Topic: THIS IS JUST PLAIN WRONG!!
Dragoness's photo
Fri 11/20/09 09:33 AM



IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD
LABOR.

IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFIN-
ITELY.

IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET SHOT.


IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.


IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM
AGAIN.

IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO A
POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.


IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET;

A JOB

A DRIVERS LICENSE

A SOCIAL SECURITY CARD

WELFARE

FOOD STAMPS

CREDIT CARDS
SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE

FREE EDUCATION

FREE HEALTHCARE

A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON AND.....

IN MANY INSTANTANCES YOU CAN VOTE!


Not true at all.

I wish people would research stuff before they post garbage.




Well I wish people would post facts supporting their claims of garbage. Just blindly saying this is bunk is just as bad as posting fiction. Let's see you're facts, what isn't true?


IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET;

A JOB--possibly true depending on the illegality of employer

A DRIVERS LICENSE--only if they are legally here or commit fraud

A SOCIAL SECURITY CARD--only if they are legally here or commit fraud

WELFARE--not true unless they commit fraud

FOOD STAMPS --not true unless they commit fraud

CREDIT CARDS ???
SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE--not true unless they commit fraud

FREE EDUCATION--only if they are legally here

FREE HEALTHCARE-- they get billed for their health care just like anyone else will.

A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON AND.....

IN MANY INSTANTANCES YOU CAN VOTE!--not true



I worked for the Dept. of Human Services for years and determined who was eligible for all the programs offered. They are not eligible for welfare and foodstamps.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/fsp/applicant_recipients/eligibility.htm#immigrant

http://www.dhhs.state.nh.us/DHHS/DFA/LIBRARY/Fact+Sheet/required-verification.htm

Dragoness's photo
Fri 11/20/09 09:34 AM



Well I wish people would post facts supporting their claims of garbage. Just blindly saying this is bunk is just as bad as posting fiction. Let's see you're facts, what isn't true?


I second that, since I have seen them do every single thing on this list.


Prove that, because I know it is not true.

no photo
Fri 11/20/09 09:41 AM


I worked for the Dept. of Human Services for years and determined who was eligible for all the programs offered. They are not eligible for welfare and foodstamps.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/fsp/applicant_recipients/eligibility.htm#immigrant

http://www.dhhs.state.nh.us/DHHS/DFA/LIBRARY/Fact+Sheet/required-verification.htm



Then explain to me why the mexicans who live next door do, since I know for a FACT that they do, along with a few other crimes. Thank goodness the authorities are finally catching up with these ones. The neighbors got the underground railroad they were running shut down, but now the city is addressing all the other violations. But yeah, have been on food stamps for YEARS, along with a few other programs, and their's is the ONLY kid that has the school bus coming literally to their front door. ALL the other kids have to walk. Found that a bit over the top.

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Fri 11/20/09 09:42 AM




Well I wish people would post facts supporting their claims of garbage. Just blindly saying this is bunk is just as bad as posting fiction. Let's see you're facts, what isn't true?


I second that, since I have seen them do every single thing on this list.


Prove that, because I know it is not true.


I think that in order for you to accept it as proof, you would have to come and see it for yourself. When shall I expect you?

Dragoness's photo
Fri 11/20/09 09:49 AM



I worked for the Dept. of Human Services for years and determined who was eligible for all the programs offered. They are not eligible for welfare and foodstamps.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/fsp/applicant_recipients/eligibility.htm#immigrant

http://www.dhhs.state.nh.us/DHHS/DFA/LIBRARY/Fact+Sheet/required-verification.htm



Then explain to me why the mexicans who live next door do, since I know for a FACT that they do, along with a few other crimes. Thank goodness the authorities are finally catching up with these ones. The neighbors got the underground railroad they were running shut down, but now the city is addressing all the other violations. But yeah, have been on food stamps for YEARS, along with a few other programs, and their's is the ONLY kid that has the school bus coming literally to their front door. ALL the other kids have to walk. Found that a bit over the top.



Prove they get foodstamps.

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Fri 11/20/09 09:59 AM



I worked for the Dept. of Human Services for years and determined who was eligible for all the programs offered. They are not eligible for welfare and foodstamps.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/fsp/applicant_recipients/eligibility.htm#immigrant

http://www.dhhs.state.nh.us/DHHS/DFA/LIBRARY/Fact+Sheet/required-verification.htm



Then explain to me why the mexicans who live next door do, since I know for a FACT that they do, along with a few other crimes. Thank goodness the authorities are finally catching up with these ones. The neighbors got the underground railroad they were running shut down, but now the city is addressing all the other violations. But yeah, have been on food stamps for YEARS, along with a few other programs, and their's is the ONLY kid that has the school bus coming literally to their front door. ALL the other kids have to walk. Found that a bit over the top.


