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abuse and use are not the same one who has SEX, could be a husband or wife one who ABUSES sex could be a pimp or prostitute one who Eats is human one who ABUSES food is a glutton One who drinks wine is one thing one who ABUSES alcohol is quite another One drink is use..two is abuse. I guess it's easy to ignore the truth to defend one's own drug abuse. Funny, a person in our society who smokes a joint is considered a "dope head" but someone who drinks alcohol is considered "sociable"....LOLOLOL. It's a weird old goofy world. Thumpers lead the way...actually I met the sponsor of the anti-abortion bills here...I spent an hour explaining to him how we can reduce the demand for abortion. After I left? Nothing, nothing ever became of that notion....He'd rather spend his time restricting women's rights than to address the teen drinking epidemic that helps cause unwanted pregnancies...yup, he's an average Christian, so therefore not a very smart human being. “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.” Isaiah 28:7." |
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abuse and use are not the same one who has SEX, could be a husband or wife one who ABUSES sex could be a pimp or prostitute one who Eats is human one who ABUSES food is a glutton One who drinks wine is one thing one who ABUSES alcohol is quite another One drink is use..two is abuse. I guess it's easy to ignore the truth to defend one's own drug abuse. Funny, a person in our society who smokes a joint is considered a "dope head" but someone who drinks alcohol is considered "sociable"....LOLOLOL. It's a weird old goofy world. Thumpers lead the way...actually I met the sponsor of the anti-abortion bills here...I spent an hour explaining to him how we can reduce the demand for abortion. After I left? Nothing, nothing ever became of that notion....He'd rather spend his time restricting women's rights than to address the teen drinking epidemic that helps cause unwanted pregnancies...yup, he's an average Christian, so therefore not a very smart human being. “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.” Isaiah 28:7." Funny how all of the anti-Christian posts resort to name-calling. Now THAT shows how smart a human really is... |
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Edited by
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Then again perhaps a poster should debate the issues instead of feigning insult? I see very little here in regards to forming an opinion and then referencing to support that opinion.
Makes one wonder why they respond at all. Maybe some reply out of guilt so I say if the insult fits then... “Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean,” Judges 13:4. |
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abuse and use are not the same one who has SEX, could be a husband or wife one who ABUSES sex could be a pimp or prostitute one who Eats is human one who ABUSES food is a glutton One who drinks wine is one thing one who ABUSES alcohol is quite another One drink is use..two is abuse. I guess it's easy to ignore the truth to defend one's own drug abuse. Funny, a person in our society who smokes a joint is considered a "dope head" but someone who drinks alcohol is considered "sociable"....LOLOLOL. It's a weird old goofy world. Thumpers lead the way...actually I met the sponsor of the anti-abortion bills here...I spent an hour explaining to him how we can reduce the demand for abortion. After I left? Nothing, nothing ever became of that notion....He'd rather spend his time restricting women's rights than to address the teen drinking epidemic that helps cause unwanted pregnancies...yup, he's an average Christian, so therefore not a very smart human being. “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.” Isaiah 28:7." Funny how all of the anti-Christian posts resort to name-calling. Now THAT shows how smart a human really is... very true and i see it all the time. I've come to the conclusion that the athiest person that does that isn't exactly trying to open the person's eyes to what they think are true, but get them so frustrated the christian says something he shouldn't have or in a way he shouldn't have. Then the atheist can then use that against them as well. Basically the anti-christian is trying to get under the persons skin and cause error. |
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Then again perhaps a poster should debate the issues instead of feigning insult? I see very little here in regards to forming an opinion and then referencing to support that opinion. Makes one wonder why they respond at all. Maybe some reply out of guilt so I say if the insult fits then... “Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean,” Judges 13:4. You're right, there is very little in regards to forming an opinion. I see posters using other's opinions as a means to degrade and try to insult Christians. Perhaps if there were some original thoughts to discuss instead of the closed-minded ramblings of a non-Christian, discussions would progress past the point of name-calling and bigotry. The issue? Well for one, you have no authority to judge anyone, regardless of what the Bible says. Second, cut-n-paste posts show originality has died, is that the opinion you were looking for? |
