I need to address this one more time so that I can be CLEAR to you.

It's absurd to even question the divinity of Jesus whilst simultaneously clinging to a solid belief that the Bible is the word of God.

So to even pretend to address the question that Jesus might not have been God would indeed be a pretense if a person is maintaining that the Bible is the "Word of God".

The Bible claims that a voice from heaven spoke and said, "This is my beloved son in whom I'm well pleased".

Well, sheesh! If you're going to believe that, then what sense does it make to pretend that you're going to honestly consider the question of whether or not Jesus was the Son of God?

This is where people like you and C.S. Lewis show your biased prejudice for a conclusion that the Bible is the WORD OF GOD.

You aren't even capable of seriously challenging that thought.

the bible is supposedly the true word of God and when God spoke he let you know that he was God... but Jesus didn't speak in truth to the masses he spoke in parables because he felt that they would not understand his message anyway ......but the fact that Jesus spoke in parables to those that he believed wouldn't understand him and didn't speak in parables to those that he felt that would understand him then that is how his talking in parables can be used to see if he truely ever claimed to be God

so the question becomes...since Jesus refrain from using parables to speak to his disciples...is there any passage in the bible when Jesus clearly tell his disciples that he was God

i'm still wondering why god didn't give adam the 10 commandments instead of moses,just a thought

cain might have not killed able

Well Adam and Eve ate the fruit from the tree of the knowledge good and evil, therefore they would already know that killing is evil.

Of course, so would the people who were supposedly being given the Ten Commandments!

In fact, if the result of having eaten the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil has supposedly given mankind that knowledge, then why would we need any commandments?

Just yet another contradiction to add to the list.

In fact, is there anything in the Bible that isn't a contradiction?

I'm starting to think there isn't.

every copy is doing nothing but wasting away the rain forest

seriously though i just think the 10 commandments are common sense and dictatorship,and what i find even amusing is that people respect and follow some cause of what a book "tells them to" really can't people just live without the fear?


save a christian,ride an atheist

People continuously refer to some fear. This I do not understand. There is no fear. We worship and obey out of LOVE, not fear. With the father there is nothing to fear.

Why would I fear our father? What is there to fear in the first place? There is nothing to fear about our father. For if we wish to go to heaven, we're merely have to follow the directions to the paradise. If you wish to get from point A to point B do you not have to follow the instructions? Do you follow the instructions out of fear of not finding the store? No, you follow the instructions so that you know how to get there.

Do what? Where is the contradiction? Adam and Eve were given rules, which are not included in the bible for there is no documented proof of them nor are they relative to us not living in the garden so it would be pointless to inform us of the rules that applies to Adam and Eve. And thus those rules would be their commandments.

Mankind's punishment for sinning eg., eating of the tree was loosing paradise. Mankind's punishment to this day for sinning is loosing paradise.

Again, where is the contradiction? They get kicked out of the paradise for their disobedience and we're rejected paradise for our disobedience... hmmm sounds similar to me.

Rules, Commandments, Laws, etc. That's the contradiction!

The basic premise of the whole story is that mankind (represented by Adam and Eve), ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Well, DUH!

If mankind now has an innate knowledge of good and evil because we ate the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then it would be a gross contradiction to suggest that we need any book of rules, commandments, or laws.

We're supposed to already have knowledge of good and evil!

So the whole entire fable is nothing but one HUGE contradiction!

No it's no contradiction, you're seeking but failing in your search. A child, a child knows not what he is to do. He does not know what is good and what is bad. He needs to be taught as such. Adam and Eve knew not what was good or evil just as a child. They ate of the fruit and gained that knowledge just as we teach our children the difference between good and evil.

Before they at of the tree, there was no book of rules, commandments, or laws. Only by word of mouth straight from our father.

So no, we don't ALREADY have the knowledge of good and evil when we are born. We are taught this through our lives. If one does not know of evil, one does no evil.

Stealing = evil, one would not think of stealing something if they knew not of evil. They would ask for it or work to get one as such.

Lying = evil, one would not lie for they would not have anything to lie about if they had not done something evil. There is nothing to lie about when you're speaking of doing good. Does not accomplish anything if one lies about not doing a good thing when in fact they did just as that.

That can't work.

If Adam and Eve knew not the difference between good or evil, in the way you suggest, prior to eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then they could not have known to disobey God and eat from this tree would have been an evil act.

If that were the case then God would not be righteous in holding them responsible for their disobedience.

This would be like a mortal adult beating a little tiny baby because the baby isn't obeying them because it doesn't yet understand.

You can't have an unrighteous God like that.

