Topic: are men like women?
willy_cents's photo
Sun 06/13/10 06:29 PM

My comments were not said to bash...or to take away the uniqueness of men. All of my sons are unique also, the only thing the same about them is what's between their legs.

Both genders have been raised to have a male -female view of the world.
Instead of expending so much energy on figuring out why were different we could be appreciating the differences....there is a balance that is formed between us if we allow it.

Seems the biggest problem is both sexes feel un appreciated, misunderstood and taken for granted. Communication and appreciation for our 'uniqueness' could go along way in that department.
for certain. We spend far too much time trying to "figure" out the other sex and not enough time just being ourselves and accepting that we are different

buttons's photo
Sun 06/13/10 06:38 PM


My comments were not said to bash...or to take away the uniqueness of men. All of my sons are unique also, the only thing the same about them is what's between their legs.

Both genders have been raised to have a male -female view of the world.
Instead of expending so much energy on figuring out why were different we could be appreciating the differences....there is a balance that is formed between us if we allow it.

Seems the biggest problem is both sexes feel un appreciated, misunderstood and taken for granted. Communication and appreciation for our 'uniqueness' could go along way in that department.
for certain. We spend far too much time trying to "figure" out the other sex and not enough time just being ourselves and accepting that we are different
im sorry but i dig to learn others thoughts.. man or women...or websites etc... im pretty open minded lol love to learn!

buttons's photo
Sun 06/13/10 06:40 PM
laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh and this has nothing to do with learning a past... yes maybe the future though! i enoying growing as a human... as a person.. as a woman..

Wulfenstraat's photo
Sun 06/13/10 06:57 PM
Edited by Wulfenstraat on Sun 06/13/10 07:02 PM

Ya know what..you can state your thoughts without being a jerk..or can't you. By referring to my level of consciousness as low your only showing your need to judge me...
Which to some would be considered "low consciousness"
I am basing my thoughts on how simple and easy my sons were, are...they are men now and I have learned much about the way the male brain works by raising them alone, talking with them, knowing what is important to them, what they care about, what hurts them, what makes them happy, what they want in life.
It's called communication...I have had that with my children in their un jaded, innocent way.
My relationship and the understanding is far different than that of a dog. What I've learned of men via my sons goes way beyond throwing them a plate of food and petting them on the head.
Women don't live in the female-viewed world any more than men live in their male-viewed world. The thing is Sir, that the male, masculine ways have not served us well, look at the world.
I happen to be an advocate for men and the pressure put on them by society...my one great hope is that I have raised my sons differently than my brothers were raised.


I wasn't attacking you. As I said, that paragraph was taken out of context from one of my posts because it specifically answered the post you made, which follows:


Men are sooo much more simpler than women...sorry sisters, it's true.
I've watched my sons grow from little boys to men. They really are simple and easy to please...



So that you won't believe that I personally attacked your level of consciousness as being low (because, you must admit, you took some heavy wallops on me, even calling me a jerk, totally reinforcing my own thesis of how difficult it is to communicate between genders), I've reproduced the original post with the paragraph that upset you so that you can see it in context. As you'll note, all of this was written way before you posted the quote immediately above, so it was never intended to single out your low level of consciousness as regards the male of the specie. Nuff said?



[Are men and women alike? We are more alike "below the neck" than we are "above the neck," if that gives you any idea of how different we really are.

The way these two genders see the world is so totally alien to the other that it requires an absolute suspension of disbelief for them to merge, usually brought on by an overpowering need for sex or love by at least one of them. It's only when one of the two is willing to hold their alien views in check long enough to actually see, feel and hear the other person that there is even a remote chance that these two will get to smell and taste each other...besides the other obvious thing.

Some of you men and women believe you can fully understand your soulmate. No, you can’t. You can predict how your mate will react under certain conditions because that's based on empyrical evidence, meaning prior experience; but this is at such a low level of consciousness that it's no better than understanding what your dog wants and needs. Most women have no idea how complex male thought is, because they think we're simple creatures with simple wants and needs (food and sex among others) and concentrate on fulfilling or denying these basic needs as a way of structuring and maintaining their female-viewed world.