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abuse and use are not the same one who has SEX, could be a husband or wife one who ABUSES sex could be a pimp or prostitute one who Eats is human one who ABUSES food is a glutton One who drinks wine is one thing one who ABUSES alcohol is quite another One drink is use..two is abuse. I guess it's easy to ignore the truth to defend one's own drug abuse. Funny, a person in our society who smokes a joint is considered a "dope head" but someone who drinks alcohol is considered "sociable"....LOLOLOL. It's a weird old goofy world. Thumpers lead the way...actually I met the sponsor of the anti-abortion bills here...I spent an hour explaining to him how we can reduce the demand for abortion. After I left? Nothing, nothing ever became of that notion....He'd rather spend his time restricting women's rights than to address the teen drinking epidemic that helps cause unwanted pregnancies...yup, he's an average Christian, so therefore not a very smart human being. “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.” Isaiah 28:7." two drinks is abuse? by whose standard, and in what chapter and verse? |
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abuse and use are not the same one who has SEX, could be a husband or wife one who ABUSES sex could be a pimp or prostitute one who Eats is human one who ABUSES food is a glutton One who drinks wine is one thing one who ABUSES alcohol is quite another One drink is use..two is abuse. I guess it's easy to ignore the truth to defend one's own drug abuse. Funny, a person in our society who smokes a joint is considered a "dope head" but someone who drinks alcohol is considered "sociable"....LOLOLOL. It's a weird old goofy world. Thumpers lead the way...actually I met the sponsor of the anti-abortion bills here...I spent an hour explaining to him how we can reduce the demand for abortion. After I left? Nothing, nothing ever became of that notion....He'd rather spend his time restricting women's rights than to address the teen drinking epidemic that helps cause unwanted pregnancies...yup, he's an average Christian, so therefore not a very smart human being. “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.” Isaiah 28:7." two drinks is abuse? by whose standard, and in what chapter and verse? Bible doesn't referance any particular number. It's getting drunk, *being a drunkard*. Some people can handle one beer not do anything to them, some can have one drink and be a bit tipsy. It's not about quantity, it's about staying in a sober mind. |
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abuse and use are not the same one who has SEX, could be a husband or wife one who ABUSES sex could be a pimp or prostitute one who Eats is human one who ABUSES food is a glutton One who drinks wine is one thing one who ABUSES alcohol is quite another One drink is use..two is abuse. I guess it's easy to ignore the truth to defend one's own drug abuse. Funny, a person in our society who smokes a joint is considered a "dope head" but someone who drinks alcohol is considered "sociable"....LOLOLOL. It's a weird old goofy world. Thumpers lead the way...actually I met the sponsor of the anti-abortion bills here...I spent an hour explaining to him how we can reduce the demand for abortion. After I left? Nothing, nothing ever became of that notion....He'd rather spend his time restricting women's rights than to address the teen drinking epidemic that helps cause unwanted pregnancies...yup, he's an average Christian, so therefore not a very smart human being. “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.” Isaiah 28:7." two drinks is abuse? by whose standard, and in what chapter and verse? Bible doesn't referance any particular number. It's getting drunk, *being a drunkard*. Some people can handle one beer not do anything to them, some can have one drink and be a bit tipsy. It's not about quantity, it's about staying in a sober mind. well, if your drunk and think your sober, your not doing anything wrong....but then again, you just ask god to be forgiven, and you have nothing to worry about anyway. how many times does that work anyway? 12? and also, the water qualities were bad back then, and they didn't know about boiling water, so they drank lots of wine, it didn't get them sick. thats why the bible talks about wine so much. |
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abuse and use are not the same one who has SEX, could be a husband or wife one who ABUSES sex could be a pimp or prostitute one who Eats is human one who ABUSES food is a glutton One who drinks wine is one thing one who ABUSES alcohol is quite another One drink is use..two is abuse. I guess it's easy to ignore the truth to defend one's own drug abuse. Funny, a person in our society who smokes a joint is considered a "dope head" but someone who drinks alcohol is considered "sociable"....LOLOLOL. It's a weird old goofy world. Thumpers lead the way...actually I met the sponsor of the anti-abortion bills here...I spent an hour explaining to him how we can reduce the demand for abortion. After I left? Nothing, nothing ever became of that notion....He'd rather spend his time restricting women's rights than to address the teen drinking epidemic that helps cause unwanted pregnancies...yup, he's an average Christian, so therefore not a very smart human being. “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.” Isaiah 28:7." two drinks is abuse? by whose standard, and in what chapter and verse? Bible doesn't referance any particular number. It's getting drunk, *being a drunkard*. Some people can handle one beer not do anything to them, some can have one drink and be a bit tipsy. It's not about quantity, it's about staying in a sober mind. well, if your drunk and think your sober, your not doing anything wrong....but then again, you just ask god to be forgiven, and you have nothing to worry about anyway. how many times does that work anyway? 