They can do all those things if they have commited a federal felony by obtaining, possessing and using stolen IDs.

If it's not the short bus, ask for a reason from the bus barn. Get it in writing.

Giocamo's photo
Fri 11/20/09 10:01 AM




I worked for the Dept. of Human Services for years and determined who was eligible for all the programs offered. They are not eligible for welfare and foodstamps.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/fsp/applicant_recipients/eligibility.htm#immigrant

http://www.dhhs.state.nh.us/DHHS/DFA/LIBRARY/Fact+Sheet/required-verification.htm



Then explain to me why the mexicans who live next door do, since I know for a FACT that they do, along with a few other crimes. Thank goodness the authorities are finally catching up with these ones. The neighbors got the underground railroad they were running shut down, but now the city is addressing all the other violations. But yeah, have been on food stamps for YEARS, along with a few other programs, and their's is the ONLY kid that has the school bus coming literally to their front door. ALL the other kids have to walk. Found that a bit over the top.



Prove they get foodstamps.


Isn't it getting difficult to come on here day after day after day...defending Barry and his leftist agenda ?...you're a lone wolf...he's done !!...Thomas Jefferson said it best...Tyranny is when the people fear government...Liberty is when the government fears the people...drinker

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Fri 11/20/09 10:13 AM


Isn't it getting difficult to come on here day after day after day...defending Barry and his leftist agenda ?...you're a lone wolf...he's done !!...Thomas Jefferson said it best...Tyranny is when the people fear government...Liberty is when the government fears the people...drinker


And barry has been proving since day one, the only thing he fears is us finding out the truth about him. NO OTHER REASON to spend so much time, energy and money trying to HIDE IT.
If I were him, I would be living in fear, a hell of a lot of it, as daily the hatered toward him increases.

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Fri 11/20/09 10:14 AM



Prove they get foodstamps.

Guess you missed "I think that in order for you to accept it as proof, you would have to come and see it for yourself. When shall I expect you?"

jrbogie's photo
Fri 11/20/09 10:14 AM

Isn't it getting difficult to come on here day after day after day...defending Barry and his leftist agenda


may not be difficult but it is rediculous huh? sounds not unlike the conservative rantings defending dubya and his right wing agenda for eight years. seems all you folks should just save these posts. sooner or later a guy comes around that we approve of. save alot of typing. imagine if we still had the liberal bashing threads we gave clinton. a name change here, an alegation change there. hell we had two bush's. wouldn't even have to change all that many names would we? sure would spend less time on the forums ya think?

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Fri 11/20/09 10:19 AM


Isn't it getting difficult to come on here day after day after day...defending Barry and his leftist agenda


may not be difficult but it is rediculous huh? sounds not unlike the conservative rantings defending dubya and his right wing agenda for eight years. seems all you folks should just save these posts. sooner or later a guy comes around that we approve of. save alot of typing. imagine if we still had the liberal bashing threads we gave clinton. a name change here, an alegation change there. hell we had two bush's. wouldn't even have to change all that many names would we? sure would spend less time on the forums ya think?


True. Never had much nice to say about bush, ok, I never had anything nice to say about bush. But, I was completely amazed that they found someone even worse, and then put him in office. (I sincerely do not believe he won the election, just took a page from George's book and rigged the vote. Never believe the prior election results were legit either. That chad mess, spare me.)

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Fri 11/20/09 10:26 AM
Edited by jrbogie on Fri 11/20/09 10:27 AM



Isn't it getting difficult to come on here day after day after day...defending Barry and his leftist agenda


may not be difficult but it is rediculous huh? sounds not unlike the conservative rantings defending dubya and his right wing agenda for eight years. seems all you folks should just save these posts. sooner or later a guy comes around that we approve of. save alot of typing. imagine if we still had the liberal bashing threads we gave clinton. a name change here, an alegation change there. hell we had two bush's. wouldn't even have to change all that many names would we? sure would spend less time on the forums ya think?


