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NO...WE DON'T EVER SEPARATE GOD AND HIS WORD. BUT GOD NEVER MEANT FOR MAN TO TURN GOD AND HIS WORD... INTO JUST ANOTHER RELIGION. You're not getting it though, it still IS a religion, because you base your whole life on certain regulations and beliefs. |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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NO...WE DON'T EVER SEPARATE GOD AND HIS WORD. BUT GOD NEVER MEANT FOR MAN TO TURN GOD AND HIS WORD... INTO JUST ANOTHER RELIGION. You're not getting it though, it still IS a religion, because you base your whole life on certain regulations and beliefs. No we don't. We don't do anything. We have our beliefs, just as you and everyone else has their beliefs. We don't attain these beliefs because we have chosen to be a Christian. We are a Christian because we have chosen the beliefs that apply to being as such. A Christian is one who believes Jesus to be the only way to our father who art in heaven. They believe that first, before they are a "Christian". People of other beliefs or no beliefs at all then give this person the title Christian because of the beliefs they hold. |
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If everyone would just always agree that I am right we wouldnt need to argue anymore 
But i have tried and tried to tell that that I am always right and noone is listening 
Okay everyone repeat after me....... JOSIE....IS....ALWAYS...RIGHT JOSIE...IS,...ALWAYS.....RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR ok wait I can do this, let me try again JOSIE .. IS ...ALWAYS....RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Come on Say it funches you know you can JOSIE IS ALWAYS ......RIGHT. RIGHT RIGHT SEE ITS EASY 
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Edited by
josie68
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NO...WE DON'T EVER SEPARATE GOD AND HIS WORD. BUT GOD NEVER MEANT FOR MAN TO TURN GOD AND HIS WORD... INTO JUST ANOTHER RELIGION. You're not getting it though, it still IS a religion, because you base your whole life on certain regulations and beliefs. No we don't. We don't do anything. We have our beliefs, just as you and everyone else has their beliefs. We don't attain these beliefs because we have chosen to be a Christian. We are a Christian because we have chosen the beliefs that apply to being as such. A Christian is one who believes Jesus to be the only way to our father who art in heaven. They believe that first, before they are a "Christian". People of other beliefs or no beliefs at all then give this person the title Christian because of the beliefs they hold. 
This is why, someone always must be right.. Often its not enough to just love God, but it seems we need to push our beliefs on others, sometimes we try and erradicate other beliefs and sometimes we just plain old put them down and rub dirt in their faces as we are so sure that we are right.. Until everyone can just happily let others see what is right or wrong for themselves, and just show love, then it will never ever end.. I always thought that God wanted us to plant the seed, somehow I missed the part where we had to plant in and then stomp it into the ground until it was dead.. If God can use a donkey then surely he can show us how to make some sense. Hmmm but some peole are more stubborn then most donkeys I know.. |
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By the time I was about 12 I began having these little arguments with my Dad. Here is an example: We would be watching or listening to the news and I might say, "that's so rediculous why don't they ....?"
