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Topic: Doing What's Right
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Fri 01/21/11 10:06 PM
RULES...MEAN 'AUTHORITY',,,authority means 'power',power means 'YES'

I would break rules and obstructions and cause terror in all who restricted,suppressed and confined my values as a human being HERE on this earth,,,,,,to my DEATH I WOULD STAND...


excuse me,,,but,,could I go to the restroom now?? Please.


This above statement was what WE WERE ALL TAUGHT AS TO OBEY.


So from children forward,,we have been programed to FOLLOW RULES.

Many can't do that w/o objections,,and THEIR LOCKED UP,and LOCKED DOWN,,,,,

Why?


Is this NOT a freedom state of reference and order, and guidelines?


WHAT PARENT would not STAND-UP for their child's right to go to the restroom??I mean when ya gottas,,ya gotta,,,

We would let them POTTY at thirteen in their drawers??? Please..
ANY parent confronted with being there when their child asked,,and was told no,,repeatedly,,,would,,,,BREAK THE RULES OF SCHOOL CONDUCT

THATS just one small scenario but you get my point,,,
MANY- when PUSHED to DEFEND their positions of "RIGHT",,would break ALL the rules..IF,,,"NEEDED" in their minds to do..

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Fri 01/21/11 10:43 PM


I had an interesting question posed to me today, and I 'd like to hear how you would have answered:

Are there times when you have to break a rule or violate a policy in order to ethically or morally "do the right thing?"

And, would you? Would you break the rules to do what is morally right if confronted with that?


Germans who hid Jews in their basements from the Nazis were breaking the laws. So, yes, there are times when it's morally wrong to follow the rules.




Good example, Ruth.

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Fri 01/21/11 10:49 PM


I had an interesting question posed to me today, and I 'd like to hear how you would have answered:

Are there times when you have to break a rule or violate a policy in order to ethically or morally "do the right thing?"

And, would you? Would you break the rules to do what is morally right if confronted with that?


Germans who hid Jews in their basements from the Nazis were breaking the laws. So, yes, there are times when it's morally wrong to follow the rules.




Well, some of those Germans were not sure how much longer the war was supposed to last, and food shortages were already a daily fact.

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But seriously, someone once said, "doing the right thing is never hard. However, KNOWING what the right thing to do is can be very hard."

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Fri 01/21/11 10:58 PM
looking even further back if you know anything about socrates he was the first public figure to point out morally right opposed to lawfully right.


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Fri 01/21/11 11:59 PM
I cant think of a law that I think goes against 'morals', so I cant think of a situation TODAY in which I would break the rules.

However, there have been historical context in which the laws of the land were not necessarily moral(for instance, the exampel given about hiding jews) , in those cases I wuold have to go with a higher authority and do what was right,, although I would be totally aware of the consequences if caught

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Sat 01/22/11 08:01 AM



'the right thing' is subjective...what's right for me may not be right for another and what's right for another may not be right for me

i break rules, always have, always will
just for the hell of it, rules are meant to be broken...


Ditto, could not have said it any better.....All I can say is it will not be the first times rules have been either broken or bent and will not be the last time....whoa


i try to break the rules here..but you send me moderator emails when i do... laugh :wink:

Ohhh hell ya love the attention:tongue: bigsmile :laughing: :laughing:

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Sat 01/22/11 08:10 AM
Ya lost me at "Moral"

motowndowntown's photo
Sat 01/22/11 08:38 AM

look up the milgram experiment.


Yes!

I wonder how all these "rule breakers" would actually behave in similar situations.

navygirl's photo
Sat 01/22/11 02:32 PM

I had an interesting question posed to me today, and I 'd like to hear how you would have answered:

Are there times when you have to break a rule or violate a policy in order to ethically or morally "do the right thing?"

And, would you? Would you break the rules to do what is morally right if confronted with that?


Well, I was taught in the military rules are put in place for guidelines only and at times it is warranted to break them. Sometimes common sense takes place over rules.

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Sat 01/22/11 03:07 PM
Morals....

