Of course it is...Do any of you that oppose it have a plan/money to send 17 million back?????


It's better to have amnesty and "get them on the books".....

What books are you referring to?

I bet you can figure it out, all by yourself....

That's a good one..

We're not talking about just a couple illegals.
There are approximately 18 to 20 million here. Taking our jobs, it ain't just pickin' produce, and we are paying Social Services for them already.
Many are in gangs and working the cartels.
MS13 and Arian Nation have joined forces and the weaker our economy gets the stronger their numbers grow. There's good money in Illegal activity.

You are funny you must be a republican can twist anything around that does not make it true though. Know your facts. I thank God they are no longer in power.

What a bunch of misinformation!!!

I am being nice here too.

Immigration and Health Care: Legislation on the Table WILL Extend Health Care to Illegal Aliens


By James Edwards, Monday, August 24, 2009, 11:06 AM

Just about the time the Center for Immigration Studies was holding a press briefing at the National Press Club about the immigration and health reform connection, proponents from President Obama on down were denying that illegal aliens would receive taxpayer-funded health care under pending legislation.

I’m here to tell you, as I told the Press Club crowd, the legislation on the table does, honest to goodness, effectively extend coverage to illegal aliens.

Take the premium subsidy in the House bill, H.R. 3200. This lies in the part of the legislation (Division A, Title II) that creates a Health Choices Administration, adds the infamous “public option,” sets up and runs the “exchange” clearinghouse for getting insurance, and controls a graduated premium subsidy program through allocation of “individual affordability credits.”

The subsidy, found in Section 242, will give a voucher to people earning between 133 percent of the official poverty level and 400 percent of that income level (or, up to about $88,000 a year for a family of four).

Legal immigrants certainly qualify under H.R. 3200 for this subsidy. Section 242(a)(1) makes eligible "an individual who is lawfully present in a State in the United States (other than as a nonimmigrant described in a subparagraph (excluding subparagraphs (K), (T), (U), and (V)) of section 101(a)(15) of the Immigration and Nationality Act)."

A political fig leaf purports to keep illegal aliens from receiving the subsidy. Section 246 says, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

However, reading the legislation as a whole, its glaring omission is any requirement to verify someone’s immigration or citizenship status. For instance, H.R. 3200 makes no reference to the verification system in current law that’s used for nearly all government welfare and other public programs. If lawmakers wanted enrolling agents, including bureaucrats at the new Health Choices Administration, to use the Systematic Alienage Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) system, the bill should include a reference and authorize SAVE’s application to this government program.

In other words, the silence of H.R. 3200 regarding SAVE and mandatory verification makes Section 246 just empty words. In fact, the Ways and Means Committee outright voted down an amendment by Rep. Dean Heller to require eligibility verification before qualifying someone to receive a taxpayer subsidy. Also, "lawfully present" covers a lot of ground. Does it include someone here under Temporary Protected Status, for instance? Again, the absence of eligibility verification requirements leaves open a lot of room for waste, fraud, and abuse.

A similar situation of setting up blinders occurs in H.R. 3200’s Medicaid provisions. Division B’s Title VII, Section 1701 expands Medicaid eligibility to those with incomes a third above the federal poverty level. This provision dictates that "the State shall accept without further determination the enrollment under this title of an individual determined by the Commissioner to be a non-traditional Medicaid eligible individual." In other words, the bill prohibits asking any further questions about new Medicaid enrollees.

Rather, the bill section promotes "presumptive eligibility" concerning Medicaid expansion. Read it for yourself, right from Section 1702(a):

(ii) PRESUMPTIVE ELIGIBILITY OPTION- Pursuant to such memorandum, insofar as the memorandum has selected the option described in section 205(e)(3)(B) of the America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, the State shall provide for making medical assistance available during the presumptive eligibility period and shall, upon application of the individual for medical assistance under this title, promptly make a determination (and subsequent redeterminations) of eligibility in the same manner as if the individual had applied directly to the State for such assistance except that the State shall use the income-related information used by the Commissioner and provided to the State under the memorandum in making the presumptive eligibility determination to the maximum extent feasible. (emphasis added)

And, once again, the lack of any provision mentioning or requiring verification, mandatory use of the SAVE system under this part of the bill, or any other accountability requirement opens the process up to signing up illegal aliens for Medicaid.

In the Energy and Commerce Committee, a mandatory verification amendment was voted down when Rep. Nathan Deal offered it. A political figleaf amendment was added by voice vote, but the loopholes and potential for waste, fraud, and abuse remain wide open in the Medicaid provisions.

