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They are all benign in their own minds but malignant to themselves and others when allowed to grow.
I speak of Islam and Christianity here. |
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They are all benign in their own minds but malignant to themselves and others when allowed to grow. I speak of Islam and Christianity here. i think of them all like that... except Buddhists |
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They are all benign in their own minds but malignant to themselves and others when allowed to grow. I speak of Islam and Christianity here. i think of them all like that... except Buddhists I don't really consider Buddhism a religion in my mind. It is a way of life. Wicca is also not so power hungry and discriminating. |
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One word...
Hypocrites! |
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there are enough peaceful and non peaceful examples in any religious book for individuals to choose a side
nature and nurture have alot to do with who will choose peace and who will not |
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They are all benign in their own minds but malignant to themselves and others when allowed to grow. I speak of Islam and Christianity here. i think of them all like that... except Buddhists Actually, reading deeper into their history is interesting. They were big into genocidal acts and their treatment and views on women wasn't any better the the Judeo-Christian-Islamic faiths either. :-( |
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the quran attempts to answer the $64,000 question that have cause christians to form many different sects of Christianity.... (Is Jesus God?)..according to the Quran Jesus was a prophet a messenger of God and not the son of God or God which sort of push Christianity back into the guide lines of judaism ...er..somewhat
the quran also attempt to explain what happen to Jesus before and after the crucifixion or if Jesus was even crucified ...the phrase "My God, My God, why hath thou forsaken me" never did make sense why Jesus would ask that of God but the Quran explains this by making reference that perhaps it wasn't Jesus that said it because it wasn't Jesus on the cross...it was someone else the New Testamment also contradicts itself pertaining to death and Heaven, there are claims that no physical bodies are in Heaven or can enter Heaven but yet it can be said that in both Christianity and Islam that Jesus went to Heaven in his physical body, the Quran attempts to explain this but the explanation seem just as absurd as The Christian explanation ....that a physical body is in Heaven contradicts Christian belief but yet the fact that Jesus left no physical body behind would bind such a belief to Islam this is why just as Christians claim that Jesus came to full fill the Old Testament then couldn't it be said that Muhammand came to full fill the New Testament which is why the Quran could be considered by some Christians to be the missing part of the bible |
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Jesus was a Jew. His followers became Christians because they followed him, early Christians were barely different from Jews and the differences came over time.
Muslims have a similar route though they followed a different prophet and they came after Christ. All three follow the Abrahamic god. The Quran even calls Jews and Christians brothers in faith. The Quran has many of the stories of the Bible, including stories of Jesus, and they believe in Armageddon with Jesus coming back and throwing up swords. All three are classified under Abrahamic followers of the Judeo-Christian God. Yes, they are connected. Didn't know this was contention. |
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Jesus was a Jew. His followers became Christians because they followed him, early Christians were barely different from Jews and the differences came over time. Muslims have a similar route though they followed a different prophet and they came after Christ. All three follow the Abrahamic god. The Quran even calls Jews and Christians brothers in faith. The Quran has many of the stories of the Bible, including stories of Jesus, and they believe in Armageddon with Jesus coming back and throwing up swords. All three are classified under Abrahamic followers of the Judeo-Christian God. Yes, they are connected. Didn't know this was contention. Surely the only people who would contest it are people who are totally uneducated about religion. I can't imagine any truly educated clergy questioning this. But I do know that a lot of people are indeed ignorant of religions. They have grown to believe in their religion and that all other religions are 'different'. Although, surely Christians are aware that Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism. A person would need to be truly be in the dark not to realize that connection. The connection with Islam is probably the connection that many Christians might be unaware of, or in denial of. |
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Jesus was a Jew. His followers became Christians because they followed him, early Christians were barely different from Jews and the differences came over time. Muslims have a similar route though they followed a different prophet and they came after Christ. All three follow the Abrahamic god. The Quran even calls Jews and Christians brothers in faith. The Quran has many of the stories of the Bible, including stories of Jesus, and they believe in Armageddon with Jesus coming back and throwing up swords. All three are classified under Abrahamic followers of the Judeo-Christian God. Yes, they are connected. Didn't know this was contention. Surely the only people who would contest it are people who are totally uneducated about religion. I can't imagine any truly educated clergy questioning this. But I do know that a lot of people are indeed ignorant of religions. They have grown to believe in their religion and that all other religions are 'different'. Although, surely Christians are aware that Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism. A person would need to be truly be in the dark not to realize that connection. The connection with Islam is probably the connection that many Christians might be unaware of, or in denial of. The difference and the reason Christianity is separate from Jews is for the simple fact that Jews do not see Jesus as being the messiah promised in the old testament. Therefore they do not believe the old testament has been fulfilled, therefore they do not give credit to the new testament. |