Common sense.....

You girls sure are asking alot!!!!

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Sat 01/22/11 03:12 PM

Ya lost me at "Moral"


well are there times when you feel that you can't follow policy, or a rule because you would compromise what you feel is the correct course of action, or best course of action?

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Sat 01/22/11 03:19 PM
I think there are many laws that are immoral.

"You must pay taxes, but you have no direct input how the government spends it."

"You must pay taxes, but if you pay some more extra voluntarily, then you have a say in how the government spends your money. (think lobbyism.)"


"If you don't pay taxes, none at all, you still can sway history by voting for one or another representative in governemnt."

"You can't kill anyone, yet you must go overseas and kill many people at the pull of a trigger, without any questions."

"You can't park your car at the curb between 4 and 6 pm on weekdays."

"You are not allowed to manufacture clocks with backward-movement (counter-clockwise movement) of hands, and corresponding numbering of the face backwards, unless it's for a military operation in which the clock will be and can be viewed only through a mirror." ---- In other words, you, as an individual, are forced by law to give up your absolute inalianable right to turn back the hands of time to the government without further ado.

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Sat 01/22/11 03:25 PM


I had an interesting question posed to me today, and I 'd like to hear how you would have answered:

Are there times when you have to break a rule or violate a policy in order to ethically or morally "do the right thing?"

And, would you? Would you break the rules to do what is morally right if confronted with that?


Well, I was taught in the military rules are put in place for guidelines only and at times it is warranted to break them. Sometimes common sense takes place over rules.


This sounds reasonable. However, I suggest that a more basic underlying overrule be adopted: When in doubt, shoot the enemy.

In battle you often don't have the very time needed to come to a well-reasoned decision. A quickness of the mind is not helpful, because quick is not quick enough, very often. Bullets travel faster than quickness of mind, whatever it is that travels inside the mind, from one place to another.

This is why they give guns to soldiers, I figure. If they could get away with no impromptu solutions by the soldiers, and the generals could win wars on the principle of complete obedience along the lines of command, then the United States armed forces personnel would consist of 1 General, and nobody else, but a well-designed system of controlling robotic soldiers, who don't feel fatigue, who don't rape the enemy's girls, who don't complain about the PA music at camp, who are not afraid of dying, (since they can't, anyway), who are better shots than any human, who can even shoot chocolate bullets and fresh-water bullets in precision to allied forces,etc. etc. etc.

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Sat 01/22/11 11:27 PM



I had an interesting question posed to me today, and I 'd like to hear how you would have answered:

Are there times when you have to break a rule or violate a policy in order to ethically or morally "do the right thing?"

And, would you? Would you break the rules to do what is morally right if confronted with that?


Well, I was taught in the military rules are put in place for guidelines only and at times it is warranted to break them. Sometimes common sense takes place over rules.


This sounds reasonable. However, I suggest that a more basic underlying overrule be adopted: When in doubt, shoot the enemy.

In battle you often don't have the very time needed to come to a well-reasoned decision. A quickness of the mind is not helpful, because quick is not quick enough, very often. Bullets travel faster than quickness of mind, whatever it is that travels inside the mind, from one place to another.



This is so true. This is why we train to work long hours under pressure. When soliders hesitate even for a second in combat, that could cost them their life. I broke a few rules over the years as I knew lives would be lost. In each case; my senior NCOs agreed with my decision so I was not punished for disobeying orders.

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Sun 01/23/11 07:50 AM
Generally we are conditioned to follow the rules, but everyone breaks them at one time or another. It also depends on your upbringing, personality, and circumstances. If you are the type of person who questions where the rules came from and how they apply to you, then you may be more likely to break more "rules". ...:angel:

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Sun 01/23/11 08:01 AM

looking even further back if you know anything about socrates he was the first public figure to point out morally right opposed to lawfully right.




yes. very nice. the rules are one dimensional. they are usually created to provide a solution to a incident or a set of criteria, but they can't possibly account for all of the possibilities in the human condition.

So the rules are there as a framework but they can't cover all the bases

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