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NO...WE DON'T EVER SEPARATE GOD AND HIS WORD. BUT GOD NEVER MEANT FOR MAN TO TURN GOD AND HIS WORD... INTO JUST ANOTHER RELIGION. You're not getting it though, it still IS a religion, because you base your whole life on certain regulations and beliefs. No we don't. We don't do anything. We have our beliefs, just as you and everyone else has their beliefs. We don't attain these beliefs because we have chosen to be a Christian. We are a Christian because we have chosen the beliefs that apply to being as such. A Christian is one who believes Jesus to be the only way to our father who art in heaven. They believe that first, before they are a "Christian". People of other beliefs or no beliefs at all then give this person the title Christian because of the beliefs they hold. 
This is why, someone always must be right.. Often its not enough to just love God, but it seems we need to push our beliefs on others, sometimes we try and erradicate other beliefs and sometimes we just plain old put them down and rub dirt in their faces as we are so sure that we are right.. Until everyone can just happily let others see what is right or wrong for themselves, and just show love, then it will never ever end.. I always thought that God wanted us to plant the seed, somehow I missed the part where we had to plant in and then stomp it into the ground until it was dead.. If God can use a donkey then surely he can show us how to make some sense. Hmmm but some peole are more stubborn then most donkeys I know.. This is why, someone always must be right.. Often its not enough to just love God, but it seems we need to push our beliefs on others, sometimes we try and erradicate other beliefs and sometimes we just plain old put them down and rub dirt in their faces as we are so sure that we are right.. If I straight up tell you Jesus is the only way to God but you don't believe, that is not me "pushing" my beliefs on you. Even if I continuously do it, that would still not be "pushing" my beliefs on you. That's just sharing my beliefs with you. "I" believe Jesus is the only way, "I" believe Jesus is the only way and any other way will just get you into the middle of no where. That is what "I" believe. This isn't pushing one's belief on another, again it is merely sharing and discussing with the other. *Please don't take this message personal. This isn't particularly directed at specifically you. Just it was easy to use you and I as an example of what I'm saying in this particular statement.* Cowboy, nothing you ever say willupset me, I know you are not attacking me.. i agree with what you believe, i just dont always agree with how people put it across, sometimes, christians do come across as feeling superior and right. Its a little bit like in my home, I am the head of our household and if I say something is right then it should be right, however, if my children dont agree with me, then I need to listen to what they are saying, and normally it makes sense, it may not always be right, but i still listen and if i am wrong i admit it and if theyare wrong then they do its really easy.. but at times on here, I feel like beating my head against a wall 
As instead of listening, sometimes things are just replied to without even considering the other persons feeling s or beliefs.. \ Thats just my opinion though.. |
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I believe in the future of our children
treat them well and let them live their lives Show them all the beauty they possess inside Give them a world to live on and make it a better place oh sorry! I was singing a song from Whitney Houston! Ha ha! 