Therefore, in order for Adam and Eve to have been "guilty" of their fall from grace they would have had to have already possessed the kind of knowledge that you are speaking of.

What they would have gained from having eaten from the tree would have been precisely what the Bible says, the actual knowledge of good and evil. In fact, after they ate from the tree they suddenly knew that they were naked and that it was wrong and they were ashamed. So clearly this fable is suggesting that an actual knowledge of what's good and evil was bestowed upon them by eating from the fruit of this tree.

But as I say, then this flies in the face of the following stories which are all about God trying to explain to people what's good and what's evil.

So the whole thing is in blatant contradiction with itself.

If the story of Adam and Eve were true, then there wouldn't be any need for God to write down any commandments or explain any laws. All he would need to do is say, "Look, you people ate from the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil, now you know what's good and what's evil. I don't need to tell you. Just behave yourself and do what you know is right."

And that would have been the end of the story right there.

The fable is in blatant contradiction with itself because even though Adam and Eve supposedly gained the knowledge of good and evil, the whole rest of the story assumes that people don't know the difference and need to have rules, laws, and commandments to teach them these things.

So the whole fable is absurd from the very get go.

Weather Adam and Eve knew the difference between good and evil is irrelevant, for they were told not to do it. Doesn't matter why they were told not to do it, bottom line is they were told not to do it.

And that is where we're at now. God has told us not to do certain things and to do certain things. Funny thing is, we know what is good and what is evil, yet people still do evil things.

jesus said, "what you have done unto the least of these, you have done as unto me"...

the same as to say, the least of these is EQUAL, OR THE SAME AS JESUS.

and jesus said, "the greatest commandment of these, is to love thy neighbor as thyself"...

the same as to say, LOVE THY NEIGHBOR, NOT ME "JESUS"...

and jesus said, "no greater love hath one than that which lay down it's life for a friend"...

the same as to say, IT IS NOT LOVE OF GOD TO LAY DOWN ONE'S LIFE TO GAIN ETERNAL LIFE OR REWARD FOR ONESELF...

and jesus said, "if thou givest seeking a reward, ye shall recieve a curse"...

the same as to say, to give one's life to "god", seeking a reward or good for self, and one shall recieve a curse.

and jesus said, "that which seeks to save it's life, shall lose it, but that which seeks to lay down it's life for A FRIEND, shall gain it"...

the same as to say, that which seeks "god" for SELF AGENDA, and to profit itself or spare itself, shall find the opposite for itself, lol...

funny how the "cursed" do spew the supposed good of their own curse...

for only what trick itself trying to get to "heaven" for ITSELF, obey the temptation SATAN, OF "DIRECTIONS" FOR HOW TO GET GOOD FOR SELF...

for indeed, there is no commandment except to the smallest brain in the cosmos, that which but seeks SELF GOOD FOR SELF FROM "GOD".

there be no smaller pea size brain, than that which deems it's own ONE BRAIN, SPEAKS THE TRUTH FOR AND OF ALL CIVILIZATION.

and so these as the demons of society, do follow their master satan, LUCIFER, who deemed ITSELF, knew the ONLY TRUTH OF GOD ITSELF, therefore deeming itself as EQUAL TO GOD, and so, guilty of blaspheme, these were cast away from "god"...

and so, the angels of god came forth, and poured out viles of wrath upon the self declared speaker's of god, whom deemed their lips and brain worthy to SPEAK FOR "GOD"...

and they wept and moaned, seeing their own lust for good for self, had decieved them, into accepting the mark of the beast, and these were lowered into the lake of everlasting fire, and the athiests offered brews unto the ignorant to cool the flames.

Ok I am done with your foolish games David, you've gained nothing but showing how immature you are. When you're all grown up and wish to have a civilized conversation please come back.

jesus said, "what you have done unto the least of these, you have done as unto me"...

the same as to say, the least of these is EQUAL, OR THE SAME AS JESUS.

and jesus said, "the greatest commandment of these, is to love thy neighbor as thyself"...

the same as to say, LOVE THY NEIGHBOR, NOT ME "JESUS"...

and jesus said, "no greater love hath one than that which lay down it's life for a friend"...

the same as to say, IT IS NOT LOVE OF GOD TO LAY DOWN ONE'S LIFE TO GAIN ETERNAL LIFE OR REWARD FOR ONESELF...

and jesus said, "if thou givest seeking a reward, ye shall recieve a curse"...

the same as to say, to give one's life to "god", seeking a reward or good for self, and one shall recieve a curse.

and jesus said, "that which seeks to save it's life, shall lose it, but that which seeks to lay down it's life for A FRIEND, shall gain it"...