12? and also, the water qualities were bad back then, and they didn't know about boiling water, so they drank lots of wine, it didn't get them sick. thats why the bible talks about wine so much. being sober and thinking you're sober is two totally different things. I can think i'm the sexiest, most beautiful ruler of the world all i want, doesn't change the fact that i'm not. Same with being sober or thinkg you're sober, you can think it all you want, doesn't make you sober when you're not. |
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abuse and use are not the same one who has SEX, could be a husband or wife one who ABUSES sex could be a pimp or prostitute one who Eats is human one who ABUSES food is a glutton One who drinks wine is one thing one who ABUSES alcohol is quite another One drink is use..two is abuse. I guess it's easy to ignore the truth to defend one's own drug abuse. Funny, a person in our society who smokes a joint is considered a "dope head" but someone who drinks alcohol is considered "sociable"....LOLOLOL. It's a weird old goofy world. Thumpers lead the way...actually I met the sponsor of the anti-abortion bills here...I spent an hour explaining to him how we can reduce the demand for abortion. After I left? Nothing, nothing ever became of that notion....He'd rather spend his time restricting women's rights than to address the teen drinking epidemic that helps cause unwanted pregnancies...yup, he's an average Christian, so therefore not a very smart human being. “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.” Isaiah 28:7." two drinks is abuse? by whose standard, and in what chapter and verse? Bible doesn't referance any particular number. It's getting drunk, *being a drunkard*. Some people can handle one beer not do anything to them, some can have one drink and be a bit tipsy. It's not about quantity, it's about staying in a sober mind. well, if your drunk and think your sober, your not doing anything wrong....but then again, you just ask god to be forgiven, and you have nothing to worry about anyway. how many times does that work anyway? 12? and also, the water qualities were bad back then, and they didn't know about boiling water, so they drank lots of wine, it didn't get them sick. thats why the bible talks about wine so much. being sober and thinking you're sober is two totally different things. I can think i'm the sexiest, most beautiful ruler of the world all i want, doesn't change the fact that i'm not. Same with being sober or thinkg you're sober, you can think it all you want, doesn't make you sober when you're not. how would you know if your drunk? i never know till i'm way drunk, and then it's to late, i'm on my way to hell. if you ask forgiveness while your drunk, will he forgive you, or will he wait till your sober? |
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abuse and use are not the same one who has SEX, could be a husband or wife one who ABUSES sex could be a pimp or prostitute one who Eats is human one who ABUSES food is a glutton One who drinks wine is one thing one who ABUSES alcohol is quite another One drink is use..two is abuse. I guess it's easy to ignore the truth to defend one's own drug abuse. Funny, a person in our society who smokes a joint is considered a "dope head" but someone who drinks alcohol is considered "sociable"....LOLOLOL. It's a weird old goofy world. Thumpers lead the way...actually I met the sponsor of the anti-abortion bills here...I spent an hour explaining to him how we can reduce the demand for abortion. After I left? Nothing, nothing ever became of that notion....He'd rather spend his time restricting women's rights than to address the teen drinking epidemic that helps cause unwanted pregnancies...yup, he's an average Christian, so therefore not a very smart human being. “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.” Isaiah 28:7." two drinks is abuse? by whose standard, and in what chapter and verse? Bible doesn't referance any particular number. It's getting drunk, *being a drunkard*. Some people can handle one beer not do anything to them, some can have one drink and be a bit tipsy. It's not about quantity, it's about staying in a sober mind. well, if your drunk and think your sober, your not doing anything wrong....but then again, you just ask god to be forgiven, and you have nothing to worry about anyway. how many times does that work anyway? 12? and also, the water qualities were bad back then, and they didn't know about boiling water, so they drank lots of wine, it didn't get them sick. thats why the bible talks about wine so much. being sober and thinking you're sober is two totally different things. I can think i'm the sexiest, most beautiful ruler of the world all i want, doesn't change the fact that i'm not. Same with being sober or thinkg you're sober, you can think it all you want, doesn't make you sober when you're not. how would you know if your drunk? i never know till i'm way drunk, and then it's to late, i'm on my way to hell. if you ask forgiveness while your drunk, will he forgive you, or will he wait till your sober? 1 Peter 4:7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. Specifically says not to pray while drunk or any other mind altering state, but to be sober when coming to the lord. |
