Here's the lord telling us of the prophecy of the new covenant in the old testament.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 (King James Version)

31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

You will not find a single verse anywhere in the bible where God or Jesus accepts sin.They reject it always.

People can hear voices,dream,and have visions that God told them this and that but the fact is that the bible is Gods word and the bible is very clear what sin is and how we should live.If people do believe God is talking to him then they should reference the bible to see if what they heard is from God or is from Satan.

Christian homosexuals can and do run churches and bring people to Christ.However people are not coming to homosexuals to learn about homosexuality they are coming to learn about Christ and the bible.If homosexuals claim what they are doing is not wrong they are liars despite who or what position the hold in the church.It is wrong for homosexuals and others who lie to new Christians about what is considered good and bad in the bible and they should not be setting a bad example by telling new Christians they can sin as much as they want and feel good about it.


I don't know how many homosexuals have converted to Christianity over the years and lead a straight life and get married but it is no small number.There is many websites with thousands of ex gays giving testimony.


Everything you do in your life is your choice.Nobody is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to do anything.You can end or start anything anytime you want.The choice is yours.

And here's the prophecies from the old testament fullfilled through Jesus in the New testament.

* He was the "seed of a woman" -- prophecy: Genesis 3:15 and fulfilled: Galatians 4:4.

* He was a descendent of Abraham -- prophecy: Genesis 12:3 and fulfilled Matthew 1:1.

* He was from the tribe of Judah – prophecy: Genesis 49:10 and fulfilled: Luke 3:33.

* He was the heir to the throne of David – prophecy: Isaiah 9:7 and fulfilled Luke 1:32-33.

* His birth place in Bethlehem – prophecy: Micah 5:2 and fulfilled: John 1:2, Luke 2:4-5, 7.

* Born of a virgin – prophecy: Isaiah 7:14 and fulfilled: Luke 1:26-27, 30-31.

On the other hand - If people are going to believe that the bible has some value, wouldn't it be better if they believed the bible was only a collection of intermitant historical refernce and some bad and good morality stories about good citizenship?

Wouldn't it be better to accept that faith and beliefs come from within for the benefit of the individual and not from a book to be dictated to all?

Thats great until you die and go to Hell.The bible is all about the after life.


I think all you have to do is look at countries where Christianity is banned to see what kind of life you speak of.

Very true. I thought he was referring to the person then turning away from homosexuality when he found his life long partner. I had not realized it was meaning he remained homosexual and ran the church.

Thomas, you edited out two passages from your posts here after I quoted them.

This is not nice.

If you can't fight fair, then Jesus will crush you like a coooockroach. Even if you deceive and lie to prove his side. He can abide with this? Seriously. Don't talk big. Talk honest, and stand by what you say. If you can't stand by it, don't say it in the first place. I have no respect for you.

Really. And you want to be taken seriously. Remember, you are arguing on the side of Jesus, you are arguing on trying to make it believable, honestly, and morally and ethically. Jesus taught you to be ethical?

You are not responsible to me to be ethical. I don't know your name, your address, I can't sue you for being so under-handed anyway. But you can't hide from the wrath of God for lying to all these poeple, witnessed by all.

Of course I can't prove it now that you took those out. How could I? but I have two or three witnesses who saw you do this, and one of them maybe willing to testify.

Not in front of a court of law. But in front of the community.

And there is another court where you have to account for lies, and which recognises witnesses, but has no use for them, for it already knows the truth.

Why do you do things like this, man??

The bible is merely a pathway. It is a pathway/instructions to return home with our father. It has history of previously done sinful actions showing us what comes of it so that it will give us more incentive not to do as such.

You missed the point (he took a "life-partner" in a homosexual relationship)he was obviously doing the work of God which he could not have done had he stayed under the oppression of those who thought he was deviant, sinful, and an abomination to God.