Most Nobel Prize winners are men. It's a fact. These are the same men who dutifully sit at the table and listen to their wives tell them about the mailman dropping off a package, the dog peeing on the couch and the steak being slightly burned. He nods and smiles and seems contented. She tells her friends how simple his needs are and how easy he is to understand. Yet, this same man is able to theorize the double helix between mouthfuls of mash potato and to make tremendously intuitive leaps across logical chasms, such leaps as have dragged the rest of humanity up from the cave...into that nice kitchen where his wife can tell him about the mailman and the dog and the steak, thinking how simple and uncomplicated he is.

From a male point of view, we simply see you as needful creatures, needing protection, needing love, needing security...which we provide as best we can, little realizing that you are far more complex than that. That's why we can't understand why you break down crying for no good reason (as we see it). Of course you have good reason. We just don't understand it, even when you explain it, because what's important to you in your hierarchy of needs is more complex than Maslow's simple definition of needs. The same goes for men.

It is only when we recognize that we will never understand each other that we have a small chance of coming together as equals.]



Ladylid2012's photo
Sun 06/13/10 07:05 PM


Ya know what..you can state your thoughts without being a jerk..or can't you. By referring to my level of consciousness as low your only showing your need to judge me...
Which to some would be considered "low consciousness"
I am basing my thoughts on how simple and easy my sons were, are...they are men now and I have learned much about the way the male brain works by raising them alone, talking with them, knowing what is important to them, what they care about, what hurts them, what makes them happy, what they want in life.
It's called communication...I have had that with my children in their un jaded, innocent way.
My relationship and the understanding is far different than that of a dog. What I've learned of men via my sons goes way beyond throwing them a plate of food and petting them on the head.
Women don't live in the female-viewed world any more than men live in their male-viewed world. The thing is Sir, that the male, masculine ways have not served us well, look at the world.
I happen to be an advocate for men and the pressure put on them by society...my one great hope is that I have raised my sons differently than my brothers were raised.


I wasn't attacking you. As I said, that paragraph was taken out of context from one of my posts because it specifically answered the post you made, which follows:


Men are sooo much more simpler than women...sorry sisters, it's true.
I've watched my sons grow from little boys to men. They really are simple and easy to please...



So that you won't believe that I personally attacked your level of consciousness as being low (because, you must admit, you took some heavy wallops on me, even calling me a jerk, totally reinforcing my own thesis of how difficult it is to communicate between genders), I've reproduced the original post with the paragraph that upset you so that you can see it in context. As you'll note, all of this was written way before you posted the quote immediately above, so it was never intended to single out your low level of consciousness as regards the male of the specie. Nuff said?



[Are men and women alike? We are more alike "below the neck" than we are "above the neck," if that gives you any idea of how different we really are.

The way these two genders see the world is so totally alien to the other that it requires an absolute suspension of disbelief for them to merge, usually brought on by an overpowering need for sex or love by at least one of them. It's only when one of the two is willing to hold their alien views in check long enough to actually see, feel and hear the other person that there is even a remote chance that these two will get to smell and taste each other...besides the other obvious thing.

Some of you men and women believe you can fully understand your soulmate. No, you can’t. You can predict how your mate will react under certain conditions because that's based on empyrical evidence, meaning prior experience; but this is at such a low level of consciousness that it's no better than understanding what your dog wants and needs. Most women have no idea how complex male thought is, because they think we're simple creatures with simple wants and needs (food and sex among others) and concentrate on fulfilling or denying these basic needs as a way of structuring and maintaining their female-viewed world.

Most Nobel Prize winners are men. It's a fact. These are the same men who dutifully sit at the table and listen to their wives tell them about the mailman dropping off a package, the dog peeing on the couch and the steak being slightly burned. He nods and smiles and seems contented. She tells her friends how simple his needs are and how easy he is to understand. Yet, this same man is able to theorize the double helix between mouthfuls of mash potato and to make tremendously intuitive leaps across logical chasms, such leaps as have dragged the rest of humanity up from the cave...into that nice kitchen where his wife can tell him about the mailman and the dog and the steak, thinking how simple and uncomplicated he is.

From a male point of view, we simply see you as needful creatures, needing protection, needing love, needing security...which we provide as best we can, little realizing that you are far more complex than that. That's why we can't understand why you break down crying for no good reason (as we see it). Of course you have good reason. We just don't understand it, even when you explain it, because what's important to you in your hierarchy of needs is more complex than Maslow's simple definition of needs. The same goes for men.