True. Never had much nice to say about bush, ok, I never had anything nice to say about bush. But, I was completely amazed that they found someone even worse, and then put him in office. (I sincerely do not believe he won the election, just took a page from George's book and rigged the vote. Never believe the prior election results were legit either. That chad mess, spare me.)


yep. political bashing on a dating site accomplishes nothing does it? it is a kick to bash bashers who bash who you don't want bashed though huh? as i don't care to see anybody bashed i bash every basher i see do any bashing. great sport but fun is why i'm here. like i say, it is a dating site after all. :banana:

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Fri 11/20/09 10:30 AM





I worked for the Dept. of Human Services for years and determined who was eligible for all the programs offered. They are not eligible for welfare and foodstamps.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/fsp/applicant_recipients/eligibility.htm#immigrant

http://www.dhhs.state.nh.us/DHHS/DFA/LIBRARY/Fact+Sheet/required-verification.htm



Then explain to me why the mexicans who live next door do, since I know for a FACT that they do, along with a few other crimes. Thank goodness the authorities are finally catching up with these ones. The neighbors got the underground railroad they were running shut down, but now the city is addressing all the other violations. But yeah, have been on food stamps for YEARS, along with a few other programs, and their's is the ONLY kid that has the school bus coming literally to their front door. ALL the other kids have to walk. Found that a bit over the top.



Prove they get foodstamps.


Isn't it getting difficult to come on here day after day after day...defending Barry and his leftist agenda ?...you're a lone wolf...he's done !!...Thomas Jefferson said it best...Tyranny is when the people fear government...Liberty is when the government fears the people...drinker



Considering there are more like me and less like you, no I have no problems.

My life is great. Thanks

Dragoness's photo
Fri 11/20/09 10:32 AM





Well I wish people would post facts supporting their claims of garbage. Just blindly saying this is bunk is just as bad as posting fiction. Let's see you're facts, what isn't true?


I second that, since I have seen them do every single thing on this list.


Prove that, because I know it is not true.


I think that in order for you to accept it as proof, you would have to come and see it for yourself. When shall I expect you?


Even if I came there, how can you prove to me they are recieving foodstamps?

People don't have a certain look when they get foodstamps.slaphead

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Fri 11/20/09 10:34 AM
Edited by Giocamo on Fri 11/20/09 10:37 AM






I worked for the Dept. of Human Services for years and determined who was eligible for all the programs offered. They are not eligible for welfare and foodstamps.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/fsp/applicant_recipients/eligibility.htm#immigrant

http://www.dhhs.state.nh.us/DHHS/DFA/LIBRARY/Fact+Sheet/required-verification.htm



Then explain to me why the mexicans who live next door do, since I know for a FACT that they do, along with a few other crimes. Thank goodness the authorities are finally catching up with these ones. The neighbors got the underground railroad they were running shut down, but now the city is addressing all the other violations. But yeah, have been on food stamps for YEARS, along with a few other programs, and their's is the ONLY kid that has the school bus coming literally to their front door. ALL the other kids have to walk. Found that a bit over the top.



Prove they get foodstamps.


Isn't it getting difficult to come on here day after day after day...defending Barry and his leftist agenda ?...you're a lone wolf...he's done !!...Thomas Jefferson said it best...Tyranny is when the people fear government...Liberty is when the government fears the people...drinker



Considering there are more like me and less like you, no I have no problems.

My life is great. Thanks


more like you where ?...surely not in the good old USA...most Americans live their lives as Conservatives...40% call themselves Conservative...20% call themselves Liberal...:smile:

June 15, 2009
“Conservatives” Are Single-Largest Ideological GroupPercentage of “liberals” higher this decade than in early ’90sby Lydia SaadPRINCETON, NJ -- Thus far in 2009, 40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal. This represents a slight increase for conservatism in the U.S. since 2008, returning it to a level last seen in 2004. The 21% calling themselves liberal is in line with findings throughout this decade, but is up from the 1990s.

These annual figures are based on multiple national Gallup surveys conducted each year, in some cases encompassing more than 40,000 interviews. The 2009 data are based on 10 separate surveys conducted from January through May. Thus, the margins of error around each year's figures are quite small, and changes of only two percentage points are statistically significant.

To measure political ideology, Gallup asks Americans to say whether their political views are very conservative, conservative, moderate, liberal, or very liberal. As has been the case each year since 1992, very few Americans define themselves at the extremes of the political spectrum. Just 9% call themselves "very conservative" and 5% "very liberal." The vast majority of self-described liberals and conservatives identify with the unmodified form of their chosen label.

Party-Based Ideology

There is an important distinction in the respective ideological compositions of the Republican and Democratic Parties. While a solid majority of Republicans are on the same page -- 73% call themselves conservative -- Democrats are more of a mixture. The major division among Democrats is between self-defined moderates (40%) and liberals (38%). However, an additional 22% of Democrats consider themselves conservative, much higher than the 3% of Republicans identifying as liberal.

True to their nonpartisan tendencies, close to half of political independents -- 45% -- describe their political views as "moderate." Among the rest, the balance of views is tilted more heavily to the right than to the left: 34% are conservative, while 20% are liberal.

