Topic: LA Council Bans Official Travel to Arizona
willing2's photo
Thu 05/13/10 04:35 PM

<---Me at Lake Mead after a night on the town in Vegas.

Are you having to hang onto the rail because of a hangover??:wink:

Lpdon's photo
Thu 05/13/10 09:29 PM

I guess "liberal" should be added to the hate list huh?

I'm not a liberal and I am working on getting Arizona boycotted across the nation.


You are a Liberal and the boycott wont work, so have fun trying.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 05/13/10 10:46 PM


I guess "liberal" should be added to the hate list huh?

I'm not a liberal and I am working on getting Arizona boycotted across the nation.


You are a Liberal and the boycott wont work, so have fun trying.


Does it make it easier for you if you can label me?

That is funny.

I am not a liberal.

You don't even know me at all at any level so you assume something you know nothing about and that is your issue not mine.

The boycotting will work.

Arizona needs to interact at a business level with the rest of the country. It will hurt to lose that money.

I have been writing those in powerful places about the issue of racism in Arizona.

boredinaz06's photo
Fri 05/14/10 12:42 AM



I guess "liberal" should be added to the hate list huh?

I'm not a liberal and I am working on getting Arizona boycotted across the nation.


You are a Liberal and the boycott wont work, so have fun trying.


Does it make it easier for you if you can label me?

That is funny.

I am not a liberal.

You don't even know me at all at any level so you assume something you know nothing about and that is your issue not mine.

The boycotting will work.

Arizona needs to interact at a business level with the rest of the country. It will hurt to lose that money.

I have been writing those in powerful places about the issue of racism in Arizona.


Not true.

DaveyB's photo
Fri 05/14/10 12:38 PM

Wednesday's Council vote stopped short of enacting a full ban on the city's business with neighboring Arizona. The city has $58 million worth of contracts with Arizona companies.


They have probably overstepped their authority already but there would definitely be a problem if hey took it any further.



"Los Angeles the second-largest city in this country, an immigrant city, an international city. It needs to have its voice heard,'' Councilman Ed Reyes, one of the resolution's sponsors, told the Los Angeles Times. "As an American, I cannot go to Arizona today without a passport. If I come across an officer who's having a bad day and feels that the picture on my ID is not me, I can be ... deported, no questions asked. That is not American.''


I don't know if he's ignorant or flat out lying. The law does nothing even close to that.


The Council likened the Arizona action, which aims to prosecute and deport illegal immigrants, to the persecution experienced by Jews in Nazi Germany and Japanese-Americans interned in camps in the U.S. during World War II.


A totally ignorant comparison, since the Jews were in Germany legally, many were residents their entire lives and for generations


The Arizona law, which takes effect July 23, makes failure to carry immigration documents a crime, allowing police officers to stop anyone they believe may be in the country illegally, a power that critics believe could lead to racial profiling.


That some racial profiling could happen is likely. The facts of life are that it is happening every day every where in the country where we have large immigrant populations.


Maybe if their pocket book hurts a bit they will see the error of their ways, ya think?


The pocket book most likely to be hurt by the decision is Los Angeles's. I'm pretty unhappy about it myself.

FTR, I did not support this law when I first heard of it, but unlike most if not all of the people damning it I took the time to read it.

no photo
Fri 05/14/10 12:59 PM
One more 'brick' added to the collective 'load' in the 'national diaper' ...

heavenlyboy34's photo
Fri 05/14/10 01:53 PM



I guess "liberal" should be added to the hate list huh?

I'm not a liberal and I am working on getting Arizona boycotted across the nation.


You are a Liberal and the boycott wont work, so have fun trying.


Does it make it easier for you if you can label me?

That is funny.

I am not a liberal.

You don't even know me at all at any level so you assume something you know nothing about and that is your issue not mine.

The boycotting will work.

Arizona needs to interact at a business level with the rest of the country. It will hurt to lose that money.

I have been writing those in powerful places about the issue of racism in Arizona.


The boycotting likely won't work. They've tried boycotts before in regards to prop 200 and Sherriff Joe, but those protests died out. I predict a massive fail for boycott efforts.

DaveyB's photo
Fri 05/14/10 01:54 PM


California is bankrupt. Someone is going to have to bail them out. I hope that the other 49 states rise up and say NO when the feds have to step in. We will see who has the last laugh and it won't be california.