Who in that case would have been the greater abomination - those who interpreted the bible and used that interpretation to oppress another or the homosexual who refused to accept that interpretation and chose instead to follow the spirit from within to end up joining with a same-sex partner and together serving the needs of a poor community?

Very good - thank-you for finding and "quoting" these, but would be so good as to explain what you think these mean - in our own words?

I misunderstood your original statement when I replied. I was under the impression the spouse he took wasn't of the same gender. This was NOT the works of the father, for God states plainly that homosexuality is sinful and we are not to do as such, so no he was not OBVIOUSLY doing the work of God. It is sinful and an abomination, God specifically tells us for man not to lay with man as he would a woman.

I dont know what you claim I edited.I only have one judge and jury and that is God himself.If you claim what I am saying in ungodly,unholy,and against Jesus Christ then it should be easy for you to put me in my place.

I do things like this man because there is a lot of people who come here debating if they should become Christians and hear nothing but a bunch of garbage and lies from Atheist.I provide them with the truth not lies.

Thank-you for providing an example of one who follows and worships the letter of the law.

31. I will come to make a new covenant with Isreal and the house of Judah.
32. It will be different then the one I had with your fathers when I brought them out of the land of Egypt which they didn't follow.
33. And this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Isreal and I will put the law in their conscience and hearts. I will be their God and they will be my people.
34. They will not have to teach one another about me for they will know me and I will forgive them of their iniquity and I will forget the sinful things they have done.
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I briefed them up kinda. But the main message from the passages are there.

AMEN!!

This I quoted from one of your posts, directly, with cut-and-paste:


"So there is really no reason to bring this Jesus person into the picture"

You said this in one of your posts, and now it can be found in none of your posts.

Deny you edited it out, and I will never talk to you again.

He's not doing the work of God.It's like a priest saying I can have a prostitute on the weekend because I saved 20 people in church last Sunday.

When I lived in Seattle it was second in homosexuals only to San Francisco.75% of the people that lived there was Atheist.You had to be tough as nails to claim you were a Christian in that town.I watched churches 90 to 100 years old accept the homosexual movement in gay friendly parts of town.Pastors were giving sermons saying God loves everyone gay or not.Those churches which strived for nearly a 100 years were not only closed but demolished(a real rarity).Funny how those other churches just blocks away that did not accept homosexuality did just fine.

I would say the person who did the greater abomination would be the one who knows what the bible says about homosexuality and not only ignores it but promotes and calls it good.Much like a tree that grown it starts with one person and branches off to the people who follow.


Christians are not oppressing anyone.Nobody in this country has to deal with dealing with biblical judgment as a crime for anything.Homosexuals can be homosexuals in any town in America with out any worry at all about committing any crimes dealing with Christianity.Christians living in that town may not like but who cares?Nothing is forcing you to live there and nobody is going to be waiting inside your house with a bible and the police outside.What you do in your house is your own business and the Christians can't do a thing about it.


If a homosexual wants to keep his homosexual life private and lead others to Christ than that is another story.For all those who follow this person he is just like any other Christian.He isn't promoting homosexuality or calling it good.It is just his sin to deal with much like the millions of Christians who go to church only to go out and get drunk and go whoring.

Hopefully what they will realize what they are doing wrong and lead a better life as there will be a judgment day and prices to pay in this life and the next.

I was saying that as a point of view from the Jewish people of that time and this is true to this day.Jewish people do not believe in Jesus Christ despite the Old testament prophecy.

But the point is that if you were a Jew that rejected Jesus you certainly wouldn't start a new religion telling other Jews to worship him.You would prevent that from ever starting.

That which you just spake of is not the issue. The issue is that I quoted you and you simply deleted he words of your own from your post which I later quoted, and you did this deletion after I posted the quote.

This is what I find unacceptable. You can have your opinion, your faith, your whatever, but in a discussion you can't delete your own words much later after you have said it first.

??? why would building a church and outreach have anything to do with sexual choices,, did not Jesus do all these things without a need for a sexual mate?