Then my dad would say, "you don't understand, they don't do .... because ...." Then I would say, "I do understand" and then I'd repeat what he said ONLY I would say it using different words. He'd say "NO, listen to me, it's ...." "Yes, and I agreed but you have to look at..." "NO, I said... and that's not what you said" There would never be agreement and eventually I had to stop or risk being disrespectful and that would not have been allowed. This went on for several years before my mother, in a totally exasperated tone, said to me one day "WHY DO YOU DO THAT?" You see, no one in my family bickered and no one in my family argued openly, so to my mother, I was being a rebel. I actually had to think for a minute becuase arguing had become a habit and I had forgotten why I was being so stubborn. When I remembered I said: "because, one of these days he's going to look at me and realize that we are saying the same thing, and that's all I want is HIS recognition and understanding of MY WORDS. I was in my thirties before that happened, but from that day to this, (a long time) we both speak our view and if the other agrees, we simply shake our head to signify so and if we don't agree we hear the other one out and then shake our head to signify our disagreement. Knowing that you are really being heard, really being understood, makes a lot of difference to a conversation and to a relationship. We can always agree on one thing, to respect each other - unfortunately, that is were we find our greatest disagreement. Respect for others has always been one of my father's greatest values but it took him over 30 years to learn what he had tried so hard to teach me - respect. When he learned to respect how I communicate and my views, there was no need to contine to disagree. BUT - that being said, I really do like a vibrant discussion in which persuasion is the goal in an ethical form of communication. |
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NO...WE DON'T EVER SEPARATE GOD AND HIS WORD. BUT GOD NEVER MEANT FOR MAN TO TURN GOD AND HIS WORD... INTO JUST ANOTHER RELIGION. You're not getting it though, it still IS a religion, because you base your whole life on certain regulations and beliefs. No we don't. We don't do anything. We have our beliefs, just as you and everyone else has their beliefs. We don't attain these beliefs because we have chosen to be a Christian. We are a Christian because we have chosen the beliefs that apply to being as such. A Christian is one who believes Jesus to be the only way to our father who art in heaven. They believe that first, before they are a "Christian". People of other beliefs or no beliefs at all then give this person the title Christian because of the beliefs they hold. my god is better than your god... |
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NO...WE DON'T EVER SEPARATE GOD AND HIS WORD. BUT GOD NEVER MEANT FOR MAN TO TURN GOD AND HIS WORD... INTO JUST ANOTHER RELIGION. You're not getting it though, it still IS a religion, because you base your whole life on certain regulations and beliefs. No we don't. We don't do anything. We have our beliefs, just as you and everyone else has their beliefs. We don't attain these beliefs because we have chosen to be a Christian. We are a Christian because we have chosen the beliefs that apply to being as such. A Christian is one who believes Jesus to be the only way to our father who art in heaven. They believe that first, before they are a "Christian". People of other beliefs or no beliefs at all then give this person the title Christian because of the beliefs they hold. my god is better than your god... Glad you think so :). |
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NO...WE DON'T EVER SEPARATE GOD AND HIS WORD. BUT GOD NEVER MEANT FOR MAN TO TURN GOD AND HIS WORD... INTO JUST ANOTHER RELIGION. You're not getting it though, it still IS a religion, because you base your whole life on certain regulations and beliefs. No we don't. We don't do anything. We have our beliefs, just as you and everyone else has their beliefs. We don't attain these beliefs because we have chosen to be a Christian. We are a Christian because we have chosen the beliefs that apply to being as such. A Christian is one who believes Jesus to be the only way to our father who art in heaven. They believe that first, before they are a "Christian". People of other beliefs or no beliefs at all then give this person the title Christian because of the beliefs they hold.
This is why, someone always must be right.. Often its not enough to just love God, but it seems we need to push our beliefs on others, sometimes we try and erradicate other beliefs and sometimes we just plain old put them down and rub dirt in their faces as we are so sure that we are right.. Until everyone can just happily let others see what is right or wrong for themselves, and just show love, then it will never ever end.. I always thought that God wanted us to plant the seed, somehow I missed the part where we had to plant in and then stomp it into the ground until it was dead.. If God can use a donkey then surely he can show us how to make some sense. Hmmm but some peole are more stubborn then most donkeys I know.. This is why, someone always must be right.. Often its not enough to just love God, but it seems we need to push our beliefs on others, sometimes we try and erradicate other beliefs and sometimes we just plain old put them down and rub dirt in their faces as we are so sure that we are right.. If I straight up tell you Jesus is the only way to God but you don't believe, that is not me "pushing" my beliefs on you. Even if I continuously do it, that would still not be "pushing" my beliefs on you. That's just sharing my beliefs with you. "I" believe Jesus is the only way, "I" believe Jesus is the only way and any other way will just get you into the middle of no where. That is what "I" believe. This isn't pushing one's belief on another, again it is merely sharing and discussing with the other. *Please don't take this message personal. This isn't particularly directed at specifically you. Just it was easy to use you and I as an example of what I'm saying in this particular statement.* |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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Sun 05/29/11 09:40 PM