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abuse and use are not the same one who has SEX, could be a husband or wife one who ABUSES sex could be a pimp or prostitute one who Eats is human one who ABUSES food is a glutton One who drinks wine is one thing one who ABUSES alcohol is quite another One drink is use..two is abuse. I guess it's easy to ignore the truth to defend one's own drug abuse. Funny, a person in our society who smokes a joint is considered a "dope head" but someone who drinks alcohol is considered "sociable"....LOLOLOL. It's a weird old goofy world. Thumpers lead the way...actually I met the sponsor of the anti-abortion bills here...I spent an hour explaining to him how we can reduce the demand for abortion. After I left? Nothing, nothing ever became of that notion....He'd rather spend his time restricting women's rights than to address the teen drinking epidemic that helps cause unwanted pregnancies...yup, he's an average Christian, so therefore not a very smart human being. “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.” Isaiah 28:7." two drinks is abuse? by whose standard, and in what chapter and verse? Bible doesn't referance any particular number. It's getting drunk, *being a drunkard*. Some people can handle one beer not do anything to them, some can have one drink and be a bit tipsy. It's not about quantity, it's about staying in a sober mind. well, if your drunk and think your sober, your not doing anything wrong....but then again, you just ask god to be forgiven, and you have nothing to worry about anyway. how many times does that work anyway? 12? and also, the water qualities were bad back then, and they didn't know about boiling water, so they drank lots of wine, it didn't get them sick. thats why the bible talks about wine so much. being sober and thinking you're sober is two totally different things. I can think i'm the sexiest, most beautiful ruler of the world all i want, doesn't change the fact that i'm not. Same with being sober or thinkg you're sober, you can think it all you want, doesn't make you sober when you're not. how would you know if your drunk? i never know till i'm way drunk, and then it's to late, i'm on my way to hell. if you ask forgiveness while your drunk, will he forgive you, or will he wait till your sober? And you can't tell me you can't tell when you're drunk, you may not pay attention to it but you still know. You can't walk totally straight and or as straight as you can when you haven't been drinking. Slurred speech comes with to much drink, there are alot of signs people don't pay attention to while drinking. |
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abuse and use are not the same one who has SEX, could be a husband or wife one who ABUSES sex could be a pimp or prostitute one who Eats is human one who ABUSES food is a glutton One who drinks wine is one thing one who ABUSES alcohol is quite another One drink is use..two is abuse. I guess it's easy to ignore the truth to defend one's own drug abuse. Funny, a person in our society who smokes a joint is considered a "dope head" but someone who drinks alcohol is considered "sociable"....LOLOLOL. It's a weird old goofy world. Thumpers lead the way...actually I met the sponsor of the anti-abortion bills here...I spent an hour explaining to him how we can reduce the demand for abortion. After I left? Nothing, nothing ever became of that notion....He'd rather spend his time restricting women's rights than to address the teen drinking epidemic that helps cause unwanted pregnancies...yup, he's an average Christian, so therefore not a very smart human being. “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.” Isaiah 28:7." two drinks is abuse? by whose standard, and in what chapter and verse? Bible doesn't referance any particular number. It's getting drunk, *being a drunkard*. Some people can handle one beer not do anything to them, some can have one drink and be a bit tipsy. It's not about quantity, it's about staying in a sober mind. well, if your drunk and think your sober, your not doing anything wrong....but then again, you just ask god to be forgiven, and you have nothing to worry about anyway. how many times does that work anyway? 