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Jesus was a Jew. His followers became Christians because they followed him, early Christians were barely different from Jews and the differences came over time. Muslims have a similar route though they followed a different prophet and they came after Christ. All three follow the Abrahamic god. The Quran even calls Jews and Christians brothers in faith. The Quran has many of the stories of the Bible, including stories of Jesus, and they believe in Armageddon with Jesus coming back and throwing up swords. All three are classified under Abrahamic followers of the Judeo-Christian God. Yes, they are connected. Didn't know this was contention. Surely the only people who would contest it are people who are totally uneducated about religion. I can't imagine any truly educated clergy questioning this. But I do know that a lot of people are indeed ignorant of religions. They have grown to believe in their religion and that all other religions are 'different'. Although, surely Christians are aware that Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism. A person would need to be truly be in the dark not to realize that connection. The connection with Islam is probably the connection that many Christians might be unaware of, or in denial of. Wow you are saying people are uneducated about religion yet you are prime example of your own ignorance.Christians can't possible have any connection with Islam since it was founded 610 years after Jesus died and at least 500 years since the New testament was written.  Islam has Zero to do with the Old testament and Zero to do with the New testament.
Of course Christianity has,is and will always be part of Judaism.If you are a Christian you believe in everything in the Old testament the same as the Jews did.God wanted Jews to evolve to the next level with Jesus.That is why Jesus was prophesied in the Old testament.To ignore or deny everything written in the Old testament about Jesus is just plain stupid.It is probably that reason why you only have a few million Jews in this world and over 3 billion Christians. If anyone is lacking knowledge about religion it is you.It seems you have read so much into everyones religion you have a hard time realizing even the most basic concepts. |
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BORING!!!
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Difference between Christianity today an Muslim today.
Christians don't kill non-believers. Muslims do. People make fun of Jesus Christ and make caricatures. If there's a sin about it, they will be dealt with in the afterlife. Make fun or characterize Mohamed, Muslims will kill you now. If homosex is an abomination, the homosex offender will be judged after death. Muslims retain the right to kill homosex offenders now. |
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Very very true. Christianity is about love. Killing someone for believing differently is NOT love. Trying to show someone the light by nicely and lovingly spreading the word IS love. Christians spread christianity by showing them love and the great things in life. Well there you go. The Old Testament God most certainly did teach people to seek out and kill heathens. So the Christian God is the same God. If Jesus taught differently, then he most certainly was refuting the teachings of the Old Testament, as I have constantly been pointing out. The main reason that many Christians like the teachings of Jesus so much is the very fact that Jesus taught against the nasty things that were so popular in the Old Testament. Therefore this Jesus could not have been the "Only Begotten Son" of the God of the Old Testament because he blasphemed against those very teachings. In fact, it was those very teachings from the Old Testament God that got Jesus crucified! Christianity is a schizophrenic religion. It worships two entirely conflicting Gods. It claims to worship the God of the Old Testament as the "Father" yet the Christians renounce the teachings and mannerisms of that God, and instead they place Jesus BEFORE the God of Abraham and use Jesus to renounce the teachings of the God of Abraham. Except in cases such as bigotry against gays when the Old Testament comes in handy to support their ugly bigotry. Christians place Jesus BEFORE the God of Abraham and use him to override the teachings of the God of Abraham when they feel that is convenient, or they use the God of Abraham to override the teachings of Jesus when they feel that is convenient. It's a hypocritical two-faced religion. Jesus supposedly has no clout of his own. The only thing that supposedly gives him any clout at all is the idea that he's supposed to be the only begotten son of this God they HATE. Isn't that a oxymoron right there? Jesus is supposed to be the sacrificial lamb of this horrible God that everyone hates, even the Christians themselves. They are so in love with Jesus that they have placed Jesus BEFORE the God of Abraham and pretend that Jesus overrides the God of Abraham. Yet, now they pretend that their original Father God never taught us to murder heathens. But it's clearly in the scriptures, the Old Testament God directed us to seek out and murder heathens! In fact, it was this very directive that was being followed when Jesus himself was crucified for blaspheme! Blaspheme that was clearly genuine! Even now, Christians are attempting to claim that Jesus preached love and not to murder heathens, but clearly the FATHER DID teach us to murder heathens. So clearly the Christians love Jesus but hate the Father. 