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Mon 05/30/11 03:59 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvPYXHM94DQ&feature=related Whitney in a live performance.... goes wayyy back.... " I believe the children are our are future Teach them well and let them lead the way Show them all the beauty they possess inside Give them a sense of pride to make it easier Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be..." |
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By the time I was about 12 I began having these little arguments with my Dad. Here is an example: We would be watching or listening to the news and I might say, "that's so rediculous why don't they ....?" Then my dad would say, "you don't understand, they don't do .... because ...." Then I would say, "I do understand" and then I'd repeat what he said ONLY I would say it using different words. He'd say "NO, listen to me, it's ...." "Yes, and I agreed but you have to look at..." "NO, I said... and that's not what you said" There would never be agreement and eventually I had to stop or risk being disrespectful and that would not have been allowed. This went on for several years before my mother, in a totally exasperated tone, said to me one day "WHY DO YOU DO THAT?" You see, no one in my family bickered and no one in my family argued openly, so to my mother, I was being a rebel. I actually had to think for a minute becuase arguing had become a habit and I had forgotten why I was being so stubborn. When I remembered I said: "because, one of these days he's going to look at me and realize that we are saying the same thing, and that's all I want is HIS recognition and understanding of MY WORDS. I was in my thirties before that happened, but from that day to this, (a long time) we both speak our view and if the other agrees, we simply shake our head to signify so and if we don't agree we hear the other one out and then shake our head to signify our disagreement. Knowing that you are really being heard, really being understood, makes a lot of difference to a conversation and to a relationship. We can always agree on one thing, to respect each other - unfortunately, that is were we find our greatest disagreement. Respect for others has always been one of my father's greatest values but it took him over 30 years to learn what he had tried so hard to teach me - respect. When he learned to respect how I communicate and my views, there was no need to contine to disagree. I wish my dad and that side of the family really as a whole would understand this, and in ways my mom's side too. Ever since I started waking up and became more vocal about the realities of what religion and politics are about and what is really going on in our world, I have became a black sheep on either side. I feel like I am never really listened to all that much, but looked at as....well young and stupid more often than not, if not naive. I don't even talk to my dad's side of the family now. I couldn't take it after a while, and had to cut myself loose. I don't know if I could ever go back, especially seeing as now I don't believe in religion at all vs only being non Catholic when I finally stopped communicating a year ago. The judgment from them would be even worse now, than it already was for leaving the "truth". It makes me feel rather alone at times all this, between family members not understanding and even others around me not either (losing a friend when I left religion entirely for example), it can be a lonely feeling. I know I'm not the only one who sees what is happening, much less the only one that understands it, but......it's still hard to deal with so much criticism you know? Sorry if this wasn't the most connected thought structure incidentally, hope you can follow it ok. Although I knew at 13 that I was an athiest, it wasn't until I was 17 that I tried to explain to my mother. I figured her for the the easier tell. I manipulated the conversation to religion and then I finally said that I don't believe in all that. My mother laughed and I protested saying "no really, I don't believe in Jesus or God." My mon said "of course you do, you were raised to believe that, so of course you believe, we all do". It was then I realized that my atheism would never be well received. I simply chose never to discuss my beliefs with my family. My mother died last October at the age of 77. My father asked me to lead the prayer at her memorial service, I just suggested that my Aunt was a far better choice. I was rather surprized at their reaction - it was just assumed that the moment was just too emotional for me. Perhaps it's wrong to allow these assumptions to go on, but I think the greater wrong would have been to loose my family over beliefs that mean nothing to me. I have learned through the diversity of my family what acceptance is. When the Christian side of my family joins hands for the dinner prayer, the Jewish members and myself comply, because no matter whom there is to thank for the gift of being together, it's worth a few moments for me to look at each bowed head and know this is home. It saddens me to think that I was little known to the people who should have known me best - but it would be sadder still if such ego had prevented me from opening up to knowing them. Every relationship reqires some negotiation in order to keep the peace or the status quo, and sometimes it's just easier to negotiate the terms with yourself, for yourself. I don't deny the religion they think I should have, but I refuse to publically play a role, or model behavior, that's inconsistent with my own beliefs. They can attribute that behavior in any way they want and I'll let them. And if I am asked point blank about my beliefs - I would never lie. Set ego aside when others cannot, and negotiate with yourself until you are satisfied that your actions will not alienate others or cause you to deny your own beliefs. Rise to the challenge and you will rise above. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 05/30/11 10:45 PM
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I think people are more gracious and tolerant(allowing) of others when they meet face to face than in conversations on the Internet.
Everyone does like a sounding board for their ideas and beliefs. I get really hard on here sometimes, which is something I would not do to a family or even community member face to face. Face to face you see the person. On the internet you simply see the ideas, concepts, and words. In the past I did find myself often engaged in arguments where I would get quite flustered. Its better, they say, not to talk politics or religion in a social setting. That is good advice. |
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Earlier I said that God is interested in RELATIONSHIP with his Creation. Okay, so where is he? Seriously. Why is this creator not here amongst his people having a real relationship? Why did the creators leave the planet? Why do people anxiously await his return? Some relationship.  
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