12? and also, the water qualities were bad back then, and they didn't know about boiling water, so they drank lots of wine, it didn't get them sick. thats why the bible talks about wine so much. being sober and thinking you're sober is two totally different things. I can think i'm the sexiest, most beautiful ruler of the world all i want, doesn't change the fact that i'm not. Same with being sober or thinkg you're sober, you can think it all you want, doesn't make you sober when you're not. how would you know if your drunk? i never know till i'm way drunk, and then it's to late, i'm on my way to hell. if you ask forgiveness while your drunk, will he forgive you, or will he wait till your sober? And you can't tell me you can't tell when you're drunk, you may not pay attention to it but you still know. You can't walk totally straight and or as straight as you can when you haven't been drinking. Slurred speech comes with to much drink, there are alot of signs people don't pay attention to while drinking. at what point are you drunk? by the time i say i'm drunk, i'm pretty messed up. so i'm guessing sometime before that. and what if i'm hitting a blunt too? is that a sin? i think god put weed here for us to smoke. if there is a god...it doesn't really say much about weed in the bible... jesus might have rolled a blunt or two in his day. |
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abuse and use are not the same one who has SEX, could be a husband or wife one who ABUSES sex could be a pimp or prostitute one who Eats is human one who ABUSES food is a glutton One who drinks wine is one thing one who ABUSES alcohol is quite another One drink is use..two is abuse. I guess it's easy to ignore the truth to defend one's own drug abuse. Funny, a person in our society who smokes a joint is considered a "dope head" but someone who drinks alcohol is considered "sociable"....LOLOLOL. It's a weird old goofy world. Thumpers lead the way...actually I met the sponsor of the anti-abortion bills here...I spent an hour explaining to him how we can reduce the demand for abortion. After I left? Nothing, nothing ever became of that notion....He'd rather spend his time restricting women's rights than to address the teen drinking epidemic that helps cause unwanted pregnancies...yup, he's an average Christian, so therefore not a very smart human being. “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.” Isaiah 28:7." two drinks is abuse? by whose standard, and in what chapter and verse? Bible doesn't referance any particular number. It's getting drunk, *being a drunkard*. Some people can handle one beer not do anything to them, some can have one drink and be a bit tipsy. It's not about quantity, it's about staying in a sober mind. well, if your drunk and think your sober, your not doing anything wrong....but then again, you just ask god to be forgiven, and you have nothing to worry about anyway. how many times does that work anyway? 12? and also, the water qualities were bad back then, and they didn't know about boiling water, so they drank lots of wine, it didn't get them sick. thats why the bible talks about wine so much. being sober and thinking you're sober is two totally different things. I can think i'm the sexiest, most beautiful ruler of the world all i want, doesn't change the fact that i'm not. Same with being sober or thinkg you're sober, you can think it all you want, doesn't make you sober when you're not. how would you know if your drunk? i never know till i'm way drunk, and then it's to late, i'm on my way to hell. if you ask forgiveness while your drunk, will he forgive you, or will he wait till your sober? And you can't tell me you can't tell when you're drunk, you may not pay attention to it but you still know. You can't walk totally straight and or as straight as you can when you haven't been drinking. Slurred speech comes with to much drink, there are alot of signs people don't pay attention to while drinking. at what point are you drunk? by the time i say i'm drunk, i'm pretty messed up. so i'm guessing sometime before that. and what if i'm hitting a blunt too? is that a sin? i think god put weed here for us to smoke. if there is a god...it doesn't really say much about weed in the bible... jesus might have rolled a blunt or two in his day. pot is also the strongest material to make rope out of. I believe that was it's sole purpose in comparison to smoking. And you're drunk when you can't think as clear as you usually do, not if you think you can or can't, just straight up not being able to think as clear or regular as you do without drinking. |
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Edited by
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Then again perhaps a poster should debate the issues instead of feigning insult? I see very little here in regards to forming an opinion and then referencing to support that opinion. Makes one wonder why they respond at all. Maybe some reply out of guilt so I say if the insult fits then... “Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean,” Judges 13:4. You're right, there is very little in regards to forming an opinion .I see posters using other's opinions as a means to degrade and try to insult Christians. Perhaps if there were some original thoughts to discuss instead of the closed-minded ramblings of a non-Christian, discussions would progress past the point of name-calling and bigotry. The issue? Well for one, you have no authority to judge anyone, regardless of what the Bible says. Second, cut-n-paste posts show originality has died, is that the opinion you were looking for? Bigot? LOL....BS, the things