the same as to say, that which seeks "god" for SELF AGENDA, and to profit itself or spare itself, shall find the opposite for itself, lol...

funny how the "cursed" do spew the supposed good of their own curse...

for only what trick itself trying to get to "heaven" for ITSELF, obey the temptation SATAN, OF "DIRECTIONS" FOR HOW TO GET GOOD FOR SELF...

for indeed, there is no commandment except to the smallest brain in the cosmos, that which but seeks SELF GOOD FOR SELF FROM "GOD".

there be no smaller pea size brain, than that which deems it's own ONE BRAIN, SPEAKS THE TRUTH FOR AND OF ALL CIVILIZATION.

and so these as the demons of society, do follow their master satan, LUCIFER, who deemed ITSELF, knew the ONLY TRUTH OF GOD ITSELF, therefore deeming itself as EQUAL TO GOD, and so, guilty of blaspheme, these were cast away from "god"...

and so, the angels of god came forth, and poured out viles of wrath upon the self declared speaker's of god, whom deemed their lips and brain worthy to SPEAK FOR "GOD"...

and they wept and moaned, seeing their own lust for good for self, had decieved them, into accepting the mark of the beast, and these were lowered into the lake of everlasting fire, and the athiests offered brews unto the ignorant to cool the flames

It makes all the difference in the world. Clearly you aren't comprehending the problem.

If Adam and Eve did not know that it was wrong to disobey God, then they could not be held 'guilty' for having done something wrong by "obeying" his directives.

In fact, they could not have even grasped the concept of 'obedience' without understanding that it is 'wrong' to disobey.

So to even understand the concept of 'obedience' they would have already had to have a knowledge of Good and Evil prior to having gained that knowledge of Good and Evil from having eaten from the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil

I understand that this is way over your head Cowboy, but it's a serious conflict. I'll try to explain again.

The problem goes as follows.

If Adam and Eve did not understand that it is evil to disobey God, then they could not have been held responsible for having knowingly chosen to do evil when they had no clue what evil even means.

On the other hand, if they already possessed that "sense" of good and evil, THEN the knowledge of Good and Evil that would be gained from eating the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil could not mean what you claim. It could have only been the actual knowledge of precisely what is Good and what is Evil.

So this is a very serious problem. And one that cannot be resolved.

Because there can only be two cases:

1. The knowledge of Good and Evil means to be able to comprehend right from wrong.

OR

2. The knowledge of Good and Evil means to know precisely what actions are good and what actions are evil.

Well, #1 can't be true. Because if #1 were true then Adam and Eve could not be held responsible for having 'fallen from grace' when they could not have known any better until after they had eaten the fruit. They could not have know that it was WRONG to disobey God if that's what knowledge of Good and Evil means.

Thus it would be unrighteous of God to have blamed those poor innocent babes for not understanding that it was wrong to disobey him And thus the whole fable instantly falls apart.

However, if #2 it true, then the whole rest of the Bible is nonsense because it's just a bunch of rules and laws that would clearly not be required if Adam and Eve had been truly given the knowledge of what's good and what's evil. They would just innately know.

Thus the whole rest of the Bible that is supposedly a God attempting to communicate to humans his commandments of what's good and evil is a blatant contradiction to the tale of Adam and Eve.

So it FAILS in BOTH CASES. Neither case helps the story.

In the first case it, would be unrighteous of God to blame humankind for a 'fall from grace' that they could not have possibly understood was wrong at the time.

In the second case, it would be utterly absurd for God to be writing up all these commandments when mankind supposedly already has the knowledge of what's Good and Evil.

So in BOTH CASES the fable falls flat on its face. There is no workable solution that doesn't end in a paradoxical contradiction.

Therefore the story has been exposed as just a poorly made up fib.

Pea soup and marshmallows shall you eat for eternity??? LOL!

for any child of god deem what god give as good, whether it be pea soup or marshmellows...

does oneself think it too good but to have pea soup and marshmellow to dine on?

for such many a starving would be grateful for...

but the cowardly speaker of "god", whom demand the earth should bow unto them, know no gratitude.

eternity?

such be a spell of things ye know not of...

something more beneficial as everlasting for the demanding mortal be in order...

hum...

i shall demand you bow unto me, as everlasting, as you have demanded all other's bow unto you and your belief, and then when i say you may rise, then you may rise.

lol...

until then, low to the ground shall it be.

as is fitting for what demand itself be a king of god.

sucking in dust upon the ground as a serpent that crawl on it's belly, shall be the remedy for the self apointed holy, that thought they could dictate the FREE WILL of other mortals that were equal to themself.