Tell 'em, No way, Jose!!
When they get rid of all their Illegal Joses n Josetts, they can climb out of bankruptcy.


Love to if the feds would just do their job :wink:

DaveyB's photo
Fri 05/14/10 01:58 PM



I guess "liberal" should be added to the hate list huh?

I'm not a liberal and I am working on getting Arizona boycotted across the nation.


You are a Liberal and the boycott wont work, so have fun trying.


Does it make it easier for you if you can label me?

That is funny.

I am not a liberal.

You don't even know me at all at any level so you assume something you know nothing about and that is your issue not mine.

The boycotting will work.

Arizona needs to interact at a business level with the rest of the country. It will hurt to lose that money.

I have been writing those in powerful places about the issue of racism in Arizona.


You have to look at what direction the money really flows. Take a look at what the airport had to say... Los Angeles will be on the losing end of the deal. Something we really can't afford right now.

As for racism, there is nothing of the sort in the law. Wasn't really even before the change they put in but it did make the law a little more palatable just the same. Personally I thought it was better without the change but I do understand the need.

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Fri 05/14/10 03:21 PM
I live in Arizona and personally, I think all this boycott and hoopla about this new law may end up backfiring on those opposed to it.

From what I have been hearing, many other states are considering copycat laws similar to SB1070.

I also think it's strange that Police can't ask if you are here legally. I haven't been stopped by a cop in awhile but last time I was he seemed to ask a lot of questions: Where you going? Have you had anything to drink? Can I see your drivers license and proof of insurance? Do you have any weapons in the vehicle? Do you mind if I search your vehicle? Is this your current address on your driver's license? etc. etc..

I am a native Arizonan and remember all the hoopla about the MLK Holiday. We would have had the state holiday sooner but the dang NFL had to open their mouths and threaten the people of Arizona. It came to a vote and the people of AZ don't take to threats to kindly so they voted the holiday down.

It came up to a public vote several years later and this time, the NFL kept their mouths shut and the voters approved the state holiday.

And by the way, I think Arizona was the first State in the Union to have a "Voter Approved" MLK Holiday.


msharmony's photo
Fri 05/14/10 05:39 PM

I live in Arizona and personally, I think all this boycott and hoopla about this new law may end up backfiring on those opposed to it.

From what I have been hearing, many other states are considering copycat laws similar to SB1070.

I also think it's strange that Police can't ask if you are here legally. I haven't been stopped by a cop in awhile but last time I was he seemed to ask a lot of questions: Where you going? Have you had anything to drink? Can I see your drivers license and proof of insurance? Do you have any weapons in the vehicle? Do you mind if I search your vehicle? Is this your current address on your driver's license? etc. etc..

I am a native Arizonan and remember all the hoopla about the MLK Holiday. We would have had the state holiday sooner but the dang NFL had to open their mouths and threaten the people of Arizona. It came to a vote and the people of AZ don't take to threats to kindly so they voted the holiday down.

It came up to a public vote several years later and this time, the NFL kept their mouths shut and the voters approved the state holiday.

And by the way, I think Arizona was the first State in the Union to have a "Voter Approved" MLK Holiday.





thats true , Ronald Reagan had already signed it into LAW, without a vote, and many states accepted it, AZ was not one

from http://m.www.helium.com/items/1700263-how-martin-luther-king-jr-day-became-a-holiday

The acceptance of Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, has been ongoing since it was declared in 1986. Illinois was the first state to accept it.

In 1987, Governor Evan Mecham of Arizona, repealed the law. People from all over the U.S. boycott the state. In 1991, the NFL decides to hold the 1993 Super Bowl in Pasadena, California instead of Phoenix Arizona. This change is made because of the boycott of Arizona. In 1992, the boycott of Arizona works and the Arizonians vote to approve MLK Day. The Super Bowl is held in Tempe, in 1996, after the recognition.

All the states, in 1993, recognize the holiday in some form. Some of the states called it by a different name, “Civil Rights Day” or “Robert E. Lee Day”. In some states, it was not a paid state holiday. Finally, in 2000, all the states recognize MLK Day. Utah was the last state to call it MLK Day rather than Human Rights Day. South Carolina becomes the last state to make MLK a paid holiday. Up until this point, South Carolinians could choose to celebrate MLK Day or three Confederate-related holidays.


