says they want one, they should be given a child. All they need is a name and a body. How is saying I won't want a child placed with a homosexual couple forcing my religious views down people's throat? They have other avenues in which to pursue adoption. there are many foreign countries that do not allow homosexual couples to adopt from America as well. China for one. Do you think they are doing it because of their Christian views??? It has been shown time and time again that children do best when raised by a heterosexual couple. Because they have a male and female role model to see on a daily basis. I am thinking of what is best for the children. Apparently my thoughts don't count simply because I have faith. I would feel this way even if I wasn't a Christian. Would that change anything? Because then you have no religious argument to fall back on. No it wouldn't because you'd still be a bigot and be discriminating. And I LOVE the extreme argument you use. A drug addict and a homosexual loving couple ARE NOT THE SAME THING! I don't care how you try and twist it, they're not. One is an obvious problem, the other is merely assumed in the eyes of those against gays. Huge difference. I'm a bigot now? Thank you. Love being called names... If the shoe fits...... It doesn't fit. You clearly don't know me at all. You are making a judgment about who I am that is way off base simply because I don't think homosexual relationships are a good environment as adoptive parents. I know enough. You are basing your own opinions on how you view another person and what rights they have, instead of viewing them as they are. That tells me all I need to know. I know all I need to know about them. They are in a homosexual relationship. I have said a few times now that I don't see that as a healthy environment to raise a kid. Especially knowing all the studies have shown children do best in a heterosexual environment. Not single parent or unisex environment. I have passed no judgement on whether or not the homosexual couple has the right to be together. That is your assumption. They can be a great couple that is very loving. I still would prefer the children be in a heterosexual environment. You need to see beyond your dislike of religion and those of faith before you can understand anything about me. Firstly, I have at least one study that would disagree with you. http://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/august/gay-study-083010.html Explain that away why don't you? No you haven't passed judgment on their relationship, but you sure as hell have on their ability to raise a kid. Newsflash, just because you don't agree with them, doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't be able to have the chance to adopt a kid (or have a kid by other means even) based on their own merit as a couple. What you prefer doesn't matter when it comes to whether someone should have the choice or not. I'd prefer my mom wouldn't drink as much as she does, but in the end the choice to do it or not is her own. Same thing should apply here. |
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I am being objective. I don't feel a homosexual environment is a good environment for a child to be raised. Same as a drug addict. Should we place children with drug addicts? If not, you are discriminating against drug addicts and you are guilty of the same things you are saying I am. To be truly fair, there should be absolutely no criteria used when placing a child. Anyone shows up at the door and says they want one, they should be given a child. All they need is a name and a body. Are you SERIOUSLY comparing a homosexual with a drug addict? And you can't see how that is a bad comparison or how that is discrimination? What about people who have sex with each other? Isn't that setting a bad example? Isn't sex a sin? Some religions treat it that way. The point is, strait parents don't have sexual relations around their kids, why do you think anyone else would? How is saying I won't want a child placed with a homosexual couple forcing my religious views down people's throat? They have other avenues in which to pursue adoption. there are many foreign countries that do not allow homosexual couples to adopt from America as well. China for one. Do you think they are doing it because of their Christian views??? Possibly. Or some other religious view. It has been shown time and time again that children do best when raised by a heterosexual couple. Because they have a male and female role model to see on a daily basis. It has been shown? By whom? Where? Where are these studies? I want references. Don't just say things like that if you can't back them up. I am thinking of what is best for the children. Apparently my thoughts don't count simply because I have faith. I would feel this way even if I wasn't a Christian. Would that change anything? Because then you have no religious argument to fall back on.
That is not "faith" you have, that is "religion." (Even if you were not religious, it is still discrimination.") Gay people are born that way. I'm really sorry if that offends you. Trans-genders are also born that way. Nobody cares about how much or what kind of "faith" you have. If you would rather a child be in the system or homeless rather than have a real home with a gay couple then you really don't know what the problem is. And these children are probably unwanted or neglected children of unwed mothers who was convinced or prevented from getting an abortion by some righteous anti-abortion group. Why does everyone keep trying to tell me I don't care about the kids? I do, which is why I would want them in a heterosexual family. Fine I am discriminating on behalf of the kids. I will take that. I think when kids are concerned, we should be VERY discriminating. I am NOT offended they are homosexual! I am only talking about what is best for the kids for their sake. Why is that so hard to understand? I don't care what that couple does wherever they do it. I care about what is best for the kids. I didn't use a drug addict as a comparison to the state of being homosexual. I was using it as an example that under some circumstances, everyone will discriminate. The only question is, where do you draw the line? Every studied I have ever heard on the news said kids do better in a heterosexual home. I don't know when or where they were done. I am only going off what I have heard since the 80s. |
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I know all I need to know about them. They are in a homosexual relationship. I have said a few times now that I don't see that as a healthy environment to raise a kid.
