i had quite a funny debate at college so i thought i should share it with everyone here
Today i was with my group of friends and were talking about stuff when all of a sudden we were divided into 2 groups the vegetarians and the non-vegetarians i being with the non veg one
i made the point that the animals we eat from the market are created(ie breed on farms) and then consumed it's not like they are hunted and are approaching extinction
The counter argument was that creating (again breeding) a living thing doesn't give us the right to kill it
at this point my friend said that every vegetable is also a living plant at one stage we grow it, kill it and eat it, also it's just easy to say that killing animals is wrong but we kill plant's also each day killing them is just easier to look at and therefore all vegetarians who don’t eat meat because you think killing animals is cruel should know this that every crop also suffers death also they have feeling's also so either starve to death or shut up and let us eat meat if it doesn’t disturb the ecological order

What are your views on this issue?

sorry about the spelling mistake in the topic
can i edit it?

First of all you might want to check your grammar. This whole post appears to be one long sentence, but thats not my point. You know there are other reasons for not eating meat. Who told you that eating meat doesn't disturb the ecoligical order? What about all the deforestation in Brazil due to cattle herding? There are dire consequences for the planet if illegal deforestation associated with the beef and leather industries is not stopped because the Amazon rainforests absorb and hold huge quantities of carbon pollution. Not to mention the levels of Methane gas when cattle are mass produced. Sure, you could argue that the amount of pesticides and fertilizers seeping into our rivers and water supply are at dangerous levels and its true. However you're the one lashing out at us and the real culprits are the mega multi- national corporations that are reaping what we sow.

Ask your self this: Would you be prepared to work in a slaughterhouse and kill the animals you eat?

My point is there is more involved in this topic than you and I listed.

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I can't wait for the game, I was a little lost yesterday wondering what to do

Point 1: If God didn't want us to eat animals, he shouldn't have made them out of meat.

Point 2: Carrots would scream if they could.

Please excuse my point and grammar
i agree with you in fact, everything we do for our comfort causes problems and as you have clearly stated both are equally bad.
Scientists are coming up with ways to improve farming and breeding (or at least i hope!)

but my friends point was that killing 1 type of life form and consuming it and then saying that killing animals is hypocrisy i didn't say i agree in fact i believe it was meant as a joke
so basically what he was trying to say was

for vegetarians

humans> animals> plants

for my friend

humans> animals=plants

I have had similar discussions with people.

The whole: One form of life is greater than another just don't hold water.

Think of it this way. Tommorrow we discover life on a different planet.

If it is bacterialogical....we would be stunned....it is life from another planet.

If it is non ambulatory vegetation....it is still extra-terrestrial life.

If it is green chicks that Captain Kirk used to bang....still...life that God DID NOT CREATE ON EARTH.

One reoccurring mistake civilization makes is assigning importance to life forms according to the cute/cuddly factor.

The basis of all life on Earth was rendered viable and remains viable to this day through massive clouds of algea within the oceans that convert nitrogen to oxygen. Thereby developing atmosphere that can be used/recycled by higher life forms, as well as regulating global temperatures and providing a shielding from solar radiation. Lest we forget, it is the absolute first link in the food chain.


Sure cheetahs are cool. Apples rock. without blue algea none of it would exist. Yet it ain't glamourous enough to even be pitched into any debate. So the hypocrasy thing spreads to everyone.

(I used to be a professional dork for the Museums of Natural History)

Why are some plants protected rain forest and others plants salad?

It's not like you had to go out and gather that salad, it was factory farmed.

I wonder if early mankind made it's animal food choices based on what they say other animals eating.
Like a bear eating a fish, or a mountain lion eating a deer.

Did they decide to eat the same things that the animals they were afraid were eating?

Can you imagine after a lifetime of eating raw meat, the first time someone ate cooked meat?
"Yeah, its ok, I guess, it just doesn't taste the same"

Meat is protein. Without it we wouldn't exist.

90% of all species on this planet are insects

fully one quarter of all the biomass is insects

in one square mile of pasture there are more insects than all the humans on this planet

if we were really concerned about having the least impact on the earth we'd be eating bugs

vegitarians are hipocrites.. lol

^so and meat eaters aren't...

Good points, we have canine, molar, and incisor teeth, which means we eat fruits, vegetables, nuts, meat, etc. I eat my servings of vegetables and fruit a day to stay healthy, but I do lean towards the healthy meat side, meaning I eat probably more meats in a day then vegetbables. I will not go without meat and will not even consider it. In a past job of mine up north I worked in a lab, a lady that worked there with me was a vegetarian and asked if I would ever consider giving up meat, I simply said, "I will give up vegetables and fruit before meat, have you ever considered only eating meat and giving up vegetables?" She quickly withdrew from what she was going to probably initiate as a debate against eating meat.

What is the comparison between human biomass per square mile of land verse the biomass of insects per square mile if we are now comparing mass. An insect has a miniscule biomass compared to a human thus it is evident and clear that their would be 90% more species in any relative area then larger species of animals due to space limitations, competition for resources, etc. It takes less biomass to sustain individual insects too. I would assume that the largest biomass would belong to the kingdom plantae? You should be slightly more clear in explanations as some times facts can be misleading.

you forgot the vegetarians that wear leather, leather furniture, purses, car seats and so on!

To them, we should just kill them, take their skin and leave the dead rotting carcass on the ground

Forget cornflakes..blahhhhhhh
give me sausage and eggs, and a side order of bacon

First of all that is Vegan..those who will not eat or use any animal by products..not vegetarian. There is a difference, a big difference.

I am a vegetarian. I feel and look better from this choice. I use to eat meat, I felt lethargic, and bloated after a steak, or a pork chop..
I eat eggs, I eat cheese, actually really enjoy good cheese. My boys eat meat and I buy it for them. I just choose not to eat it.

Back off the vegetarians, especially if you don't even have your facts correct..vegetarians are people too.

Yes Ladylid.....Vegetarians are people. But then again, so are Cannibals, and the only reason we don't pick on them is due to the fact that they might kill us and eat us.

there's another choice. one could be a fruititarian, which is someone who doesn't kill the plant. they eat the fruit from the plants and that's it. so, tomatoes are okay, but potatoes are not.

a cow can lick my hand, interact with me. broccoli does not.