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Fri 05/14/10 06:46 PM

Thomas3474's photo
Fri 05/14/10 07:29 PM
I'm sure many people including myself are wondering what other laws the officials in California have turned a blind eye to.If they publicly protest enforcing Federal laws on public TV one has to wonder what other skeletons are in their closet.I reminds me of Al capone having the police chief on his payroll to do his dirty deeds.Legal action including termination should be taken.It is one thing to have a opinion on a issue.It is another when you are a represented elected official on the Government payroll using his or her own political beliefs believing you are above the laws of this country and calling for lawlessness.

I do believe those officials will pay dearly for their actions.Once the lawsuits start flying,once the indictment papers are issued for inciting lawlessness,treason,dereliction of duty,abuse of power,disobeying Federal laws,breaking federal laws,corruption,harboring fugitives,bypassing due process,and many others I can't think of then lets hear what they have to say.

George Washington would have had these officials strung up and shot for their actions if he was here today.


Lpdon's photo
Fri 05/14/10 08:05 PM



I guess "liberal" should be added to the hate list huh?

I'm not a liberal and I am working on getting Arizona boycotted across the nation.


You are a Liberal and the boycott wont work, so have fun trying.


Does it make it easier for you if you can label me?

That is funny.

I am not a liberal.

You don't even know me at all at any level so you assume something you know nothing about and that is your issue not mine.

The boycotting will work.

Arizona needs to interact at a business level with the rest of the country. It will hurt to lose that money.

I have been writing those in powerful places about the issue of racism in Arizona.


Let's see..... You resort to personal attacks against anything Republican and you worship the ground the annointed one walk on, yup your a liberal.

Not to mention that anyone who doesn't think the way you do is a racist redneck piece of crap.

Thomas3474's photo
Fri 05/14/10 08:29 PM




I guess "liberal" should be added to the hate list huh?

I'm not a liberal and I am working on getting Arizona boycotted across the nation.


You are a Liberal and the boycott wont work, so have fun trying.


Does it make it easier for you if you can label me?

That is funny.

I am not a liberal.

You don't even know me at all at any level so you assume something you know nothing about and that is your issue not mine.

The boycotting will work.

Arizona needs to interact at a business level with the rest of the country. It will hurt to lose that money.

I have been writing those in powerful places about the issue of racism in Arizona.


Let's see..... You resort to personal attacks against anything Republican and you worship the ground the annointed one walk on, yup your a liberal.

Not to mention that anyone who doesn't think the way you do is a racist redneck piece of crap.


I'll second that!Racist...The new meaning-Anyone who disagrees with anything a liberal has to say.

DaveyB's photo
Fri 05/14/10 08:43 PM

I'm sure many people including myself are wondering what other laws the officials in California have turned a blind eye to.If they publicly protest enforcing Federal laws on public TV one has to wonder what other skeletons are in their closet.I reminds me of Al capone having the police chief on his payroll to do his dirty deeds.Legal action including termination should be taken.It is one thing to have a opinion on a issue.It is another when you are a represented elected official on the Government payroll using his or her own political beliefs believing you are above the laws of this country and calling for lawlessness.

I do believe those officials will pay dearly for their actions.Once the lawsuits start flying,once the indictment papers are issued for inciting lawlessness,treason,dereliction of duty,abuse of power,disobeying Federal laws,breaking federal laws,corruption,harboring fugitives,bypassing due process,and many others I can't think of then lets hear what they have to say.

George Washington would have had these officials strung up and shot for their actions if he was here today.


Um, let's do a reality check here. While I don't agree with what they did, this isn't a federal law it's a state law in another state. At the worst they over-stepped their authority in calling for the boycott in which case they would be told, "No you can't do that" and life would go on as usual.

On the plus side this does mean that the public won't be paying for any personal junkets to AZ masquerading as official business... probably save LA a ton of money if it was NV and they boycotted Las Vegas laugh

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Fri 05/14/10 08:53 PM
Okay ... how many people who are making the decision to NOT travel to AZ on 'official business' have even READ the law ... ? I mean, it's TEN PAGES ... is that beyond their attention span ... ? Looks like it ...

