...there are some people that enjoy being abused verbally, physically, and otherwise..sometimes involuntarily, but sometimes voluntarily

People get exactly what they deserve in this life.

Roko

I think men who hit women are cowards! Plain and simple punk *** ***** cowards and they disgust me! I have two daughters and if a man ever puts a hand on them i will break a bone in their body! In today's society you see too many men get away with this and it's complete bull crap! If a man ever hit a woman in front of me i would beat them down like the ***** that they are!

when I see a girl I like

I punch her on the arm and run

I don't see hitting is right from either side. First off if some one disrespects you so much that you feel like hitting them you should get the he-l out of the relationship so it should not be and issue. It isn't worth living with someone like that. Definitely is no environment for kids to have to live in.

To say that some women don't beg to get busted is just not recognizeing how badly some women can conduct themselves. My feeling is if a woman strikes someone, or throws something, she has given up her right to hold the privelege of being exempted from having hands laid on her. Even a little woman can do a lot of damage. Even if it is only psycological damage, which should not be discounted, having someone you know and are suppose to be a mate with beat on you is just wrong. Too many fish in the sea for anyone to put up with that garbage.

What makes me really mad is when parents are abusive that they continue to have rights as parents. Sadly I think just as many husbands stay with abusive wives aa the other way around , maybe more, because they fear for the kids.

Meh...I do the old...."Pinch...Poke...You owe me a coke!"

i really believe that violence is wrong. it shouldn't come from a man OR a woman.

however, there are women that take advantage of that. i've seen women ball up their fist and punch a guy square on, being certain that he'd never hit back. it's absolutely wrong, and it'd almost serve her right if he laid her out.

if i ever come at you like that...you'd be silly not to hit back. in fact, i'm counting on you not.

What it boils down to is this, if you're a man in this country: If she yells, nags, throws things at you, threatens you, or hits you, no matter how hard or how often, you must run away like a frightened child, no matter how much time, feelings, and money you have invested in your relationship. You are never allowed to remain and subject yourself to further abuse, and you must never retaliate even once, even in self defense. That's right, thanks to VAWA, Biden, and the current state of the courts, men have no cajones any more. You must run fast and run far at the first sign of trouble, and leave the woman you fell in love with behind. That's the reality of it.

I don't see it as running away but walking out with your dignity and your assets and your future.

It is not that hard to document a chroniclly abusive woman because usually they don't just do it behind closed doors. Judges respond to proof. Talking to friends and family and medical evidence is what it takes to convict a man of abuse and the same is true of a woman.

If you don't want to leave someone who has abused you that is your choice but it doesn't justify laying in a few licks here and there to get your own justice.

Since somewhere in the process you picked her and it is going to be costly to get divorced. A really good reason to take your time about getting into a relationship.

Judges "may" or "may not" respond to proof, there is no guarantee. Cops, lets just stay that their idea of probable cause is whimsical and speculative. Relationships, yes if you are fortunate enough to have just been dating this person, and she has not moved in with you, and it has not been several years, or are married, and/or have kids together, then yes you can easily cut and run with little emotional expense. However when you include those provisions I mentioned, it becomes much more difficult if not impossible to leave that person behind. People have memories and emotions and attachments, it's not as easy as ripping up a contract.

Only in defense and only then when convinced that there is no other option but to immobilize the aggressor

Read more about DV case law as applied to men, and you will see for yourself that even this is no protection from being prosecuted by the state. I'm serious, the way the laws are written now, your only choice is to run away, or face the possibility of prosecution, and all they need is an accusation, and not even necessarily from the "alleged victim."

Fear of legal repercussions won't even come across my mind if I felt that my life was in danger. Hopefully I would be smart enough to know if the person I am with would be a problem.

Well therein, lies the problem, a lot of men wind up in court cases and in jail, because they did not fear the legal ramifications. Laws run this country, emotions and pride do not. A woman can snap at any time, sometimes there is a pattern or a build-up, but sometimes it can be lightning-fast and unexpected. You can know someone intimately for 5, 10, 20 years, and they are capable of doing something rash and unexpected.

yeah, I think ,to be the preferred gender in this culture, there are still some laws that really suck for them.

I'm not trying to mince words here, but what I think you meant is the "protected" gender. Men have no such protection. We are still primitive in our beliefs that men are physically superior to women, yet women are afforded all of the equal rights protections under the law, and only a fool would believe that all men are physically or emotionally superior to women. VAWA has screwed this country over, and there needs to be real soon a fair and equitable human to human justice code when it comes to domestic violence laws. Until then, it is skewed entirely towards the female's favor. It is sad to think that now in 2009, going into 2010 that people's eyes are being opened to this phenomenon that's gone on for centuries.

umm yes 1 time is too many!

I agree that many laws discrimnate against men, but I did mean preferred. If we look at the numbers, who owns the companies, who are the ceos, who has the power, it is still mostly men chosing other men, mostly.

Perhaps you misunderstood me, msharmony, as an equal rights advocate, I favor EQUAL rights, regarding gender, race, religion, and sexual preference. Yes I know that in the realm of economy and politics there is a "glass ceiling." However, in the matter of civil rights and most specifically DV cases, the laws are heavily biased in favor of women, this I cannot accept or condone. It should be equal for both genders. And the longer we cling to these primitive values and beliefs, the slower we will progress in justice and fairness.

In the matter of family law, men do get the short end of the shaft. I agree. We could fix that by fixing the matter of family roles. With much privilege comes much responsibility. When we level out relationships so women have privileges to match their responsibilities, and men have responsibilities to match their privileges,, we will have an easier time fixing the double standards in the courts.

You know i was reading thru this thread and hitting is bad on both sides, but hey a man shouldn't hit a woman period! Even if a woman hit him first, he should just take his lumps like a man and move on. I mean i am for equality and all, but there will never be physical equality between men and women! Sure a big woman may beat up on a small man, but generally a woman poses no threat to a man thats the real issue here. The courts will prosecute a woman for violence but how can a man honestly declare self defense? Self defense means you need to have a threat, how does an average woman pose a threat to an average man. She doesn't pure and simple thats why men cant use self defense as a reason in a court of law. Now if there clearly is no physical advantage on the part of the male then maybe but i think this would be quite rare. So barring that she has a weapon what reasoning does a man have to hit a woman? None, pure and simple and lets face it if you get your *** kicked by a woman chances are your not interested in pressing charges???