Gallup trends show a slight increase since 2008 in the percentages of all three party groups calling themselves "conservative," which accounts for the three percentage-point increase among the public at large.

Thus far in 2009, Gallup has found an average of 36% of Americans considering themselves Democratic, 28% Republican, and 37% independent. When independents are pressed to say which party they lean toward, 51% of Americans identify as Democrats, 39% as Republicans, and only 9% as pure independents.

Ideological tendencies by leaned party affiliation are very similar to those of straight partisan groups. However, it is worth noting the views of pure independents -- a group usually too small to analyze in individual surveys but potentially important in deciding elections. Exactly half of pure independents describe their views as moderate, 30% say they are conservative, and 17% liberal.

As reported last week on Gallup.com, women are more likely than men to be Democratic in their political orientation. Along the same lines, women are more likely than men to be ideologically "moderate" and "liberal," and less likely to be "conservative."

Still, conservatism outweighs liberalism among both genders.

The pattern is strikingly different on the basis of age, and this could have important political implications in the years ahead. Whereas middle-aged and older Americans lean conservative (vs. liberal) in their politics by at least 2 to 1, adults aged 18 to 29 are just as likely to say their political views are liberal (31%) as to say they are conservative (30%).

Future Gallup analysis will look at the changes in the political ideology of different age cohorts over time, to see whether young adults in the past have started out more liberal than they wound up in their later years.

Bottom Line

Although the terms may mean different things to different people, Americans readily peg themselves, politically, into one of five categories along the conservative-to-liberal spectrum. At present, large minorities describe their views as either moderate or conservative -- with conservatives the larger group -- whereas only about one in five consider themselves liberal.

While these figures have shown little change over the past decade, the nation appears to be slightly more polarized than it was in the early 1990s. Compared with the 1992-1994 period, the percentage of moderates has declined from 42% to 35%, while the percentages of conservatives and liberals are up slightly -- from 38% to 40% for conservatives and a larger 17% to 21% movement for liberals.

Survey Methods

Results are based on aggregated Gallup Poll surveys of approximately 1,000 national adults, aged 18 and older, interviewed by telephone. Sample sizes for the annual compilations range from approximately 10,000 to approximately 40,000. For these results, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±1 percentage point.

In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.
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Fri 11/20/09 10:39 AM



Like International Law requires, we are to be in line with our neighbors in regard to Immigration. Our so-called leaders believe they are above the law.


the US is not compelled to comply with international law. no soveriegn country is. within US jurisdiction the constitution rules other than regards foreign treaty. and treaties can simply be abolshed.


LOL I was referring to obama NOT COMPLYING WITH US LAW.

I just WISH we could enforce the immigration laws of each country against those from it that come here illegally.


it was not your post that i replied to. but as you jumped in, how would it be correct for us to enforce the immigration laws of other countries while it is wrong for our president not to enforce the laws of our own country? not following your logic here. i agree that the president has the duty to enforce our laws. other than his duties as cic that's about the entire job we elected him to do. so now we should violate the rights of a foreign sovereign nation by enforcing their laws because we think our president is not doing his duty? would such not be an act of war?

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Fri 11/20/09 10:40 AM







I worked for the Dept. of Human Services for years and determined who was eligible for all the programs offered. They are not eligible for welfare and foodstamps.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/fsp/applicant_recipients/eligibility.htm#immigrant

http://www.dhhs.state.nh.us/DHHS/DFA/LIBRARY/Fact+Sheet/required-verification.htm



Then explain to me why the mexicans who live next door do, since I know for a FACT that they do, along with a few other crimes. Thank goodness the authorities are finally catching up with these ones. The neighbors got the underground railroad they were running shut down, but now the city is addressing all the other violations. But yeah, have been on food stamps for YEARS, along with a few other programs, and their's is the ONLY kid that has the school bus coming literally to their front door. ALL the other kids have to walk. Found that a bit over the top.



Prove they get foodstamps.


Isn't it getting difficult to come on here day after day after day...defending Barry and his leftist agenda ?...you're a lone wolf...he's done !!...Thomas Jefferson said it best...Tyranny is when the people fear government...Liberty is when the government fears the people...drinker



Considering there are more like me and less like you, no I have no problems.

My life is great. Thanks


more like you where ?...surely not in the good old USA...most Americans live their lives as Conservatives...40% call themselves Conservative...20% call themselves Liberal...:smile:

June 15, 2009
“Conservatives” Are Single-Largest Ideological GroupPercentage of “liberals” higher this decade than in early ’90sby Lydia SaadPRINCETON, NJ -- Thus far in 2009, 40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal. This represents a slight increase for conservatism in the U.S. since 2008, returning it to a level last seen in 2004. The 21% calling themselves liberal is in line with findings throughout this decade, but is up from the 1990s.