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Fri 05/14/10 08:55 PM


I live in Arizona and personally, I think all this boycott and hoopla about this new law may end up backfiring on those opposed to it.

From what I have been hearing, many other states are considering copycat laws similar to SB1070.

I also think it's strange that Police can't ask if you are here legally. I haven't been stopped by a cop in awhile but last time I was he seemed to ask a lot of questions: Where you going? Have you had anything to drink? Can I see your drivers license and proof of insurance? Do you have any weapons in the vehicle? Do you mind if I search your vehicle? Is this your current address on your driver's license? etc. etc..

I am a native Arizonan and remember all the hoopla about the MLK Holiday. We would have had the state holiday sooner but the dang NFL had to open their mouths and threaten the people of Arizona. It came to a vote and the people of AZ don't take to threats to kindly so they voted the holiday down.

It came up to a public vote several years later and this time, the NFL kept their mouths shut and the voters approved the state holiday.

And by the way, I think Arizona was the first State in the Union to have a "Voter Approved" MLK Holiday.





thats true , Ronald Reagan had already signed it into LAW, without a vote, and many states accepted it, AZ was not one

from http://m.www.helium.com/items/1700263-how-martin-luther-king-jr-day-became-a-holiday

The acceptance of Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, has been ongoing since it was declared in 1986. Illinois was the first state to accept it.

In 1987, Governor Evan Mecham of Arizona, repealed the law. People from all over the U.S. boycott the state. In 1991, the NFL decides to hold the 1993 Super Bowl in Pasadena, California instead of Phoenix Arizona. This change is made because of the boycott of Arizona. In 1992, the boycott of Arizona works and the Arizonians vote to approve MLK Day. The Super Bowl is held in Tempe, in 1996, after the recognition.

All the states, in 1993, recognize the holiday in some form. Some of the states called it by a different name, “Civil Rights Day” or “Robert E. Lee Day”. In some states, it was not a paid state holiday. Finally, in 2000, all the states recognize MLK Day. Utah was the last state to call it MLK Day rather than Human Rights Day. South Carolina becomes the last state to make MLK a paid holiday. Up until this point, South Carolinians could choose to celebrate MLK Day or three Confederate-related holidays.




Ms Harmony, your facts are a little distorted. I was here and lived to tell the tale! Hahaha

Getting the King Holiday had nothing to do with the boycott of Arizona!

And Governor Evan Mecham did not "repeal a law" as I don't think a Governor can do that. He repealed the MLK Paid State Holiday that was signed as an executive order by his predecessor, Governor Bruce Babbit.

Then it came to the voters to decide whether or not to appove a MLK Holiday in 1990. The NFL Committee had already approved Phoenix for Superbowl XXVII said that they would move the game if voters did not approve the holiday. That was the THREAT! So voters got angry and voted the holiday down in 1990.

2 years later, in 1992, it came before the voters again to decide whether or not to approve a paid State MLK Holiday. Now the second time around, the NFL Committee got smart and kept their mouths SHUT, no threats, and the voters approved the Holiday.

I think Arizona may be the only State with a "voter approved" MLK Holiday. And I don't think the issue with the voters of Arizona was ever really about anything racial....it was about being threatened by outsiders like the NFL. That was the sentiment that was flowing throuigh the streets.

Now Governor Mecham, the guy who rescinded the MLK Holiday that his predecessor had initiated, was attacked by the voters and I believe he was a racist. He was the 1st Governor ever impeached in the State of Arizona. So what does that tell you about the people?

Back to my original statement, I think these boycotts are a very bad idea and may end up backfiring on those initiating them.

I also think these boycotts are like sanctions....similar to what we do to Iran. C'mon! Aren't we the UNITED STATES! Do we impose sanctions against our fellow states?

I believe if people are opposed to the law, there is a political process to undo the law. I believe that's called a referrendum. We have a system, people need to understand what it is and use it.


boredinaz06's photo
Fri 05/14/10 08:59 PM




Some people are just stupid.

msharmony's photo
Sat 05/15/10 12:29 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 05/15/10 12:31 AM



I live in Arizona and personally, I think all this boycott and hoopla about this new law may end up backfiring on those opposed to it.