mylifetoday, Besides all the alleged so-called 'studies' why exactly do you think a homosexual couple is a 'bad environment' to raise a child? One thing for sure is that child will probably not grow up to be ignorant or prejudice against gays. Don't worry, you can't teach a person what sex they could be attracted to. That is how they were born. |
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Every studied I have ever heard on the news said kids do better in a heterosexual home. I don't know when or where they were done. I am only going off what I have heard since the 80s.
What you heard was somebody's lame opinion. There were NO STUDIES. |
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How is saying I won't want a child placed with a homosexual couple forcing my religious views down people's throat? Simple, you force these people to adhere to your beliefs and in so doing strip them of their right to adopt a child and be judged as being able to adopt a child on their own ability to give them a good home as a couple. That's how. |
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Um, in this case I strongly agree with the church. It is NOT in the child's best interest to be placed in a homosexual home. That is being fair to the child. I don't give a D@MN whether or not the homosexual couple thinks it is fair or not. ********, it's only because of your beliefs that you think that. Being fair to the child is being objective, and this is far from that. This is exactly what's wrong with religion, you shove your views down people's throats with little regard for their feelings on the matter, and you use it as a reason to discriminate against others. You don't wanna be discriminated against, DON'T DO IT YOURSELF! I am being objective. I don't feel a homosexual environment is a good environment for a child to be raised. Same as a drug addict. Should we place children with drug addicts? If not, you are discriminating against drug addicts and you are guilty of the same things you are saying I am. To be truly fair, there should be absolutely no criteria used when placing a child. Anyone shows up at the door and says they want one, they should be given a child. All they need is a name and a body. How is saying I won't want a child placed with a homosexual couple forcing my religious views down people's throat? They have other avenues in which to pursue adoption. there are many foreign countries that do not allow homosexual couples to adopt from America as well. China for one. Do you think they are doing it because of their Christian views??? It has been shown time and time again that children do best when raised by a heterosexual couple. Because they have a male and female role model to see on a daily basis. I am thinking of what is best for the children. Apparently my thoughts don't count simply because I have faith. I would feel this way even if I wasn't a Christian. Would that change anything? Because then you have no religious argument to fall back on. No it wouldn't because you'd still be a bigot and be discriminating. And I LOVE the extreme argument you use. A drug addict and a homosexual loving couple ARE NOT THE SAME THING! I don't care how you try and twist it, they're not. One is an obvious problem, the other is merely assumed in the eyes of those against gays. Huge difference. I'm a bigot now? Thank you. Love being called names... If the shoe fits...... It doesn't fit. You clearly don't know me at all. You are making a judgment about who I am that is way off base simply because I don't think homosexual relationships are a good environment as adoptive parents. I know enough. You are basing your own opinions on how you view another person and what rights they have, instead of viewing them as they are. That tells me all I need to know. I know all I need to know about them. They are in a homosexual relationship. I have said a few times now that I don't see that as a healthy environment to raise a kid. Especially knowing all the studies have shown children do best in a heterosexual environment. Not single parent or unisex environment. I have passed no judgement on whether or not the homosexual couple has the right to be together. That is your assumption. They can be a great couple that is very loving. I still would prefer the children be in a heterosexual environment. You need to see beyond your dislike of religion and those of faith before you can understand anything about me. Firstly, I have at least one study that would disagree with you. http://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/august/gay-study-083010.html Explain that away why don't you? No you haven't passed judgment on their relationship, but you sure as hell have on their ability to raise a kid. Newsflash, just because you don't agree with them, doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't be able to have the chance to adopt a kid (or have a kid by other means even) based on their own merit as a couple. What you prefer doesn't matter when it comes to whether someone should have the choice or not. I'd prefer my mom wouldn't drink as much as she does, but in the end the choice to do it or not is her own. Same thing should apply here. You can have your opinion. Why can't I have mine? I don't agree with yours. So what? Why does that bother you so much? They already are going with your opinion. I disagree with what is already happening. Why do you feel you need to defend this so strongly? I never said a homosexual couple was incapable of raising a child. |
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Kleisto
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You can have your opinion. Why can't I have mine? I don't agree with yours. So what? Why does that bother you so much? They already are going with your opinion. I disagree with what is already happening. Why do you feel you need to defend this so strongly? I never said a homosexual couple was incapable of raising a child. Oh NOWWWWW you're gonna backpedal. If you don't think they are incapable, than give them a damn chance! I don't care if you agree with me or not, you can have your view, but when your view is directly or indirectly effecting others lives as would be in a case like this, that's where I have a problem. And that's where I feel a need to defend this, because this is bad for the kids as it means less chances to find a home for them, and discriminates against loving couples who would love to give them that home. |
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I know all I need to know about them. They are in a homosexual relationship. I have said a few times now that I don't see that as a healthy environment to raise a kid.