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By the time I was about 12 I began having these little arguments with my Dad. Here is an example: We would be watching or listening to the news and I might say, "that's so rediculous why don't they ....?" Then my dad would say, "you don't understand, they don't do .... because ...." Then I would say, "I do understand" and then I'd repeat what he said ONLY I would say it using different words. He'd say "NO, listen to me, it's ...." "Yes, and I agreed but you have to look at..." "NO, I said... and that's not what you said" There would never be agreement and eventually I had to stop or risk being disrespectful and that would not have been allowed. This went on for several years before my mother, in a totally exasperated tone, said to me one day "WHY DO YOU DO THAT?" You see, no one in my family bickered and no one in my family argued openly, so to my mother, I was being a rebel. I actually had to think for a minute becuase arguing had become a habit and I had forgotten why I was being so stubborn. When I remembered I said: "because, one of these days he's going to look at me and realize that we are saying the same thing, and that's all I want is HIS recognition and understanding of MY WORDS. I was in my thirties before that happened, but from that day to this, (a long time) we both speak our view and if the other agrees, we simply shake our head to signify so and if we don't agree we hear the other one out and then shake our head to signify our disagreement. Knowing that you are really being heard, really being understood, makes a lot of difference to a conversation and to a relationship. We can always agree on one thing, to respect each other - unfortunately, that is were we find our greatest disagreement. Respect for others has always been one of my father's greatest values but it took him over 30 years to learn what he had tried so hard to teach me - respect. When he learned to respect how I communicate and my views, there was no need to contine to disagree. I wish my dad and that side of the family really as a whole would understand this, and in ways my mom's side too. Ever since I started waking up and became more vocal about the realities of what religion and politics are about and what is really going on in our world, I have became a black sheep on either side. I feel like I am never really listened to all that much, but looked at as....well young and stupid more often than not, if not naive. I don't even talk to my dad's side of the family now. I couldn't take it after a while, and had to cut myself loose. I don't know if I could ever go back, especially seeing as now I don't believe in religion at all vs only being non Catholic when I finally stopped communicating a year ago. The judgment from them would be even worse now, than it already was for leaving the "truth". It makes me feel rather alone at times all this, between family members not understanding and even others around me not either (losing a friend when I left religion entirely for example), it can be a lonely feeling. I know I'm not the only one who sees what is happening, much less the only one that understands it, but......it's still hard to deal with so much criticism you know? Sorry if this wasn't the most connected thought structure incidentally, hope you can follow it ok. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 05/29/11 09:47 PM
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Earlier I said that
God is interested in RELATIONSHIP with his Creation. NOT Religion. Seek and You Shall Find. Actually, There's Nothing negative here at all..... as far as I can see , about God wanting a relationship , intead of religion with His creation. 
In fact, Sounds pretty darn positive to me. 
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(((((
Kliesto)))))
Kliesto....One day God may very well use you to show your family what a relationship with God is ...instead of just relgion. Love your family anyway..and forgive them. God is not done with you nor your family.
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Cowboy wrote:
A Christian is one who believes Jesus to be the only way to our father who art in heaven. They believe that first, before they are a "Christian". People of other beliefs or no beliefs at all then give this person the title Christian because of the beliefs they hold. A Christian is simply anyone who believes in the claims of the New Testament. Period. If you believe in the claims of the New Testament then you are a "Christian" and no one is giving you any "titles". You have chosen to become a "Christian" by simply accepting the claims of the New Testament that Jesus was "The Christ". That's all it means to be a "Christian". Being a "Christian" has nothing at all to do with behavior, lifestyle, or anything else. Now you could argue that behavior can be used to judge whether a person is a "good" Christian or a "bad" Christian as you often do. But that's a moot point. The bottom line is that all the term "Christian" means is that a person believes that Jesus was "The Christ" as per the claims made by the authors of the New Testament. That's all it means to be a "Christian". If you personally would like for it to mean something more for you, that's your own personal definition. But for the world at large, a "Christian" is simply anyone who believes the claims of the New Testament. Even if they chose to be evil, if they actually believe in the claims of the New Testament, and that Jesus was "The Christ", then they are simply an evil Christian. But they would still be a "Christian" because they believe that Jesus was "The Christ" That's all that is required to be a "Christian". That does not necessarily mean that this is all that's require to be "save" according to those stories. But that has nothing to do with being a "Christian". You're probably confusing "Christian" with "Being saved". |
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A good theory will describe a large range of phenomena on the basis of a few simple postulates and will make definite predictions that can be tested. If the predictions agree with the observations, the theory survives that test, though it can never be proved to be correct."