It is only when we recognize that we will never understand each other that we have a small chance of coming together as equals.]





Redundant

Only with the return of the Divine Feminine will we become equals...

Seakolony's photo
Sun 06/13/10 07:07 PM
Hey I just might be going to the Iron Maiden concert next Sunday, WOOOHOOO!!

Wulfenstraat's photo
Sun 06/13/10 07:08 PM
Edited by Wulfenstraat on Sun 06/13/10 07:14 PM
Only with the return of the Divine Feminine will we become equals...

Explain how this is not New Age drivel, a meaningless concept, feminist propaganda or words without substance? If you want a run on redundancy. This ill-thought remark states either that woman is not the equal of man at present, which will piss off your sisters, or that she has mistakenly placed herself above man, in which case, that makes her a jerk. So, I categorically reject your statement that: Only with the return of the Divine Feminine will we become equals

buttons's photo
Sun 06/13/10 07:10 PM

Hey I just might be going to the Iron Maiden concert next Sunday, WOOOHOOO!!
fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!


please mingle dont delete my topic!!!!! i think overall..its a good learning experience for some!! to understand the different thoughts of man. vs woman and for man and woman to grow from it..

buttons's photo
Sun 06/13/10 07:14 PM
open your minds... and learn... we all think different man or woman. yes... most definatly all women arent the same as are all men the same

Totage's photo
Sun 06/13/10 07:16 PM
Men and women are like cats and dogs. Women being the cats and men being the dogs.

Yeah, I did say men are dogs, but I didn't mean it like that. :tongue:

buttons's photo
Sun 06/13/10 07:16 PM
i am certanily figuring out im not the same as all women, though not like men either OMG im freak!!!!!!!!!!! lol! well i'm ok with that!

buttons's photo
Sun 06/13/10 07:18 PM

Men and women are like cats and dogs. Women being the cats and men being the dogs.

Yeah, I did say men are dogs, but I didn't mean it like that. :tongue:
pfft! i find u far from a dog! just a freak image though lol!laugh :wink:

willy_cents's photo
Sun 06/13/10 07:31 PM

i am certanily figuring out im not the same as all women, though not like men either OMG im freak!!!!!!!!!!! lol! well i'm ok with that!
I think if we compare ourselves, any of us, to the general opinion of the sexes, we are all freaks...and I am proud of being one...lol...biggest thing to make us comfortable with life is "Dare to be different" the clone is never remembered, just the different onew

navygirl's photo
Sun 06/13/10 08:07 PM

more than they care to admit? do they change their minds as well? is it a macho thing to do to act one way and feel a different way later on and be scared to admit it?


I find it quite interesting working in a male evironment. The concensous is that women are emotional so that weakens us. I find that a man's ego is quite sensitive. In the civilian world as well as the military, men hate that I am strong emotionally as well as physically. They hate that I have independence and intelligence or the fact that I don't have to call them to fix something at my house. Lets face it the military isn't quite a cake walk and civilian men feel quite threatened by that. It scares them that I indeed can be their equal. I honestly never realized just how fragile a man's ego can be and that certainly could be seen as weakness; however I see it as a learning curve for these type of men. Now I am happy to say not all men are like this as some indeed do like a woman that can do more than cook and make babies. To these men; I salute.

Ladylid2012's photo
Sun 06/13/10 08:10 PM
Edited by Ladylid2012 on Sun 06/13/10 08:10 PM

Only with the return of the Divine Feminine will we become equals...

Explain how this is not New Age drivel, a meaningless concept, feminist propaganda or words without substance? If you want a run on redundancy. This ill-thought remark states either that woman is not the equal of man at present, which will piss off your sisters, or that she has mistakenly placed herself above man, in which case, that makes her a jerk. So, I categorically reject your statement that: Only with the return of the Divine Feminine will we become equals


This is my own thoughts, if it is meaningless drivel to you than so be it. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, just stating my thoughts.

I do feel in many ways we females are not quite as equal with our brothers, in many ways we are. It's been a long few thousand years...we've progressed considerably. Also some have placed themselves above man, I know some of those women, particularly many of the young women who associate with my sons, some are jerks. So there is a fair amount of truth to your theories.

I don't give a rats azz who gets pissed off. I don't intentionally piss people off, if anyone of my sisters are offended...I apologize.

