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Topic: can anybody prove to me a GOD??
CowboyGH's photo
Sat 12/05/09 08:14 AM



God cannot be proven anymore than the Big Bang. We believe what we believe.


the difference being that nobody in his right mind who is looking at the big bang believes it. no scientists believes anything to be absolutely true. science keeps completely open to any possibilities and is ready to test evidence that is proferred for god, the afterlife, the big bang or any other phenomena. we have evidence that we can test for the big bang and evolution so we continue to test it. the reason we continue to test it after all these years is that we've no reason to believe that it will not fail the next test. but the religious minded believing that god is fact cannot seem to imagine testing this "fact". they have faith in the fact and will not dare test it. their dogma actually forbids such testing or questioning. they must believe or else.

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I disagree... many people believe the big bang. It is taught in schools around the country as evolution. The evolution vs creation debate has been around for a while. Some believe one side , others believe the others. I tend to believe in both,, that God Created us to be able to evolve.


very true, i believe the same. He designed the human body to be able to evolve with it's surroundings. I believe it's quite simple on why he did this, before when there was no heaters for instance, people had to have more body fat so that they could stay warmer. And our skin tans when we get alot of sun, that's adaptation. Because it's adapting to having alot of sun, it tans so we don't sun burn as easy. And so on and so on, there are many different little things that shows evolution in just day to day kind of things. I believe God did this so we wouldn't be limited to what we have and what we are now.

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Sat 12/05/09 08:44 AM
Edited by jrbogie on Sat 12/05/09 08:49 AM



God cannot be proven anymore than the Big Bang. We believe what we believe.


the difference being that nobody in his right mind who is looking at the big bang believes it. no scientists believes anything to be absolutely true. science keeps completely open to any possibilities and is ready to test evidence that is proferred for god, the afterlife, the big bang or any other phenomena. we have evidence that we can test for the big bang and evolution so we continue to test it. the reason we continue to test it after all these years is that we've no reason to believe that it will not fail the next test. but the religious minded believing that god is fact cannot seem to imagine testing this "fact". they have faith in the fact and will not dare test it. their dogma actually forbids such testing or questioning. they must believe or else.

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I disagree... many people believe the big bang. It is taught in schools around the country as evolution. The evolution vs creation debate has been around for a while. Some believe one side , others believe the others. I tend to believe in both,, that God Created us to be able to evolve.



i do agree that we hear often about belief in evolution or the big bang. but such a belief is no more credible than a belief in god. this illustrates just how uninformed you and many faithful as well as many atheists are when it comes to the sciences. the big bang is a theory within the science discipline called "physics" and the subscience of "astrophysics" which theorizes the begining of the observable universe. evolution is a theory of an entirely diferent science discipline known as "biology" in the subscience of "evolutionary biology". it explores one explanation for the ascension of the species. one theory has nothing to do with the other in the least other than that religous faithful such as christians consider both theories to be contrary to genesis or other scripture. if one "believes" in evolution or the big bang then they are simply not very well informed in that particular science discipline be it biology or astrophysics as applies. to suggest that the big bang is taught in schools as evolution is simply absurd. if indeed a science teacher is teaching the big bang as a study of how life on earth has evolved he/she should be fired post haste for gross incompetence.

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Sat 12/05/09 12:57 PM
As kid I remember watching the carl seagn series. It was not until I was an adult that I heard of Steven Hawking.

I want to read more about steven hawking...and his discoveries. I did watch a bio on him. It was amazing how he managed to calculate everything in the universe and how it came to be...up until a certain point...the big bang....and then he has no clue where the "bang" came from.

He concluded it had to come from a source that is not able to be defined or calculated....a higher power perhaps? He said he could not say....he did not know...he just knew that something had to create it.

I'm not religious. Im not fond of religion.

However,I do personally belive in a higher power.


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Sat 12/05/09 02:25 PM

As kid I remember watching the carl seagn series. It was not until I was an adult that I heard of Steven Hawking.

I want to read more about steven hawking...and his discoveries. I did watch a bio on him. It was amazing how he managed to calculate everything in the universe and how it came to be...up until a certain point...the big bang....and then he has no clue where the "bang" came from.

