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the topic was: can anybody prove to me a God...without quoting Scripture or the Bible, So I thought how could I do that without showing the History Book,God's letter to us,Scripture, Thats cool - the 'watchmaker' line of thought is a lot more interesting to me than 'scriptural evidence.' [qoute] So the watchmaker didn't do it for Ya'll, How can you prove the sun will come tomorrow, I can't. Was there a deeper point, here? Do you think that the existence of God is equally likely as the sun coming tomorrow? I only try to show the good our Father has done!!
You address Arcamedees, but I just want to say that I actually enjoyed your post and J's in a way - though I don't believe in God, I take pleasure and inspiration from taking a moment to appreciate the beauty of the natural world - both of your posts served as reminders of this. So are you saying theirs no God or Devil?? hang on before you answer: let me call on someone for Ya, "lets go to the Throne", Father in the name of Jesus Christ we come to you in spirit for understanding of you and your Love, where two are together in your name, Now Arcamedees is going to explain it better for us, so we can be serious and not joking for the one Seeking Truth!! were asking for you to look this way, at the different interpidtations of the Topic of God. Thank you Father in Jesus name Amen: ok Arcamedees how would you explain it, to one who seeks the truth!! we are listen now for sure, tell the truth.
What is it that you are asking Arcamedees to explain? |
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Massagetrade, at this point I'm wanting to know, If ya'll dont know God,Do ya'll know the Devil?? sorry to get off the topic,you see there's proof in ink befor your eyes,for all that eyes to see,because where thiers Good thiers Bad,
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Massagetrade, at this point I'm wanting to know, If ya'll dont know God,Do ya'll know the Devil?? sorry to get off the topic,you see there's proof in ink befor your eyes,for all that eyes to see,because where thiers Good thiers Bad, (smile) I've heard the word 'devil' used in a way that makes sense to me: as a way of talking about negative aspects of our own natures. We are tempted to do think, say, or do things which are not in our own best interest, or the best interest of our family, community, nation, species. I have often heard preachers going on about 'the devil' and how 'the devil' operates, and I think that preacher is using trying to express a 'truth' about human psychology and the human experience. On the other hand, there is 'the devil' as a fallen angel, a single being with independent will, etc etc... I simply have no reason to believe this devil exists. |
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Edited by
BestBeWishing
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Mon 04/19/10 04:13 AM
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Massagetrade, at this point I'm wanting to know, If ya'll dont know God,Do ya'll know the Devil?? sorry to get off the topic,you see there's proof in ink befor your eyes,for all that eyes to see,because where thiers Good thiers Bad, (smile) I've heard the word 'devil' used in a way that makes sense to me: as a way of talking about negative aspects of our own natures. We are tempted to do think, say, or do things which are not in our own best interest, or the best interest of our family, community, nation, species. I have often heard preachers going on about 'the devil' and how 'the devil' operates, and I think that preacher is using trying to express a 'truth' about human psychology and the human experience. On the other hand, there is 'the devil' as a fallen angel, a single being with independent will, etc etc... I simply have no reason to believe this devil exists. LOL Its someone who made the Watch! Its SomeOne Who sets It!!! are how-about this one, "CAN YOU PROVE ME A GOD<>CAN YOU PROVE ME THERE'S NOT" I guess with out going to our history Book the Bible, Gods letter to us, we can have no hope! Salvation,and thats what I believe as a Christain,of those that bared record, just as the books of the wars,books of what happened durning earthqwakes,who sarted the first plane flying,I guess thats all I have is Faith in the word,and because so much of the word has come to pass,we either Do are Dont,Will or Wont, Die are Live. God's got a Seven Thousand year Plan, Six Thousand his give to Satan,In Gods Thousand Years, he will open the Books,and ask Ya'll how did that work for Ya. And Beloved ever knee will see Him Then!!! Because thiers a God! I know it and you should. (Smile) |
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BestBeWishing, Isn't it obvious to you that you already believe in God, and that when you look at the complexity and beauty of the natural world, you have it as a foregone conclusion that it is the way it is because God created it so? That being the case, do you really think you are able to look at the so-called 'evidence' for a creator in an unbiased way? I neither believe nor disbelieve in a creator; there may very well be a kind of creative intelligence responsible for the natural world; but neither beauty nor complexity requires this to be the case. Sure, evidence for God is everywhere when you've already made up your mind that there everything you see is going to be evidence for God. The watchmaker argument is an interesting line of thought, but as a proof, it is a joke. I had assumed, incorrectly it seems, that the watchmaker argument had been dispensed with some 20 or 30 yrs ago, as the ridiculously stupid and ignorant thing it is. Do we really need to go over it again? |
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God is everywhere, in the sun that warms us, in the oxygen that we breathe, in the trees that provide us shade. He is everywhere. so are unicorns....lol |
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Balilelagerish, the Aardvark-Unicorn Prince from planet Xillch is everywhere, in the sun that warms us, in the oxygen that we breathe, in the trees that provide us shade. He is everywhere. Or so I claim. you too, huh? 
