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Topic: can anybody prove to me a GOD??
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Sun 12/13/09 12:25 PM

I personally don't have a firm believe system in any god or gods. However with that said, I just wanted to throw my two cents in even tho I expect to get bashed over it.

The thing most religious organizations count on is a person's "faith" that a god does exist and has their best interests at heart. To me its always seemed like "god" was more of a feeling then something that needed to be proven. It gives people hope to believe in something greater then themselves. I personally don't believe that there is some benevolent being in the sky showing a personal interest in my life, I don't crave the reassurance that if something good happens in my life it was god who made it happen or shaped events to make it happen. If the idea of a god makes you feel like there may be more then just the life we know then thats wonderful to have faith in something. Its not my job nor anyone elses to prove to you otherwise.

So i guess my answer to the thread question is that It cannot be proven one way or the other if a god exists as long as it exists to the people who believe.

Can't wait to see some of the responses to my two cents lol.


I totally respect your viewpoint and applaud your honesty. I like your concept of God being a feeling. A feeling is a part of our reality and consciousness. We can feel things that are real. For instance, if a person has a stomach ailment, the person may feel pain and discomfort which is very real to him, yet those around him feel no pain. For another similar example, let's say you witness a small piece of space debris hit the earth some miles ahead of you in a less advanced civilization and only you saw it. And let's say that you ran to search for the space debris but couldn't find it. Did the event not happen despite the fact that people have to accept your word to believe the event took place? As we can see feelings do have a play in our reality and it could be that some of us have an innate sense of God while others don't.

As submit the existence of Jesus as proof of God based also on the fact that modern biblical scholars, both secular and non-secular, agree that the person Jesus did exist. Followers eventually wrote down the events taken from oral tradition seen by the witnesses. Many throw out the baby with the bath water because the bible is seen as one cohesive book when, in fact, it is not and has various different authors written by people, many of which have had a different religious persuasion. The old testament is Judaism which Christianity is an off shoot of based on the belief of a God and a coming Savior, but there is a great difference between Christian beliefs and Judaic beliefs.

For the Christian, it need not be true whether God literally created the earth in 6 days based on the fact that the Torah was written by followers of Judaism in a much more primitive time. The Christian, to validate his beliefs, needs only to accept the existence of Jesus and that his words and actions were faithfully recorded. I find good reason to believe these events happened.

The very existence of Christianity gives credence that Jesus existed or one would have to prove without conjecture another reason for Christianity's emergence based solely on facts. If Jesus didn't exist, did his disciple exist? Did Paul exist? It very often appears that that evidence, truth and life are subjective.

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Sun 12/13/09 12:27 PM


"Samgem" "does God exist" is not the topic of the thread...the thread is about providing proof that God does exist ..but since you apparently can't stop using that term then I will address it by using your "who came first" the chicken or the egg concept

which came first ....
someone claiming that God exist
or someone claiming that God doesn't exist

did people just out of the blue just start walking up to people and claiming that God doesn't exist ...or did someone first make a claim that a God does exist

and this is why those that claim existence should provide the proof of that existence instead of using a cop out like "prove that God doesn't exist"




Think about the topic... "can anybody prove to me a God??"

A person doesn't ask for proof of something they already believe, or else the question would be.. "can anybody support my belief in God??"
So, by the phrasing of the question, I think the OP takes a stance that God doesn't exist. Perhaps I'm wrong in my inference, but I doubt it.

funches,
You have claimed "Jesus and I are one" (meaning yourself and Jesus), that statement alone is enough for me to start a debate with you, but why even bother? You obviously have a twisted agenda that only you understand...


Peter_Pan ...why would you have a problem when I say that "Jesus and I are one" .....did Jesus also have a twisted agenda when he claimed that "God and I are one"

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Sun 12/13/09 12:27 PM
Edited by samgem on Sun 12/13/09 12:28 PM

Samgem...it's a cop out because the thread is not about disproving God so why do you insist on harping on that fact...you either have proof that God exist or you don't


For the 8 millionth time, the evidence of Jesus existence. I did not dodge the question or change the subject. I simplified the answer.

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Sun 12/13/09 12:36 PM


Samgem...it's a cop out because the thread is not about disproving God so why do you insist on harping on that fact...you either have proof that God exist or you don't


For the 8 millionth time, the evidence of Jesus existence. I did not dodge the question or change the subject. I simplified the answer.


Samgem...Jesus left no personal scriptures or writing behind and the last guy that claimed to have seen Jesus in his hallucination which means you can't even prove that Jesus exist but yet you use that as proof that God exist.....

Jesus exist this you know
for the bible tells you so

just admit you have no proof beyond faith

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Sun 12/13/09 12:37 PM



"Samgem" "does God exist" is not the topic of the thread...the thread is about providing proof that God does exist ..but since you apparently can't stop using that term then I will address it by using your "who came first" the chicken or the egg concept

which came first ....
someone claiming that God exist
or someone claiming that God doesn't exist

did people just out of the blue just start walking up to people and claiming that God doesn't exist ...or did someone first make a claim that a God does exist

and this is why those that claim existence should provide the proof of that existence instead of using a cop out like "prove that God doesn't exist"




Think about the topic... "can anybody prove to me a God??"