He concluded it had to come from a source that is not able to be defined or calculated....a higher power perhaps? He said he could not say....he did not know...he just knew that something had to create it.

I'm not religious. Im not fond of religion.

However,I do personally belive in a higher power.




yes, hawking, like every theoretical or astro physicist has observed evidence that dates back to a few miliseconds after the big bang. but we've observed no evidence that tells us what occured precisely at the time of the big bang or before. nor do we have any idea whether or not it was the only big bang. do other universes exist? is ours just one of series of infinate universes that keep occuring concurantly? we just don't know yet and may never know. when physicists refer to the univers they are speaking about the observable universe or that universe that we can see from our perspective in it.

i enjoyed sagan even morseso than hawking because carl could speak in a manner that a dufus like me can understand. hankings speaks as though i'm sitting in his lecture at cambridge which of course would never have me. lol.

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Sat 12/05/09 04:10 PM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Sat 12/05/09 04:11 PM
I recommend this to be watched, but you must have a lot of free time on your hand and you must possess the curiosity...and don't believe everything said in it, but take it as another theory.

I'm telling your right now..this is gonna be a rough and very interesting ride.

PART 1) Nassim Haramein at the Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library. 2003. (4 HRS)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6151699791256390335#

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Sat 12/05/09 04:37 PM
I don't understand why we have to prove or disprove anything, everyone has the right to believe or disbelieve as they see fit. Half the problems in the worl might end if people stop trying to prove or disprove religion and worry more about what is really happening in the world at this moment.

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Sat 12/05/09 04:46 PM

I recommend this to be watched, but you must have a lot of free time on your hand and you must possess the curiosity...and don't believe everything said in it, but take it as another theory.

I'm telling your right now..this is gonna be a rough and very interesting ride.

PART 1) Nassim Haramein at the Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library. 2003. (4 HRS)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6151699791256390335#


4 hours? Sounds like just what I was looking for for next weekend. :thumbsup:

Ruth34611's photo
Sat 12/05/09 04:47 PM

I don't understand why we have to prove or disprove anything, everyone has the right to believe or disbelieve as they see fit. Half the problems in the worl might end if people stop trying to prove or disprove religion and worry more about what is really happening in the world at this moment.


I think its good to prove it to yourself so you are comfortable with your own belief system. But, I agree with you. There is no reason to try and prove it to others.

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Sat 12/05/09 04:48 PM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Sat 12/05/09 04:53 PM


I recommend this to be watched, but you must have a lot of free time on your hand and you must possess the curiosity...and don't believe everything said in it, but take it as another theory.

I'm telling your right now..this is gonna be a rough and very interesting ride.

PART 1) Nassim Haramein at the Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library. 2003. (4 HRS)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6151699791256390335#


4 hours? Sounds like just what I was looking for for next weekend. :thumbsup:


It's not 4. It's 8. :smile:

The second part is here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6151699791256390335#docid=-1895475242307393956

It took me a week to watch the whole thing, because i watched about an hour each day, save the last day when I watched 2hrs.

There are some highly controversial material (regarding religions and what they are about) , but everything else, regarding the balance of the universe and that we are living in a fraction system is spot on... Of course...nobody is telling this as a dogma , but I have yet to see someone to be dumber from different ideas and opinions. flowerforyou

I learned a lot and explained me a lot about many things...and me being an open minded person, I like to listen as much opinions and theories as I can.
In any way you look at it ...we live in a world made of theories anyway and theories constantly change based on newly emerging evidences almost every second.
The world becomes a lonely and confusing place for those who stay behind.

Ruth34611's photo
Sat 12/05/09 05:00 PM


It's not 4. It's 8. :smile:

The second part is here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6151699791256390335#docid=-1895475242307393956

It took me a week to watch the whole thing, because i watched about an hour each day, save the last day when I watched 2hrs.

There are some highly controversial material (regarding religions and what they are about) , but everything else, regarding the balance of the universe and that we are living in a fraction system is spot on... Of course...nobody is telling this as a dogma , but I have yet to see someone to be dumber from different ideas and opinions. flowerforyou

I learned a lot and explained me a lot about many things...and me being an open minded person, I like to listen as much opinions and theories as I can.
In any way you look at it ...we live in a world made of theories anyway and theories constantly change based on newly emerging evidences almost every second.
The world becomes a lonely and confusing place for those who stay behind.



