even now you are blaming Satan for your sinning ...he tempted you and then you fell into his temptations ..Adam and Eve felled for this once...so how many times have you felled for it or made the decision to fall for it

Again i never once blamed Satan for my sinning, for i specifically said "Nevertheless it was my own fault for sinning" thus resulting in it being my own fault for the sinning.

if you were willing to take the full blame for sinning then you wouldn't have tried to deflect the blame by including that you fell into the temptations of Satan....technically only Adam and Eve can use that excuse

you had an opporutnity to read the bible and learn all about why Adam and Eve fell from the garden but yet Adam and Eve were not as fortunate as you to have first hand information about Satan or even the knowledge to know what they were doing.....

that you sin is perhaps due to the knowledge granted by Satan ....but wasn't the "Free Will" not to sin granted by God?

A kingdom *is* a kind of government. It order to understand a concept one must frame it correctly. God is not a king either.

Define 'God'.

A god is a magical entity of either unlimited or limited powers that others do not have.

Usually associated with a religious belief.

I would side with CowboyGH on this topic. If God is supposed to be the creator and the father, and Adam & Eve were God's children, doesn't that give God parental obligations. If you have children, and tell them not to play with a certain object, and leave the room, what is the first thing those kids are going to want to play with? An all-knowing, all-powerful being would know this. As CowboyGH has already stated, God knows the future. Furthermore, you can take it even farther back in the story, and say that God created the tempting device, by making Lucifer. Whom, God would have know, would eventually betray him, and become Satan. So telling Adam & Eve not to eat of the tree, is like putting a loaded shotgun in your child's crib.

My take on the whole story is that, if God truly did not want them to eat from The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, then God doesn't believe in Good and Evil, or wright and wrong. Only cause and effect. Knowledge of Good and Evil, is really the major separation human has from the rest of the animal kingdom. When a lion hunts down and kills a gazelle in the jungle, do you think the lion feels remorse for killing? Or that even the gazelle thinks that what is about to happen to it is evil and wrong? More like that if it can escape it will live, if not it dies. Cause and effect.

It is with the same ability to discern right and wrong, that humans have the ability to learn from mistakes (not just their own), progress as society,build tools, and create technology. None of that is doable with-out having a judgment part in your brain.

So if you really believe in the story of "Adam & Eve", and you believe that God really didn't want them to eat of the tree, then you also believe that humans were intended by God, to live as all the other animals on the planet do, in the wild.........But I'm not sure if that might not have been a good thing for the planet, right now.

if a parent has a need to create a child that has to endure pain and suffering they have no choice because they are not Gods...

if a God has a need to create a child that must endure pain and suffering then it does so because it wishes them to have pain and suffering because it is a God

so do the religious believe that causing pain and suffering to a child is a parental obligation?

God loves us and doesn't bring anything painful or suffering upon us ever. God only uplifts us and gives us what we need.

Cowboy...you already inform the forum that you had some type of pain or disability ...so is your pain and suffering God's way of showing you his Love ...and when you have kids it will be your parental obligation to "intentionly" inflict the same pain and suffering upon your children

lol no, you don't know how desperite you look here trying to give God a bad name. God allows Satan power on earth. Satan was trying to give me the outlook on God as you do. Well if there was a God then why did he allow that to happen to me? Satan is allowed to stay just for that, to test us and either make us or break us. Like in my case with my accident, it could have broke me, which would have gave me the mind set of blaming it on God and saying God destroyed my life. Or make me, allowing me to lean on God for comfort and help. And this accident has caused me to grow even closer to God and try even harder allowing me to see just how quick life can be. That's how everything is in life, it's all about how you look at it.

anyone that drowns nearly everyone on the planet and kills the first born do not need me to give them a bad name when such deeds are written in the bible

but anyway you didn't answer the question ...you said that God is like a parent with parental obligations ...so is it a parent's obligation to use their knowledge to create pain and suffering for their children or to use their knowledge to protect them from it

without pain and suffering earth would be like heaven, so there would be no need for earth in the first place. We have to earn our right to be in heaven. Heaven isn't a given, it's gotta be earned, and for someone or something as God to give us the chance to even possibly earn the right to go to heaven is great love to give that offer.

Cowboy.....so one day when you become a parent you will view it as your parental obligation to cause your own children pain and suffering because you have a belief that your children should earn their way into Heaven

No because nothing i could do in any form or other has anything to do with their salvation.

in that case Satan would suggest that you eat from the fruit of the bible, there you will gain the knowledge as to what you as a religious parent can do to place your child on the path to Salvation

(Proverbs 13:24}.. "He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes" and "Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell." ..

which means that if you love your child then it is your religious parental obligation to inflict pain and suffering on them

in religion Love equates to pain

It's just you don't understand what this verse meens. All this is saying is to keep your children disciplined and don't let them run a muck.

Cowboy what's to understand..the passage clearly states how an undiscipline child's soul running amok will be delivered to Hell..

you stated that it was nothing you could do when it comes to your child's Salvation...the bible have provided a way for you to save your child's soul...

so would you ignore God's word and allow your child's soul to be delivered to Hell or would you envoke your parental obligations and give your child pain and suffering ..

exactly what i said, tells us to disipline our children so that they will be well behaved and not run a muck causing trouble and sinning. But regardless it is not up to you or any other person for there salvation. It is your duity as a perent to raise your child in a Godly enviroment, but regardless if that child accepts jesus or not will not be accounted towards you, for it is still there choice. But yes as a perent you are to raise your child in a strict God fearing enviroment. But regardless it is still nevertheless out of your ability to save your child, only that child and Jesus can do as such.

I am not a student of theology. But, I believe that knowledge originates from God, not Satan. God is omnipotent and all-knowing. According to the Bible, Satan is very powerful. However, he is not omnipotent or all-knowing.

In man's early existence in Genesis, man was sinless. He was naked and unashamed. Up until man's fall from grace, Adam was a loyal and obedient servant of God. I think that knowledge and discernment come from God. But, when they are coupled with our "free will", man is almost compelled to sin because we pursue earthly, temporal things--not spiritual things.