Jesus had to have been a Mahayana Buddhist who taught the love of Buddha. Jesus couldn't have had anything at all to do with the fictitious God of the Old Testament. Jesus did indeed teach unconditional love and forgiveness. But the God of the Old Testament did not! Jesus cannot possibly be the son of the God of the Old Testament. Jesus didn't even agree with the teachings of that false God. The Christians need to wake-up and realize that they've been duped. Not by Jesus, but by the authors of the New Testament! Jesus taught against the teachings of the Old Testament, he didn't support those ideals. He was not the Son of Yahweh and never even claimed to be! The New Testament is a false representation of Jesus that only adds insult to injury. The authors of the New Testament are the same people who had Jesus nailed to the pole! They physically had him nailed to the pole, and then later they wrote the gospels that nailed to him to the Old Testament God in an attempt to support the very teachings that Jesus himself rejected! Jesus rejected the teachings of the Old Testament, he didn't embrace them. Jesus was a VICTIM of Christianity. The sooner people start to realize this the better. Jesus had nothing to do with the Old Testament God. Jesus was teaching the love of Buddhism and Pantheism, not the Bigotry of the Old Testament God of Abraham. Does the phrase "pearls before swine" ring a bell? |
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Christians try to take the high road now but they were no different in recent times. Death to all heathens and heretics. They massacred countless people throughout their history and now faced with the same concepts that they practiced all this time they want to call it evil.
They are the same. Technical differences and Christianity has learned you can burn more bees with honey than vinegar and Islam hasn't learned this concept yet. They are a little behind the times. Don't forget the other obvious difference. Christians of old didn't have bombs and machineguns. Think of how much damage they could've done if they did. |
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Christians try to take the high road now but they were no different in recent times. Death to all heathens and heretics. They massacred countless people throughout their history and now faced with the same concepts that they practiced all this time they want to call it evil.
They are the same. Technical differences and Christianity has learned you can burn more bees with honey than vinegar and Islam hasn't learned this concept yet. They are a little behind the times. Again it was NOT murdering. The only reward for sin is death. They brought that upon themselves with disobeying our father. Murder is unlawfully killing someone. Being sentenced to death because of wrong doings isn't unlawful. you kinda sound like the muslims... they kill people for what they think are sins... They flat out murder the people without even knowing them or their backgrounds. Heck the people they murder sometimes even could be muslim themselves....... could be a total saint, but they don't know this for that's not their purpose behind the things they do. i think that's what dragoness was referring too... The crusades were a reaction to the Muslims killing,conquering,and destroying the Christians everywhere they went.The crusades were never started for the sole purpose of starting a War with the world and to kill everyone.The crusades were started because it was either fight back or be destroyed by the Muslims.Of course I don't expect any Atheist or anti Christian person on this planet to actually read or do some research on the crusades because I know that is asking a lot. In any case I really don't know why we have to keep going back hundreds or thousands of years and act like this is somehow relevant to our way of life and our way of justice.Should we also talk about how England still uses torture devices on prisoners to get confessions?Maybe we can spend a day talking about all the forms of justice that was used by all forms of religion and all the countries around the world 2000 years ago and tell all those countries that they are all bad because of their justice system 2,000 years ago and should be punished today.It's a bunch of nonsense.Why Christianity is the exception to this rule I have no idea. The more I debate some of you people the more pointless it is.We have issues concerning Islam that is happening right now all over the world.We have people being stoned in the name of Islam,people being blown to pieces in the name of Islam,people having their heads cut off in the name of Islam and what do I keep hearing?Christianity is the problem because of what they did 3,000 years ago when the Egyptians were building the pyramids.The whole world could be in chaos and on fire because of Islam and you people would be debating Christianity which is no threat to anyone anywhere in the world no matter who you are. Get real people.You think Christianity is bad then show me some proof.Show me someone who was stoned in the last 2,000 years in the name of Christianity.Show me suicide bombings on a daily basis.Show me beheadings,threats to other countries,beatings,and honor killings.You can't because they don't exist. Are you really that ignorant of history in specific and reality in general or are you just f'ing with us? |