Thanks for the link. I look forward to watching it. flowerforyou

wux's photo
Sat 12/05/09 05:59 PM
"can anybody prove to me a GOD??"

I love this question.

It does not make sense.

A man has to walk down many a road and search and leave no stone unturned until he finds a question that is unanswerable because it semantically makes no sense.

Well done, OP.

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Sun 12/06/09 04:59 AM
Edited by jrbogie on Sun 12/06/09 05:04 AM

I don't understand why we have to prove or disprove anything, everyone has the right to believe or disbelieve as they see fit. Half the problems in the worl might end if people stop trying to prove or disprove religion and worry more about what is really happening in the world at this moment.


what is really happening in the world at this moment has a great deal to do with religion. this jihad that we're waring against is but one example. trillions will be spent eradicating these "believers" and tens of thousands of innocent lifes will lost before the job is done. proving or disproving has nothing to do with it for many of us. some simply feel that the world would be a safer place if religion never existed. i see nothing in the least wrong in pointing out the falacy of delusions that have inspired atrocities such as the inquisition, the crusades, the salem witch trials and this jihad that we now have to put up with. the founders made a great start by not allowing our government to recognize the establishment of religion. now we need to do a better job of enforcing that ideal and spread the word. there is nothing good that comes out of religion that cannot come from other organized efforts but alot of bad has been done in the name of god and then excused as god's will.

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Sun 12/06/09 07:16 AM

I don't understand why we have to prove or disprove anything, everyone has the right to believe or disbelieve as they see fit. Half the problems in the worl might end if people stop trying to prove or disprove religion and worry more about what is really happening in the world at this moment.


so instead of trying to prove or disprove religion let's see what's really happenning in the world today....well God told Bush to invade Iraq to fight Islamic militants and I guess the fight will continue until God tell both sides to stop ..

but of course Bush's religious beliefs had nothing to do with God telling him to Invade Iraq ...

but the point is yes people have the right to believe anything they choose as long as they keep it to themselves, but once they allow their beliefs to turn into actions the belief then has the potential to affect others and that is when and why people have the right to try to prove or disprove that particular belief

so I guess the most logical question to ask is do believers actually believe or have faith that it was God that told Bush to invade Iraq

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Sun 12/06/09 08:25 AM
I doubt it,, but that is between Bush and God.

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Sun 12/06/09 08:56 AM

I doubt it,, but that is between Bush and God.


yep...I guess you believe that only God and Bush went to Iraq to fight the Islamic Militants .. no troops or anyone else were involved

also why would you doubt it since it wouldn't be the first time God asked someone to kill

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Sun 12/06/09 09:01 AM
What relationship Bush has with God is between he and God. I doubt it because I cant say for certain that it didn't happen. I believe Gods ways and reasons are not always obvious.

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Sun 12/06/09 09:09 AM

What relationship Bush has with God is between he and God. I doubt it because I cant say for certain that it didn't happen. I believe Gods ways and reasons are not always obvious.


if it was only between him and God then he would have kept it to himself....but once he said that it was God that told him to invade Iraq he at that point in time inform everyone that it was God that helped influence his decision to invade therefore making it everyone's business

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Sun 12/06/09 09:14 AM


What relationship Bush has with God is between he and God. I doubt it because I cant say for certain that it didn't happen. I believe Gods ways and reasons are not always obvious.


if it was only between him and God then he would have kept it to himself....but once he said that it was God that told him to invade Iraq he at that point in time inform everyone that it was God that helped influence his decision to invade therefore making it everyone's business



Because it became everyones business,does not refute that it is between him and god.

Whatever they did or did not discuss, only he and God truly know, although we all have opinions about what we THINK did or didnt happen.

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Sun 12/06/09 09:25 AM


Because it became everyones business, .


and that is my point...once you make it everyone's business...then everyone or anyone has a right to prove or disprove that belief ..

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Sun 12/06/09 09:27 AM



Because it became everyones business, .


and that is my point...once you make it everyone's business...then everyone or anyone has a right to prove or disprove that belief ..



Sure,, God Bless.

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