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Guess you dont claim a watch as well. just a thought.... for clarity and plain politeness, you may want to quote whomever you are responding to... And seriously, if the watchmaker argument really is yours, or you are new to Earth, I'm pretty sure there are examples on the internet of it being trounced for the silly stupidity it is. |
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I've always said Life was opposites, Man- Women, Day- Night, Up- Down, You- Me, Good-Bad, God- Devil, and it goes on but the topic was: can anybody prove to me a God Then was Quoted: without quoting Scripture or the Bible, So I thought how could I do that without showing the History Book,God's letter to us,Scripture, So the watchmaker didn't do it for Ya'll, How can you prove the sun will come tomorrow,and then you Arcamedees asks am I serious? or this a joke post? Well Sir I am serious, the man would like to know if theirs proof of a God, then I ask you Sir do you believe in The Devil? and if you did? wouldn't you try to show all the bad he's done?? I only try to show the good our Father has done!! without the Written Word. So are you saying theirs no God or Devil?? hang on before you answer: let me call on someone for Ya, "lets go to the Throne", Father in the name of Jesus Christ we come to you in spirit for understanding of you and your Love, where two are together in your name, Now Arcamedees is going to explain it better for us, so we can be serious and not joking for the one Seeking Truth!! were asking for you to look this way, at the different interpidtations of the Topic of God. Thank you Father in Jesus name Amen: ok Arcamedees how would you explain it, to one who seeks the truth!! we are listen now for sure, tell the truth. Oh I've come to right place: Jesus said they hated him they hate you, Who here in this topic of prove me a God, cant show the opposites and then Show me the Devil,What's Bad is of the Devil,, No body here knows ---em,,,Satan???? Sure Ya'll Do!!What's Good is of God!! Then Beloved When you know Satan, you will know God!!!!!!! Psalm 14:1;53:1 Smile!! Gee, I wonder why it is that most "true believers" don't know the difference between "there, their, and they're? Could it be, oh I dunno, lack of education? hmm? The less you know, the more you'll believe. ok, on to your silly questions: The sun won't come tomorrow. As far as I know, the sun has neither a penis or a vagina. Sure I believe in the devil. He's in the details. Sorry, it's really hard for me to take someone like you seriously. Part of my brain rebels at the very idea someone could part forth such childish drivel, seriously, and be an adult. Living in the 21st century. Maybe 500 years ago or so... Why can't more true believers be like MsHarmony? I can respect HER. |
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26 thread pages in and still no proof of God?
Some people just never learn. |
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Edited by
BestBeWishing
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Mon 04/19/10 02:05 PM
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Beloved The Field is the World,The Good seed are the children of the kingdom,but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
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Do you beleave in Opposites
The following ideas: opposites, opposition, and qualities existing with a spectrum of values (with opposite ends) are all essential to how I relate to reality. But do I believe in opposites? I don't think the concept applies. The world is how it is. Electrons exist, protons exists, and they have certain qualities. There is subtlety here between the idea of 'opposites charges - the reality of electrons/protons' and 'opposite charges - a model for understanding the reality of electrons/protons'. its Good or its Bad its God are Devil
LOL Its someone who made the Watch! Its SomeOne Who sets It!!! Umm... what? "CAN YOU PROVE ME A GOD<>CAN YOU PROVE ME THERE'S NOT"
Of course not. Can you prove that His Holiness the Aardvark-Unicorn Prince isn't real? I guess with out going to our history Book the Bible, Gods letter to us, we can have no hope! Salvation,and thats what I believe as a Christain...I guess thats all I have is Faith in the word
Well, I for one am not trying to challenge your faith (despite appearances), nor your personal relationship with your God; I'm just on the look-out for the propagation of wrong ideas (like the watchmaker argument). he will open the Books,and ask Ya'll how did that work for Ya.