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Wow you are saying people are uneducated about religion yet you are prime example of your own ignorance.Christians can't possible have any connection with Islam since it was founded 610 years after Jesus died and at least 500 years since the New testament was written. Islam has Zero to do with the Old testament and Zero to do with the New testament.
Of course Christianity has,is and will always be part of Judaism.If you are a Christian you believe in everything in the Old testament the same as the Jews did.God wanted Jews to evolve to the next level with Jesus.That is why Jesus was prophesied in the Old testament.To ignore or deny everything written in the Old testament about Jesus is just plain stupid.It is probably that reason why you only have a few million Jews in this world and over 3 billion Christians. If anyone is lacking knowledge about religion it is you.It seems you have read so much into everyones religion you have a hard time realizing even the most basic concepts. Ask any scholar. Judaism, Islam, and Christianity are all Abrahamic religions. They are all based on the same fundamental myths and folklore. They all fundamentally worship the same God. Yes, you are absolutely correct that Christianity has broken off from the original myth to create an entirely new and different religion from the same original folklore. Just as Islam has. No one would argue with that. But that's the whole point. Judaism, Islam, Catholicism and the many protesting sects of Protestantism all create their own version of the myth. Are they different in that sense? Of course they are. But are they all founded on the same original myths of the God of Abraham. Absolutely! Therefore, they all claim to worship the same God, and they are all basically the same confused and convoluted religion. They just evolved to become highly distorted from the original lore. This insight should verify to everyone that it is extremely unlikely for the biblical myths have anything more to do with God than the Torah or the Quran. The idea that the Bible is the "infallible Word of God", is clearly a joke. It's just one fragment of a bunch of twisted fables and broken myths. The sooner people get over their denial about this and face the facts, the sooner the world can get back to some sense of sanity. This idea that some hippy who was crucified for disagreeing with the teachings of the Torah was some sort of demigod born of the union between the God of Abraham and a supposedly "sinless" mortal woman named Mary is silly. In fact, the very idea that Mary could have been "sinless" is silly since this bigoted religion demands that all mortal humans are sinners. And Jesus being the son of God could not have been born through a sinful vessel. This mythology is so convoluted and filled with extreme contradictions that it's clear that it can't have any more validity than the fables of Santa Claus. Get over it. Wake up and smell the roses. Quit worshiping a bunch of ancient male-chauvinist bigots. Realize that if there is a God She's far above these ancient myths. 
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Difference between Christianity today an Muslim today. Christians don't kill non-believers. Muslims do. People make fun of Jesus Christ and make caricatures. If there's a sin about it, they will be dealt with in the afterlife. Make fun or characterize Mohamed, Muslims will kill you now. If homosex is an abomination, the homosex offender will be judged after death. Muslims retain the right to kill homosex offenders now. Exactly, they follow the old testament. In old testament days we were judged on earth for our sins. But now Jesus offers salvation from your sins and offers eternal life through him. That's the main difference between old and new testament. Old testament people were judged on earth for their sins. Now that Jesus has walked the earth and offers salvation through him we will be judged by him after we leave this earth. |
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