These annual figures are based on multiple national Gallup surveys conducted each year, in some cases encompassing more than 40,000 interviews. The 2009 data are based on 10 separate surveys conducted from January through May. Thus, the margins of error around each year's figures are quite small, and changes of only two percentage points are statistically significant.

To measure political ideology, Gallup asks Americans to say whether their political views are very conservative, conservative, moderate, liberal, or very liberal. As has been the case each year since 1992, very few Americans define themselves at the extremes of the political spectrum. Just 9% call themselves "very conservative" and 5% "very liberal." The vast majority of self-described liberals and conservatives identify with the unmodified form of their chosen label.

Party-Based Ideology

There is an important distinction in the respective ideological compositions of the Republican and Democratic Parties. While a solid majority of Republicans are on the same page -- 73% call themselves conservative -- Democrats are more of a mixture. The major division among Democrats is between self-defined moderates (40%) and liberals (38%). However, an additional 22% of Democrats consider themselves conservative, much higher than the 3% of Republicans identifying as liberal.

True to their nonpartisan tendencies, close to half of political independents -- 45% -- describe their political views as "moderate." Among the rest, the balance of views is tilted more heavily to the right than to the left: 34% are conservative, while 20% are liberal.

Gallup trends show a slight increase since 2008 in the percentages of all three party groups calling themselves "conservative," which accounts for the three percentage-point increase among the public at large.

Thus far in 2009, Gallup has found an average of 36% of Americans considering themselves Democratic, 28% Republican, and 37% independent. When independents are pressed to say which party they lean toward, 51% of Americans identify as Democrats, 39% as Republicans, and only 9% as pure independents.

Ideological tendencies by leaned party affiliation are very similar to those of straight partisan groups. However, it is worth noting the views of pure independents -- a group usually too small to analyze in individual surveys but potentially important in deciding elections. Exactly half of pure independents describe their views as moderate, 30% say they are conservative, and 17% liberal.

As reported last week on Gallup.com, women are more likely than men to be Democratic in their political orientation. Along the same lines, women are more likely than men to be ideologically "moderate" and "liberal," and less likely to be "conservative."

Still, conservatism outweighs liberalism among both genders.

The pattern is strikingly different on the basis of age, and this could have important political implications in the years ahead. Whereas middle-aged and older Americans lean conservative (vs. liberal) in their politics by at least 2 to 1, adults aged 18 to 29 are just as likely to say their political views are liberal (31%) as to say they are conservative (30%).

Future Gallup analysis will look at the changes in the political ideology of different age cohorts over time, to see whether young adults in the past have started out more liberal than they wound up in their later years.

Bottom Line

Although the terms may mean different things to different people, Americans readily peg themselves, politically, into one of five categories along the conservative-to-liberal spectrum. At present, large minorities describe their views as either moderate or conservative -- with conservatives the larger group -- whereas only about one in five consider themselves liberal.

While these figures have shown little change over the past decade, the nation appears to be slightly more polarized than it was in the early 1990s. Compared with the 1992-1994 period, the percentage of moderates has declined from 42% to 35%, while the percentages of conservatives and liberals are up slightly -- from 38% to 40% for conservatives and a larger 17% to 21% movement for liberals.

Survey Methods

Results are based on aggregated Gallup Poll surveys of approximately 1,000 national adults, aged 18 and older, interviewed by telephone. Sample sizes for the annual compilations range from approximately 10,000 to approximately 40,000. For these results, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±1 percentage point.

In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.
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I am not a liberal so what are you proving here?slaphead noway

Giocamo's photo
Fri 11/20/09 10:59 AM
I am not a liberal so what are you proving here?.....laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

your actions speak louder then words...your defense of Barry...says otherwise...:smile:

Dragoness's photo
Fri 11/20/09 11:06 AM

I am not a liberal so what are you proving here?.....laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

your actions speak louder then words...your defense of Barry...says otherwise...:smile:


I am still not a liberal so what now???spock


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Fri 11/20/09 01:05 PM
Edited by willing2 on Fri 11/20/09 01:07 PM


I am not a liberal so what are you proving here?.....laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

your actions speak louder then words...your defense of Barry...says otherwise...:smile:


I am still not a liberal so what now???spock



Yer busted. Inconsistancy. Remember this line? When I worked for the government we always knew we would eventually catch them all somehow...lol

In one forum you defend Illegals and their ability to get away with fraud and theft.

In another, you proudly state how when you worked for the Gov., you knew you'd bust 'em all one day or other.

Why is it you condemn one and not the other?