AB, it's not the government that makes money from tabacco products, it
the parmaceutical companies, the doctors, the hospitals, the insurance
companies. How much money is spent by pharmaceutical companies to
enforce / lobby for laws that they want 'ignored' or voted for? They
are one of the lagest monetary suppliers of "for sale votes" within our
legislature. Why, because they sell the products that fight the cause
of major diseases - tobacco. Stop tobacco, stop the disease, and the
pharmeceutical companies have little pay off funds left.

everyone should be given a free HYDROGEN car .QUIT the stupididity of
the arms race and bingo you can doit standing on your heads easy peezy
HOW MUCH MONEY does your nation spend a year to fund the stupidity of
the machines of war and destruction.CORPORATE AUTOCRATES ARE EVIL.

Redy, what does tobacco have to do with an energy policy??

Ok, I read on effects of water vapor as a greenhouse gas. While making
up the majority 36%-70%, water vapor stays close to the surface and
through natural evaporation and condensation only has a lifespan of 2 or
3 days.

Natural evaporation and condensation means it gets absorbed into the
atmosphere. Natural processes don't use magic to make thing disapear.

When you make rock candy you take sugar and melt it in water. The sugar
crystals 'condense' into the water they don't disapear. In order to get
enough into the water to make it crystalize into its 'candy' phase you
must increas the heat to absorb more sugar cystals into the water
(called supersaturation) then when you cool the water down they sugar
crystals reatach and form larger crystals.

Water vapor has the effect of generating more heat the more you put into
a closed system.

All those other gasses are dangerous but not to the warming of the earth
directly they damage the ozone layer which allows more Ultra Violet into
the system. Ultra Violet radiation can cause mutations in RNA and DNA
and can cause cancer.

Ive looked for a price on one of them Hydrogen cars, and I cant find it.
Do you know what it cost, if you do Im interested. I just cant find it!

And then do they make everyone run out and buy a new car now? NO! so who
said they would for a Hydrogen car? I dont see that in this thread
either. Eventually 4 or 10 yrs. you will have to buy a car anyway, and
by then there will be used Hydrogen cars. Until one day natural
attrition will make the gas guzzling air polluting vehicles a thing of
the past!!

Sometimes I wonder, Ill tell you what!!!

Fanta, wasn't it you that said you posted this to try to get some
involved in what political issues were being discussed. I was simply
wonder why tobacco was not being addressed?

No matter, I posted your idea all by itself on another topic. So I wont
bother your energy idea, I'm not worthy. I'm a dyke, love power tools,
I'd be happy to see how a worthy fuel alternative vehicle will work. So
I'll just be content to read and learn.

Thanks to all you intelligent types.

GET RID OF THE WAR MACHINE GIVE EVERYONE GIVE GIVE GIVE EVERYONE YES
GIVE EVERYONE HYDROGEN POWERED CARS MONEY IS UNIMPORTANT IF YOU THINK IT
IS WERE fuked.

I read it again ad and it says that the increased water vapor in turn
leads to an increase in the greenhouse effect and thus a further
increase in temperature; the increase in temperature leads to still
further increase in atmospheric water vapor; and the feedback cycle
continues until equilibrium is reached. Thus water vapor acts as a
positive feedback to the forcing provided by human-released greenhouse
gases such as CO2
equilibrium means it eventually levels out.
water vapor acts as a positive feedback to the forcing, means it
actually increases the effects of global warming created by the other
gasses, which cant be good, but alone water vapor is not that damaging.
The other gasses have a devestating effect on global warming that lasts
for generations, with GWP indexes out the roof!
Its possible Ad that I could be misunderstanding it, but I dont think I
am..



Redy I didnt attack you!! I just couldnt fiqure out where that tobacco
was related!! OOPS!!! Chill hun, I dont care what your sexual prefrence
is.

hmmmmmmm


MAKE companies start making hybrids or fine them?

think theyd just say, screw it we'll make erasers instead of cars.

in a free market society how can you say, like a communist, you must do
this o that for the state, the state knows better than the individuals-
what a slippery slope some of you want to be on.

no thanks

stick to my gas guzzling automobile. turning on all my lights simply
because i can, and lets not fail to mention the 45 minute showers and
why because i can. i like to live my life the way i want to live my
life, if you dont like it well to "F'n" bad, its america and i can do
what i want, oh and by the freaking way i think i deserve it. go write a
self help book talking about how a parent cant raise a kid, it takes a
community or village to do it....crap. all of it.

Fanta the problem with the model is that 'equilibrium' only takes into
account the water vapor that is present in the system (oceans, glaciers,
rivers and lakes). If you add water into the system by 'burning'
hydrogen and oxygen you will change the equation. Equilibrium then
comes at a higher tempreture. At some point the tempreture will become
higher than life can handle at the surface of the planet. Added to this
problem is the effect of increased ultraviolet radiation due to
depletion of the ozone and at the same time less cloud formation because
the comisic radiation is pushed away from the earth by increased solar
wind. This allows more sunlight to enter the system which the water
vapor then traps in the system.

Fanta, I was being funnie

But not about the part of learning. You are all great teachers.
thanks!

Kariz -
I see through the haze - good thought and yet another country heard
from and ignored.

what if we elected him President, Kaszi would you like Americans
then?

Let's see....a tank of water with a line allowing the water to flow into
another tank where the water is broken down (oxygen and hydrogen is
separated)and the o and h is pumped into a fuel cell where they
recombine (hydrogen is burned), producing electricity and water. The
electricity runs my car and the exhaust (water) is routed back to the
tank from whence it came.
Amazing, huh?

Seriously, we could all be driving vichicles powered by alternative
fuels today. It will take years for the transition, however, because if
all or most of us quit buying gasoline tomorrow or year after next....it
would ruin the economy.
Remember, slick Willie said 'it'a the economy, stupid'.

Look on the first page jeb, next year Honda, Chevy, and BMW has one too.
The Chevy has surpassed 300 miles on a full tank!!!
Is thet right? How would you say that?

Heres to Fanta...for all the energy he has used up in this
thread...LOL


how ya doing bud?

AB, I uderstand what you are saying and I will look into it myself. I
would like to think that the engineers have taken this into
consideration. We'll see

Oh, and Hari Kari, shhhhh, go back to sleep..... it's only a dream.

Ill toast to sleep, wine, and anything else you put in the
cup!!!LOL

been along time...I'm drinking an ENERGY drink Fanta