A person doesn't ask for proof of something they already believe, or else the question would be.. "can anybody support my belief in God??"
So, by the phrasing of the question, I think the OP takes a stance that God doesn't exist. Perhaps I'm wrong in my inference, but I doubt it.

funches,
You have claimed "Jesus and I are one" (meaning yourself and Jesus), that statement alone is enough for me to start a debate with you, but why even bother? You obviously have a twisted agenda that only you understand...


Peter_Pan ...why would you have a problem when I say that "Jesus and I are one" .....did Jesus also have a twisted agenda when he claimed that "God and I are one"


Well, one I believe, the other I don't....
You are avoiding the topic, by the phrasing of the question , "can anybody prove to me a God??", what stance is the original poster taking?

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Sun 12/13/09 12:49 PM




"Samgem" "does God exist" is not the topic of the thread...the thread is about providing proof that God does exist ..but since you apparently can't stop using that term then I will address it by using your "who came first" the chicken or the egg concept

which came first ....
someone claiming that God exist
or someone claiming that God doesn't exist

did people just out of the blue just start walking up to people and claiming that God doesn't exist ...or did someone first make a claim that a God does exist

and this is why those that claim existence should provide the proof of that existence instead of using a cop out like "prove that God doesn't exist"




Think about the topic... "can anybody prove to me a God??"

A person doesn't ask for proof of something they already believe, or else the question would be.. "can anybody support my belief in God??"
So, by the phrasing of the question, I think the OP takes a stance that God doesn't exist. Perhaps I'm wrong in my inference, but I doubt it.

funches,
You have claimed "Jesus and I are one" (meaning yourself and Jesus), that statement alone is enough for me to start a debate with you, but why even bother? You obviously have a twisted agenda that only you understand...


Peter_Pan ...why would you have a problem when I say that "Jesus and I are one" .....did Jesus also have a twisted agenda when he claimed that "God and I are one"


Well, one I believe, the other I don't....
You are avoiding the topic, by the phrasing of the question , "can anybody prove to me a God??", what stance is the original poster taking?



just because you choose not to believe doesn't mean that Jesus didn't have a twisted agenda which may explain why he spoke in parables

anyway if you truely want to know the original poster stance then e-mail them ..if not...then prove to him a God

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Sun 12/13/09 12:53 PM





"Samgem" "does God exist" is not the topic of the thread...the thread is about providing proof that God does exist ..but since you apparently can't stop using that term then I will address it by using your "who came first" the chicken or the egg concept

which came first ....
someone claiming that God exist
or someone claiming that God doesn't exist

did people just out of the blue just start walking up to people and claiming that God doesn't exist ...or did someone first make a claim that a God does exist

and this is why those that claim existence should provide the proof of that existence instead of using a cop out like "prove that God doesn't exist"




Think about the topic... "can anybody prove to me a God??"

A person doesn't ask for proof of something they already believe, or else the question would be.. "can anybody support my belief in God??"
So, by the phrasing of the question, I think the OP takes a stance that God doesn't exist. Perhaps I'm wrong in my inference, but I doubt it.

funches,
You have claimed "Jesus and I are one" (meaning yourself and Jesus), that statement alone is enough for me to start a debate with you, but why even bother? You obviously have a twisted agenda that only you understand...


Peter_Pan ...why would you have a problem when I say that "Jesus and I are one" .....did Jesus also have a twisted agenda when he claimed that "God and I are one"


Well, one I believe, the other I don't....
You are avoiding the topic, by the phrasing of the question , "can anybody prove to me a God??", what stance is the original poster taking?



just because you choose not to believe doesn't mean that Jesus didn't have a twisted agenda which may explain why he spoke in parables

anyway if you truely want to know the original poster stance then e-mail them ..if not...then prove to him a God


Come on, I want to see your rebutal, it will be fun watching you try...

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Sun 12/13/09 01:19 PM

Come on, I want to see your rebutal, it will be fun watching you try...


well in that case since you are having a problem conceiving his simple concept.....sure no problem ...my pleasure ...so first let's start with the title of the thread and his opening post


the title of the thread is
"can anyone prove to me a god"


and his opening post stated


without quoting scripture or the bible, ++ I am serious>, ty ted


together it means give proof that god exist but with none of that
"this I know".."for the bible tells me so" stuff

and this was your response


Peter_Pan stated ...Something cannot come from nothing. Someone (or something, however you see it), had to create it.


in which I now ask...just because something exist how is that proof that the god referred to in the bible or any god created it

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Sun 12/13/09 01:23 PM


You are avoiding the topic, by the phrasing of the question , "can anybody prove to me a God??", what stance is the original poster taking?


Well???