I posted in relation to facts about the drug alcohol are not "opinions", they are facts about that drug. I have referenced everything I've written...it's not my fault that some have no clue as to what the NIH and NIMH are...and the "cut and paste" you refer to is from MY anti-teen drinking org site that is vetted, peer reviewed by some at the AMA and several local alcohol (and other drug) recovery centers. One director approached me after a speech I once gave and said, "You're right but you are just ahead of your time". I told him it's past time we dealt with the teen drinking epidemic. Strangely, there are two particular groups that oppose reforms, the AA (because they are taught they had no choice in being an addict) and politicians who get major contributions from the alcohol industry to not cut into their profits from selling to kids. You'd think these two groups would care about children's rights to grow up drug free. The thumpers surely don't care as well if they won't even follow their teachings...pffft....lol. My original points stand...it's written in the bible that it's wrong to do drugs like alcohol yet the drunks here twist and lamely (I might add) try to justify their drug use using their little book, twisting by context that is cleary stated. If you drink wine or strong drink you are sinning. Weird that even when I do reach out and use the bible the followers are STILL blind to the words they are suppossed to live by. They obviously don't care since in this case they like their drugs and want to justify abusing them...even at the cost of our children's health and welfare. As I mentioned before alcohol play a part in most of our social ills...child and spousal abuse/deaths, unwanted pregnancies, poor health...so I take it that the thumpers think their imaginary "god" approves of this drug? Really? Weird to say the least. “For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.” Luke 1:15.[b/] |
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abuse and use are not the same one who has SEX, could be a husband or wife one who ABUSES sex could be a pimp or prostitute one who Eats is human one who ABUSES food is a glutton One who drinks wine is one thing one who ABUSES alcohol is quite another One drink is use..two is abuse. I guess it's easy to ignore the truth to defend one's own drug abuse. Funny, a person in our society who smokes a joint is considered a "dope head" but someone who drinks alcohol is considered "sociable"....LOLOLOL. It's a weird old goofy world. Thumpers lead the way...actually I met the sponsor of the anti-abortion bills here...I spent an hour explaining to him how we can reduce the demand for abortion. After I left? Nothing, nothing ever became of that notion....He'd rather spend his time restricting women's rights than to address the teen drinking epidemic that helps cause unwanted pregnancies...yup, he's an average Christian, so therefore not a very smart human being. “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.” Isaiah 28:7." two drinks is abuse? by whose standard, and in what chapter and verse? Bible doesn't referance any particular number. It's getting drunk, *being a drunkard*. Some people can handle one beer not do anything to them, some can have one drink and be a bit tipsy. It's not about quantity, it's about staying in a sober mind. well, if your drunk and think your sober, your not doing anything wrong....but then again, you just ask god to be forgiven, and you have nothing to worry about anyway. how many times does that work anyway? 12? and also, the water qualities were bad back then, and they didn't know about boiling water, so they drank lots of wine, it didn't get them sick. thats why the bible talks about wine so much. being sober and thinking you're sober is two totally different things. I can think i'm the sexiest, most beautiful ruler of the world all i want, doesn't change the fact that i'm not. Same with being sober or thinkg you're sober, you can think it all you want, doesn't make you sober when you're not. how would you know if your drunk? i never know till i'm way drunk, and then it's to late, i'm on my way to hell. if you ask forgiveness while your drunk, will he forgive you, or will he wait till your sober? And you can't tell me you can't tell when you're drunk, you may not pay attention to it but you still know. You can't walk totally straight and or as straight as you can when you haven't been drinking. Slurred speech comes with to much drink, there are alot of signs people don't pay attention to while drinking. at what point are you drunk? by the time i say i'm drunk, i'm pretty messed up. so i'm guessing sometime before that. and what if i'm hitting a blunt too? is that a sin? i think god put weed here for us to smoke. if there is a god...it doesn't really say much about weed in the bible... jesus might have rolled a blunt or two in his day. pot is also the strongest material to make rope out of. I believe that was it's sole purpose in comparison to smoking. And you're drunk when you can't think as clear as you usually do, not if you think you can or can't, just straight up not being able to think as clear or regular as you do without drinking. Correction: No, pot is not the "strongest rope"...that's HEMP which is a different plant often confused as "pot". You cannot get high off of HEMP. But even tho~ HEMP is not pot you can't legally grow hemp since it looks too much like pot...isn't that absurd??? "Surely no member of the vegetable kingdom has ever been more misunderstood than hemp. For too many years, emotion-not reason-has guided our policy toward this crop. And nowhere have emotions run hotter than in the debate over the distinction between industrial hemp and marijuana. This paper is intended to inform that debate by offering scientific evidence, so that farmers, policymakers, manufacturers, and the general public can distinguish between myth and reality." http://www.naihc.org/hemp_information/content/hemp.mj.html |