I accept your rejection of my statement...

Peace

edit to ad...I'm not a feminist.

Totage's photo
Sun 06/13/10 08:25 PM


Men and women are like cats and dogs. Women being the cats and men being the dogs.

Yeah, I did say men are dogs, but I didn't mean it like that. :tongue:
pfft! i find u far from a dog! just a freak image though lol!laugh :wink:


I do relate more to cats than dogs. laugh

Wulfenstraat's photo
Sun 06/13/10 08:31 PM


Only with the return of the Divine Feminine will we become equals...

Explain how this is not New Age drivel, a meaningless concept, feminist propaganda or words without substance? If you want a run on redundancy. This ill-thought remark states either that woman is not the equal of man at present, which will piss off your sisters, or that she has mistakenly placed herself above man, in which case, that makes her a jerk. So, I categorically reject your statement that: Only with the return of the Divine Feminine will we become equals


This is my own thoughts, if it is meaningless drivel to you than so be it. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, just stating my thoughts.

I do feel in many ways we females are not quite as equal with our brothers, in many ways we are. It's been a long few thousand years...we've progressed considerably. Also some have placed themselves above man, I know some of those women, particularly many of the young women who associate with my sons, some are jerks. So there is a fair amount of truth to your theories.

I don't give a rats azz who gets pissed off. I don't intentionally piss people off, if anyone of my sisters are offended...I apologize.

I accept your rejection of my statement...

Peace

edit to ad...I'm not a feminist.


Oh, OK

buttons's photo
Sun 06/13/10 08:41 PM


more than they care to admit? do they change their minds as well? is it a macho thing to do to act one way and feel a different way later on and be scared to admit it?


I find it quite interesting working in a male evironment. The concensous is that women are emotional so that weakens us. I find that a man's ego is quite sensitive. In the civilian world as well as the military, men hate that I am strong emotionally as well as physically. They hate that I have independence and intelligence or the fact that I don't have to call them to fix something at my house. Lets face it the military isn't quite a cake walk and civilian men feel quite threatened by that. It scares them that I indeed can be their equal. I honestly never realized just how fragile a man's ego can be and that certainly could be seen as weakness; however I see it as a learning curve for these type of men. Now I am happy to say not all men are like this as some indeed do like a woman that can do more than cook and make babies. To these men; I salute.
yea.. once i thought i learned them.. i find out more stuff! lol! and even at younger ages! i am quite amazed as how shut my eyes were!

Ladylid2012's photo
Sun 06/13/10 08:42 PM



Only with the return of the Divine Feminine will we become equals...

Explain how this is not New Age drivel, a meaningless concept, feminist propaganda or words without substance? If you want a run on redundancy. This ill-thought remark states either that woman is not the equal of man at present, which will piss off your sisters, or that she has mistakenly placed herself above man, in which case, that makes her a jerk. So, I categorically reject your statement that: Only with the return of the Divine Feminine will we become equals


This is my own thoughts, if it is meaningless drivel to you than so be it. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, just stating my thoughts.

I do feel in many ways we females are not quite as equal with our brothers, in many ways we are. It's been a long few thousand years...we've progressed considerably. Also some have placed themselves above man, I know some of those women, particularly many of the young women who associate with my sons, some are jerks. So there is a fair amount of truth to your theories.

I don't give a rats azz who gets pissed off. I don't intentionally piss people off, if anyone of my sisters are offended...I apologize.

I accept your rejection of my statement...

Peace

edit to ad...I'm not a feminist.


Oh, OK


Oh, OK then.
It's been a pleasure.
I'm off to my new age
gathering now....it's
called "Jesus lives in a spaceship behind the moon" ....group.

Peace out brother

Seakolony's photo
Sun 06/13/10 08:49 PM
No matter the view or concept, I have always said there are more than two sides to a quarter, all personalities lend differents aspects to the masses, and appreciation for both the open aspects of mingle posters with whom I have agreed on many occasions or the newly lent thoughts of a completely different aspects of more theoretcial views whose posts and topics sometimes needs placement into more layman type wording towards the masses or explanation often times from the comprehension of other viewers. I say, I am learning not to completely read certain posts from a literal aspect, but more from a theoretical aspect and implication to push further thoughts beyond the normal societal viewpoint.