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Sun 12/13/09 01:27 PM

Well???



as I stated in a previous post in this thread the religious will resort to everything but the truth when a simple question is posed to them ....if you don't have proof that God exist...then just admit it and claim faith...



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Sun 12/13/09 01:39 PM
Edited by Peter_Pan69 on Sun 12/13/09 01:44 PM


Well???



as I stated in a previous post in this thread the religious will resort to everything but the truth when a simple question is posed to them ....if you don't have proof that God exist...then just admit it and claim faith...






LOL, proof of your own lack of proof, it was really fun watching you run in circles without ever stating anything concrete...


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Edit* I usually don't resort to such tactics, but you have to see the irony of this. :wink:

Edit* Edit* maybe you should look at the "Answer the question with another question" thread, that better suits your thinking.

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Sun 12/13/09 02:01 PM



Well???



as I stated in a previous post in this thread the religious will resort to everything but the truth when a simple question is posed to them ....if you don't have proof that God exist...then just admit it and claim faith...






LOL, proof of your own lack of proof, it was really fun watching you run in circles without ever stating anything concrete...


:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Edit* I usually don't resort to such tactics, but you have to see the irony of this. :wink:

Edit* Edit* maybe you should look at the "Answer the question with another question" thread, that better suits your thinking.


Peter_Pan ....dude you sure do take things personally....I said as long as you don't claim faith as proof that God exist then you're not delusional .....

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Sun 12/13/09 02:13 PM




Well???



as I stated in a previous post in this thread the religious will resort to everything but the truth when a simple question is posed to them ....if you don't have proof that God exist...then just admit it and claim faith...






LOL, proof of your own lack of proof, it was really fun watching you run in circles without ever stating anything concrete...


:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Edit* I usually don't resort to such tactics, but you have to see the irony of this. :wink:

Edit* Edit* maybe you should look at the "Answer the question with another question" thread, that better suits your thinking.


Peter_Pan ....dude you sure do take things personally....I said as long as you don't claim faith as proof that God exist then you're not delusional .....


How am I taking this personally? All I'm doing is using your logic and tactics... If I'm taking it personally, then so are you.
I told you before, what you post shows more about your character than what others post. You made a judgment of me based on how I posted which is just like your posts.

Sit back, read over your past posting history and REALLY think about it...

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Sun 12/13/09 02:18 PM


How am I taking this personally? All I'm doing is using your logic and tactics... If I'm taking it personally, then so are you.
I told you before, what you post shows more about your character than what others post. You made a judgment of me based on how I posted which is just like your posts.

Sit back, read over your past posting history and REALLY think about it...


Peter_Pan...well in that case while you doing whatever you're trying to do can you provide proof beyond the scriptures that God exist

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Sun 12/13/09 02:29 PM
Edited by Peter_Pan69 on Sun 12/13/09 02:30 PM



How am I taking this personally? All I'm doing is using your logic and tactics... If I'm taking it personally, then so are you.
I told you before, what you post shows more about your character than what others post. You made a judgment of me based on how I posted which is just like your posts.

Sit back, read over your past posting history and REALLY think about it...


Peter_Pan...well in that case while you doing whatever you're trying to do can you provide proof beyond the scriptures that God exist


To answer your question, YES!

Now stop avoiding my questions and answer them please.
If you can't, just admit it and go on about your bussiness.
If you don't, don't bother posing another question to me because I'll only respong with ...
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

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Sun 12/13/09 02:35 PM




How am I taking this personally? All I'm doing is using your logic and tactics... If I'm taking it personally, then so are you.
I told you before, what you post shows more about your character than what others post. You made a judgment of me based on how I posted which is just like your posts.

Sit back, read over your past posting history and REALLY think about it...


Peter_Pan...well in that case while you doing whatever you're trying to do can you provide proof beyond the scriptures that God exist


To answer your question, YES!

Now stop avoiding my questions and answer them please.
If you can't, just admit it and go on about your bussiness.
If you don't, don't bother posing another question to me because I'll only respong with ...
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


Peter_Pan ....the thread is not about your personal questions to me,...also you have no proof of God beyond faith...so why disrespect your God and the religion with lies

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Sun 12/13/09 02:40 PM


Peter_Pan ....the thread is not about your personal questions to me,...also you have no proof of God beyond faith...so why disrespect your God and the religion with lies



rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

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Sun 12/13/09 02:56 PM



Peter_Pan ....the thread is not about your personal questions to me,...also you have no proof of God beyond faith...so why disrespect your God and the religion with lies



rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


well I guess expecting a Christian to provide proof that God exist beyond faith and the sci-fi channel is rather funny

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Sun 12/13/09 03:00 PM


well I guess expecting a Christian to provide proof that God exist beyond faith and the sci-fi channel is rather funny


rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

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Sun 12/13/09 06:08 PM



without quoting scripture or the bible, ++ I am serious>, ty ted


Can you prove there's not a God?
:wink: flowerforyou GOOD ONE!



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