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Then again perhaps a poster should debate the issues instead of feigning insult? I see very little here in regards to forming an opinion and then referencing to support that opinion. Makes one wonder why they respond at all. Maybe some reply out of guilt so I say if the insult fits then... “Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean,” Judges 13:4. You're right, there is very little in regards to forming an opinion .I see posters using other's opinions as a means to degrade and try to insult Christians. Perhaps if there were some original thoughts to discuss instead of the closed-minded ramblings of a non-Christian, discussions would progress past the point of name-calling and bigotry. The issue? Well for one, you have no authority to judge anyone, regardless of what the Bible says. Second, cut-n-paste posts show originality has died, is that the opinion you were looking for? Bigot? LOL....BS, the things I posted in relation to facts about the drug alcohol are not "opinions", they are facts about that drug. I have referenced everything I've written...it's not my fault that some have no clue as to what the NIH and NIMH are...and the "cut and paste" you refer to is from MY anti-teen drinking org site that is vetted, peer reviewed by some at the AMA and several local alcohol (and other drug) recovery centers. One director approached me after a speech I once gave and said, "You're right but you are just ahead of your time". I told him it's past time we dealt with the teen drinking epidemic. Strangely, there are two particular groups that oppose reforms, the AA (because they are taught they had no choice in being an addict) and politicians who get major contributions from the alcohol industry to not cut into their profits from selling to kids. You'd think these two groups would care about children's rights to grow up drug free. The thumpers surely don't care as well if they won't even follow their teachings...pffft....lol. My original points stand...it's written in the bible that it's wrong to do drugs like alcohol yet the drunks here twist and lamely (I might add) try to justify their drug use using their little book, twisting by context that is cleary stated. If you drink wine or strong drink you are sinning. Weird that even when I do reach out and use the bible the followers are STILL blind to the words they are suppossed to live by. They obviously don't care since in this case they like their drugs and want to justify abusing them...even at the cost of our children's health and welfare. As I mentioned before alcohol play a part in most of our social ills...child and spousal abuse/deaths, unwanted pregnancies, poor health...so I take it that the thumpers think their imaginary "god" approves of this drug? Really? Weird to say the least. “For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.” Luke 1:15.[b/] that scripture refers to zacharias son john, it says nothing about drinking being a sin,,,,it is describing a person |
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Im christian and I dont drink... I do smoke cigerettes though... which I have been working hard using the patch and the gum to quit. If it werent for sin, we wouldnt need church the same as we do. Christians are admitted sinners... This is News here? Also.... It doesnt say in the bible all sinners go to hell... quite the contrary.  long time no see E!!... :)
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“For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.” Luke 1:15.[b/]
"that scripture refers to zacharias son john, it says nothing about drinking being a sin,,,,it is describing a person" No it isn't!...so just make stuff up to defend this drug eh? This was a comparison with the Nazarites as a lesson against drinking...and a judgement that the followers should not drink this drug...JTC, this stuff is all over the bible...lol. I just gave a small sampling and it's pretty clear that your god thing clearly states that ye shall not drink wine nor strong drink....else not be allowed into the gates of that heaven thing. ~~~ Sup AGG?...I just stopped in to take a dump...heh. ~~~ “Wine makes men foolish, and strong drink makes men come to blows; and whoever comes into error through these is not wise” Proverbs 20:1. “Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks” Isaiah 5:22. “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.” Isaiah 28:7. |
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Well Thank God I'm not a Christian............
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