Note to self I do think I said theories are ot in themselves proof. and you quote agreed thank you |
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I can see that once again the issue becomes one of whose interpretation is corrrect. The one post I saw that was saying like I am let us agree to disagree was excellent
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 05/29/11 10:40 PM
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Abra......
being saved and being a christian ,are one and the same. In order to be saved, one simply by Faith, believes and receives Christ Jesus into his heart..and MEANS IT!!! THAT'S IT. Evidence will always follow afterwards.....as proof that salvation took place. For Instance..... There will be the evidence of a changed heart and a changed life by a willingness to please God. But most of All, a person will LOVE God and others, with a fresh new joy and gladness like never before... simply because that person now has become a new creature in Christ Jesus... with a brand spanking new born again spirit within .... because the Holy Spirit has now taken up residence within the heart of that born again child of God !!
Religion can't do this. Only Relationship can .
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By the time I was about 12 I began having these little arguments with my Dad. Here is an example: We would be watching or listening to the news and I might say, "that's so rediculous why don't they ....?" Then my dad would say, "you don't understand, they don't do .... because ...." Then I would say, "I do understand" and then I'd repeat what he said ONLY I would say it using different words. He'd say "NO, listen to me, it's ...." "Yes, and I agreed but you have to look at..." "NO, I said... and that's not what you said" There would never be agreement and eventually I had to stop or risk being disrespectful and that would not have been allowed. This went on for several years before my mother, in a totally exasperated tone, said to me one day "WHY DO YOU DO THAT?" You see, no one in my family bickered and no one in my family argued openly, so to my mother, I was being a rebel. I actually had to think for a minute becuase arguing had become a habit and I had forgotten why I was being so stubborn. When I remembered I said: "because, one of these days he's going to look at me and realize that we are saying the same thing, and that's all I want is HIS recognition and understanding of MY WORDS. I was in my thirties before that happened, but from that day to this, (a long time) we both speak our view and if the other agrees, we simply shake our head to signify so and if we don't agree we hear the other one out and then shake our head to signify our disagreement. Knowing that you are really being heard, really being understood, makes a lot of difference to a conversation and to a relationship. We can always agree on one thing, to respect each other - unfortunately, that is were we find our greatest disagreement. Respect for others has always been one of my father's greatest values but it took him over 30 years to learn what he had tried so hard to teach me - respect. When he learned to respect how I communicate and my views, there was no need to contine to disagree. BUT - that being said, I really do like a vibrant discussion in which persuasion is the goal in an ethical form of communication. Knowing that you are really being heard, really being understood, makes a lot of difference to a conversation and to a relationship.
We can always agree on one thing, to respect each other - unfortunately, that is were we find our greatest disagreement. Respect for others has always been one of my father's greatest values but it took him over 30 years to learn what he had tried so hard to teach me - respect. When he learned to respect how I communicate and my views, there was no need to contine to disagree. I Agree. And Very Well Said as Always,Redykeulous.