One thing for sure is that child will probably not grow up to be ignorant or prejudice against gays. How do you know that? Where is your evidence that they won't? What if the kid resents them when they are grown? Wouldn't that make them more prejudiced than others that have not experienced that environment? Or is resenting of parents exclusive to heterosexual couples? |
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Every studied I have ever heard on the news said kids do better in a heterosexual home. I don't know when or where they were done. I am only going off what I have heard since the 80s.
What you heard was somebody's lame opinion. There were NO STUDIES. So, when I heard on the news, "XYZ did a study that showed..." they made up the study and just gave their opinion? By the way, I don't watch Fox news and never did. So you can toss that argument out the window... |
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It has been shown time and time again that children do best when raised by a heterosexual couple. OMG are you serious? Its 2011 and someone just posted this? No, no, no, no. Children do best when raised by good parents. The lesbian parents I know are some of the best parents I've seen, period. You are making a judgment about who I am that is way off base simply because I don't think homosexual relationships are a good environment as adoptive parents.
Well, his accusation follows pretty directly. I mean, how else could someone be so ignorant as to think that homosexual couples don't make good parents? |
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Every studied I have ever heard on the news said kids do better in a heterosexual home. I don't know when or where they were done. I am only going off what I have heard since the 80s. What kind of 'news' are you watching? |
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It has been shown time and time again that children do best when raised by a heterosexual couple. OMG are you serious? Its 2011 and someone just posted this? No, no, no, no. Children do best when raised by good parents. The lesbian parents I know are some of the best parents I've seen, period. Amen. At the end of the day, you can have studies that show straight parents are better, gay parents are better, or that they are equally good. But they don't prove as much, as seeing the couples deal with the kids on a day to day basis. A good home can come from either side, just as much as a bad one can. The genders matter not. |
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How is saying I won't want a child placed with a homosexual couple forcing my religious views down people's throat? Simple, you force these people to adhere to your beliefs and in so doing strip them of their right to adopt a child and be judged as being able to adopt a child on their own ability to give them a good home as a couple. That's how. No matter how you slice it, I am not forcing my beliefs upon them. They don't have to adhere to my beliefs in any way shape or form. They don't have to be Christian and I am not saying they need to convert to have a child. They can complain that my personal belief is that a kid is better off in a heterosexual home all they want. That doesn't make them have to accept my faith in any way. I could still have that view if I were not Christian. There actually are quite a few people that hold that view that are not? Are they also forcing their beliefs down someones throat? |
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Every studied I have ever heard on the news said kids do better in a heterosexual home. I don't know when or where they were done. I am only going off what I have heard since the 80s.
What you heard was somebody's lame opinion. There were NO STUDIES. So, when I heard on the news, "XYZ did a study that showed..." they made up the study and just gave their opinion? By the way, I don't watch Fox news and never did. So you can toss that argument out the window... Saying (claiming) that you heard on the news "XYZ did a studdy that showed..." with no real references or proof or information about the study or how it was conducted or when equals this conclusion: THERE WERE NO SUCH STUDIES. |
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How is saying I won't want a child placed with a homosexual couple forcing my religious views down people's throat? Simple, you force these people to adhere to your beliefs and in so doing strip them of their right to adopt a child and be judged as being able to adopt a child on their own ability to give them a good home as a couple. That's how. No matter how you slice it, I am not forcing my beliefs upon them. They don't have to adhere to my beliefs in any way shape or form. They don't have to be Christian and I am not saying they need to convert to have a child. They can complain that my personal belief is that a kid is better off in a heterosexual home all they want. That doesn't make them have to accept my faith in any way. I could still have that view if I were not Christian. There actually are quite a few people that hold that view that are not? Are they also forcing their beliefs down someones throat? You clearly don't get it. You are using your beliefs on what constitutes a healthy home, to blackball them from being able to have kids. If that's not forcing your religious view onto them, I don't know what is. Fact is, whether they have to believe what you do or not, they are effected by it here. Period. |
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