Whatever you think of health reform, a combination of things makes it certain that illegal aliens will receive government health coverage. The most obvious is the omission — heck, the outright rejection of corrective amendments — of eligibility verification requirements. The other factor is the designed ease of enrolling people in Medicaid, for "affordability credits," and the like.

Bottom line, the health legislation Congress is considering establishes an "enroll now, don’t ask questions later" regime. That’s a recipe for covering more people, but many of whom may not actually qualify. A huge number are almost guaranteed to be illegal aliens or legal immigrants still in their first five years in the country who are supposed to turn to their visa sponsor for financial support. And having more people in a public program translates pretty quickly into higher costs. In this case, we’re talking on the order of tens and hundreds of billions of dollars.

Please read more, where CIS has published my analysis.

DR. JAMES EDWARDS is one of the legislative specialists who represents NumbersUSA daily on Capitol Hill. He is co-author of "The Congressional Politics of Immigration Reform"

Sen. Jon Kyl says Concerns over Health Care to Illegal Aliens are Valid
Monday, August 24, 2009, 11:37 AM


Sen. Jon Kyl
Congressmen Who...

Voted Against Deal Amendment that would Prevent Health Care Benefits to Illegal Aliens
Updated Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:32 PM
July 30, 2009 -- Voted Against Deal Amendment that would Prevent Health Care Benefits to Illegal Aliens
A "Yes" vote for the amendment prevents illegal aliens from receiving benefits under health care reform bill. A "No" vote allows illegal aliens to receive benefits under health care reform bill.
Voted YES Count: 28 Voted NO Count: 29
Shadegg (R-AZ)
Ross (D-AR)
Bono Mack (R-CA)
Radanovich (R-CA)
Stearns (R-FL)
Barrow (D-GA)
Deal (R-GA)
Gingrey (R-GA)
Shimkus (R-IL)
Buyer (R-IN)
Hill (D-IN)
Whitfield (R-KY)
Melancon (D-LA)
Scalise (R-LA)
Rogers (R-MI)
Upton (R-MI)
Blunt (R-MO)
Terry (R-NE)
Myrick (R-NC)
Sullivan (R-OK)
Walden (R-OR)
Murphy (R-PA)
Pitts (R-PA)
Blackburn (R-TN)
Barton (R-TX)
Burgess (R-TX)
Hall (R-TX)
Matheson (D-UT)
Capps (D-CA)
Eshoo (D-CA)
Harman (D-CA)
Matsui (D-CA)
McNerney (D-CA)
Waxman (D-CA)
DeGette (D-CO)
Murphy (D-CT)
Castor (D-FL)
Rush (D-IL)
Schakowsky (D-IL)
Braley (D-IA)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Markey (D-MA)
Dingell (D-MI)
Stupak (D-MI)
Pallone (D-NJ)
Weiner (D-NY)
Butterfield (D-NC)
Space (D-OH)
Sutton (D-OH)
Doyle (D-PA)
Gordon (D-TN)
Gonzalez (D-TX)
Green (D-TX)
Welch (D-VT)
Christensen (D-VI)
Inslee (D-WA)
Baldwin (D-WI)

Deal Amendment ECR_001 Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) said last week that the health care proposals in Congress could cover illegal aliens. In a report published by Roll Call, Sen. Kyl said that Republican attempts to make sure that only eligible individuals receive benefits were defeated by the Democrats.

"It’s a logical question for people to ask," Sen. Kyl said. "In the last couple of bills … there were efforts to ensure that only eligible people would get the benefits … those efforts were defeated by Democrats ... That illegal immigrants get care ... it’s a big burden on hospitals."

Protests over possible health care coverage to illegal aliens have popped up in recent town hall meetings. Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) faced immigration-related questions during his town halls, and protesters in New Hampshire also brought up the issue.

For more on this story, see Roll Call. Also read a blog from James Edwards, Ph.D. that discusses the issue.

I wasn't referring to that. But I do know that.

Read what you wrote, It made no sense as written.. I wasn't talking about the issue just how you said it but never mind, I really don't care anymore.. see ya

Obama is the bomb. No illegal aliens. I don't know what you guys are talking about must be on something.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-3200

here's the link to bill. I have nuttin to say at this time...but reserve the right to spout off at any time in the future

Obama loves you. Now....



kneel before Zod!

I likes being loved

Other countries do medically cover whoever is there. We are just about the only one that does not.

Illegals getting coverage though is not part of any bill we have on the table so far.

I know, it's convincing others that it isn't that's hard.