That would be awesome! I would just LOVE if a maker-of-universes posed a question directly at me. Pretty cool. I know it and you should. (Smile)
Thank you for your good intentions. |
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Do you beleave in Opposites
The following ideas: opposites, opposition, and qualities existing with a spectrum of values (with opposite ends) are all essential to how I relate to reality. But do I believe in opposites? I don't think the concept applies. The world is how it is. Electrons exist, protons exists, and they have certain qualities. There is subtlety here between the idea of 'opposites charges - the reality of electrons/protons' and 'opposite charges - a model for understanding the reality of electrons/protons'. its Good or its Bad its God are Devil
LOL Its someone who made the Watch! Its SomeOne Who sets It!!! Umm... what? "CAN YOU PROVE ME A GOD<>CAN YOU PROVE ME THERE'S NOT"
Of course not. Can you prove that His Holiness the Aardvark-Unicorn Prince isn't real? I guess with out going to our history Book the Bible, Gods letter to us, we can have no hope! Salvation,and thats what I believe as a Christain...I guess thats all I have is Faith in the word
Well, I for one am not trying to challenge your faith (despite appearances), nor your personal relationship with your God; I'm just on the look-out for the propagation of wrong ideas (like the watchmaker argument). he will open the Books,and ask Ya'll how did that work for Ya.
That would be awesome! I would just LOVE if a maker-of-universes posed a question directly at me. Pretty cool. I know it and you should. (Smile)
Thank you for your good intentions. and it will be Pretty Cool or Hot,"caint forget the opposite" (smile) |
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26 thread pages in and still no proof of God? Some people just never learn. some people are sofa king. We Todd Did.... |
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well - i haven't chimed in on this forum in a long time.
so, here it is. depends on how you define god. for many god is successfully defined as being the totality of the universe - in which case the proof is as obvious as the universe in which we live. if you define god as the creator, then you can play the big bang backwards in your mind until you get a little point of unbelievable energy density. what caused that? we don't know but it was god...and the stuff before that and the stuff before that...
if you define god as the inclination towards good, then it is a little trickier because now you have people's perceptions of good and evil to contend with. but if you can accept that someone has a good tendency somewhere - then it boils down to "i think therefore there is a god". so, in most definitions of god - it just is not too hard to prove god's existence in the abstract sense. but if you are looking for a very exact physical description then you s.o.l. but i've never been looking for an exact physical description. god told me that such a description is "just plain silly". that's pretty much a direct quote.
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I know there is a devil...
I married his sister. |
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asking to prove , in text, there is a God,,,, is like asking to prove, in text, that my daughter just spoke in her sleep
somethings you either must witness or take the word of those who have,,, |
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not at all with the common definitions of god i cite above,
it is really quite easy. not a big deal at all. you don't have to take it on faith. |
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for many god is successfully defined as being the totality of the universe - in which case the proof is as obvious as the universe in which we live. The existence of the universe proves that the universe exists, but it does not validate/prove/justify any of the qualities which are commonly projected onto the 'God-as-universe'. if you define god as the creator, then you can play the big bang backwards in your mind until you get a little point of unbelievable energy density. what caused that? we don't know but it was god...and the stuff before that and the stuff before that... I don't follow your meaning re: "stuff before that". Are you saying God created the universe, and God is also the being that created God? Why can't the universe come into existence on its own? If you insist there is a cause, why stop there, and not insist that this cause also had a cause? And if you follow that line of thought (stuff before that, stuff before that...), how do you choose where to draw the line and declare 'this cause was a God' - maybe our universe was created by an incompetent loser of a multidimensional being, who was in turn created by God? so, in most definitions of god - it just is not too hard to prove god's existence in the abstract sense. I don't see this. I just see tautologies and word play. but if you are looking for a very exact physical description then you s.o.l.
Yes, good luck to those who want a physical description for a hypothetical entity that would transcend time and space.
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asking to prove , in text, there is a God,,,, is like asking to prove, in text, that my daughter just spoke in her sleep somethings you either must witness or take the word of those who have,,, Interesting. Yes, trying to prove things in text poses many problems. Yet, a person talking in their sleep is a potentially verifiable event; the existence of God is not verifiable. Who has witnessed God? What did they witness? People constantly mistake so many things for evidence of a God, including particular emotional states, the kindness of humans, unlikely happenstance events, the beauty of the natural world.... I might take their word that they had this experience, but that hardly demonstrates that God exists. |
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