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 05/29/11 11:53 PM
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A good theory will describe a large range of phenomena on the basis of a few simple postulates and will make definite predictions that can be tested. If the predictions agree with the observations, the theory survives that test, though it can never be proved to be correct." Note to self I do think I said theories are ot in themselves proof. and you quote agreed thank you Theories are Not Proof..... Just like the different theories about God offer no Proof . But God DOES offer us PROOF of His Existence....... WHEN WE BELIEVE ON HIM. THE PROOF is when GOD HIMSELF...thru HIS HOLY SPIRIT.... STEPS INSIDE A BELIEVER'S HEART !!!
And WHEN that Happens.... NO OTHER PROOF IS NECCESSARY !!!! That is HOW a Believer KNOWS THAT HE KNOWS THAT HE KNOWS THAT HE KNOWS THAT HE KNOWS THAT HE KNOWS 
THAT HE IS BORN AGAIN.... AND THAT GOD IS REAL!!!   <<<<<herbal tea
THAT'S BECAUSE GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT NOW BEARS WITNESS WITH THE BELIEVER'S SPIRIT.... THUS LETTING HIM KNOW THAT HE IS NOW A BORN AGAIN CHILD OF GOD ... LEAVING NO MORE DOUBTS WHATSOEVER ..... THAT GOD IS REAL !!!
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I can see that once again the issue becomes one of whose interpretation is corrrect. The one post I saw that was saying like I am let us agree to disagree was excellent Well, that's easy enough to do. Just withhold your views and remain silent.
Let the arrogant proselytizers have their way ramming their views and opinions down the throat of Jesus and regurgitating them in the name of God. From my perspective nothing is more pathetic than that, and unfortunately the few people who do it seem to be obsessive about it. I truly believe that some people love to hate, and they found the perfect "cover" in Christ. They can use Christ as an excuse for extreme religious bigotry and arrogance, all the while pretending that they are being "righteous". In fact, any religion that can even be used in such a way should be extremely questioned just because of that simple aspect alone. Any religion that can be used to belittle anyone for not being a member of the cult is clearly an unrighteous religion, IMHO. Period. I realize that some Christians wish that Christianity could not be used to support such egotistical arrogance. But let's face, history has proven otherwise. It's extremely easy to use Christianity in such a negative away, and this has even been the hallmark of the religion for most of its existence on the planet. Unfortunately there are egotists who love to use Christ as an excuse to support religious bigotry. But then again, that's common with the Abrahamic religions in general because they are all based on the concept of a "jealous God". I'm sure the Muslims can be just as arrogant about their concept of God as well. From my perspective people who use God as a crutch for egotistical power are the most pathetic people in all of humanity. |
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NO...WE DON'T EVER SEPARATE GOD AND HIS WORD. BUT GOD NEVER MEANT FOR MAN TO TURN GOD AND HIS WORD... INTO JUST ANOTHER RELIGION. You're not getting it though, it still IS a religion, because you base your whole life on certain regulations and beliefs. No we don't. We don't do anything. We have our beliefs, just as you and everyone else has their beliefs. We don't attain these beliefs because we have chosen to be a Christian. We are a Christian because we have chosen the beliefs that apply to being as such. A Christian is one who believes Jesus to be the only way to our father who art in heaven. They believe that first, before they are a "Christian". People of other beliefs or no beliefs at all then give this person the title Christian because of the beliefs they hold. my god is better than your god... Glad you think so :). lol good answer |
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NO...WE DON'T EVER SEPARATE GOD AND HIS WORD. BUT GOD NEVER MEANT FOR MAN TO TURN GOD AND HIS WORD... INTO JUST ANOTHER RELIGION. You're not getting it though, it still IS a religion, because you base your whole life on certain regulations and beliefs. No we don't. We don't do anything. We have our beliefs, just as you and everyone else has their beliefs. We don't attain these beliefs because we have chosen to be a Christian. We are a Christian because we have chosen the beliefs that apply to being as such. A Christian is one who believes Jesus to be the only way to our father who art in heaven. They believe that first, before they are a "Christian". People of other beliefs or no beliefs at all then give this person the title Christian because of the beliefs they hold. my god is better than your god... No way mine is better..So There.... Oops its the same one.. Oh well mines still better
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