From what I have been hearing, many other states are considering copycat laws similar to SB1070.

I also think it's strange that Police can't ask if you are here legally. I haven't been stopped by a cop in awhile but last time I was he seemed to ask a lot of questions: Where you going? Have you had anything to drink? Can I see your drivers license and proof of insurance? Do you have any weapons in the vehicle? Do you mind if I search your vehicle? Is this your current address on your driver's license? etc. etc..

I am a native Arizonan and remember all the hoopla about the MLK Holiday. We would have had the state holiday sooner but the dang NFL had to open their mouths and threaten the people of Arizona. It came to a vote and the people of AZ don't take to threats to kindly so they voted the holiday down.

It came up to a public vote several years later and this time, the NFL kept their mouths shut and the voters approved the state holiday.

And by the way, I think Arizona was the first State in the Union to have a "Voter Approved" MLK Holiday.





thats true , Ronald Reagan had already signed it into LAW, without a vote, and many states accepted it, AZ was not one

from http://m.www.helium.com/items/1700263-how-martin-luther-king-jr-day-became-a-holiday

The acceptance of Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, has been ongoing since it was declared in 1986. Illinois was the first state to accept it.

In 1987, Governor Evan Mecham of Arizona, repealed the law. People from all over the U.S. boycott the state. In 1991, the NFL decides to hold the 1993 Super Bowl in Pasadena, California instead of Phoenix Arizona. This change is made because of the boycott of Arizona. In 1992, the boycott of Arizona works and the Arizonians vote to approve MLK Day. The Super Bowl is held in Tempe, in 1996, after the recognition.

All the states, in 1993, recognize the holiday in some form. Some of the states called it by a different name, “Civil Rights Day” or “Robert E. Lee Day”. In some states, it was not a paid state holiday. Finally, in 2000, all the states recognize MLK Day. Utah was the last state to call it MLK Day rather than Human Rights Day. South Carolina becomes the last state to make MLK a paid holiday. Up until this point, South Carolinians could choose to celebrate MLK Day or three Confederate-related holidays.




Ms Harmony, your facts are a little distorted. I was here and lived to tell the tale! Hahaha

Getting the King Holiday had nothing to do with the boycott of Arizona!

And Governor Evan Mecham did not "repeal a law" as I don't think a Governor can do that. He repealed the MLK Paid State Holiday that was signed as an executive order by his predecessor, Governor Bruce Babbit.

Then it came to the voters to decide whether or not to appove a MLK Holiday in 1990. The NFL Committee had already approved Phoenix for Superbowl XXVII said that they would move the game if voters did not approve the holiday. That was the THREAT! So voters got angry and voted the holiday down in 1990.

2 years later, in 1992, it came before the voters again to decide whether or not to approve a paid State MLK Holiday. Now the second time around, the NFL Committee got smart and kept their mouths SHUT, no threats, and the voters approved the Holiday.

I think Arizona may be the only State with a "voter approved" MLK Holiday. And I don't think the issue with the voters of Arizona was ever really about anything racial....it was about being threatened by outsiders like the NFL. That was the sentiment that was flowing throuigh the streets.

Now Governor Mecham, the guy who rescinded the MLK Holiday that his predecessor had initiated, was attacked by the voters and I believe he was a racist. He was the 1st Governor ever impeached in the State of Arizona. So what does that tell you about the people?

Back to my original statement, I think these boycotts are a very bad idea and may end up backfiring on those initiating them.

I also think these boycotts are like sanctions....similar to what we do to Iran. C'mon! Aren't we the UNITED STATES! Do we impose sanctions against our fellow states?

I believe if people are opposed to the law, there is a political process to undo the law. I believe that's called a referrendum. We have a system, people need to understand what it is and use it.





thanx for the information, I do not purport to tell others what they experienced , but to clarify,,,they arent actually 'my facts' they are the facts from the website

and governors can and do often repeal laws,,,,

I was alive then too, and temporarily in Arizona, and I remember that Ohio had MLK day and I was surprised when I arrived in Arizona to find that they did not,,that it had indeed (for whatever reason) been refused.

as to opposing laws, the political process is not the ONLY way to act,,and can sometimes be a very TIME CONSUMING way,,,,in a capitalist country,, money talks ,, money gets things done,,and so does the threat of taking money away